www.CostaRicaTicas.com

A few quick comments and lets see how short I can keep this.

First what the Phuck is "CONDITIONAL CONSENTUALITY"? Its either consentual or it isn't. Sure, of course, they wouldn't be doing if not for the money. Sure they make tons more doing that than they would at anything else. So what. The point is they have a choice, a choice that plenty of other women in the same position as them make differently. So they wouldn't consent to doing it with us unless we paid them. We wouldn't consent to doing it with them unless they were young and beautiful. Are we taking advantage of their poverty or do they have other choices and are taking advantage of our horniness and lavish spending tendencies (by their standards). People have all sorts of reasons why they do or don't do various things with various people. It is all totally irrelevant as long as everyone has the simple and basic right to say "NO".This girl had that right when she entered that room but she was denied that right when the camera was hidden from her.

Secondly, Dwayne raises some interesting points, which have been discussed many times before, about what is the point? "Gentlemen" or "Not gentlemen", there are too many guys going to the gulch who do not read these words, or even know what CRT is, and are going to act the way they're going to act regardless. That is very true. We can't do anything about the way all those non-CRTers act. What is a little different is that it was one of us that acted that way. The question then becomes shouldn't we at least hold ourselves to a higher standard. I have no illusion that even if we could do this it wouldn't make more than a tiny blip of a difference in the types of behavior that is shown to these women overall.

It would be nie if being a member of CRT meant something positive, ort of like a gold standard. Most of the guys that go down there may never have heard of CRT, but that is not the case with many of the chicas. Unfortunately, at this point what that means to them is mixed bag.

On the positive side, we are known as solid potential repeat customers. In most cases, we are not one of those guys who heard something asbout CR and are checking it out for this year's vacation before moving on to Cacncun with the wife and K*D next year. If the chica does a good job, there is a better than even chance we will see her again, if not on this trip then on the next. Possibly even better than that, if the chica does a good job, there is a good chance we will tell 4000 of our closest friends who also visit CR on a regular basis. This does not apply to the chicas that routinely provide bad service or is actually a a big negative for them, but who cares what that type of chica thinks about us. The better providers see CRT as something that can greatly help their business.

We are also known, FOR THE MOST PART, as guys that try to treat their chicas nicely. Nearly all of us treat them well in the room, as probably do most other guys that come down there, but I'd like to think the percentages are higher for us. Probably more of the non-CRTers are LAL guys who rent their girls by the hour. CRTers have learned the benefits of wining and dining our chicas, bringing them little gifts as opposed to just a cash propina. More on all of this in a moment.

Lets look at some of the negatives. As I said before if the chica provides bad service we provide bad reviews which to some degree can hurt their business. The fact that Dwayne raised about their being so many more non-CRTers than guys like us, just supports the notion that our negative reviews, may help all of us out but do little to hurt them. So why she they care if we write a bad review of their performance and even if they do care why should we care what the bad performers think?

Another negative, from the chicas perspective, is that we provide each other with tips on how to negotiate tougher, refuse the CIEN/HORA rate (which most of them don't realistically expect to get most of the time), how to have backbone when facing a RFM or totally succumbing to the GFFE. Of course this is not helpful to ANY of the chicas whether they are good providers or bad. Well that may cause some resentment towards the CRT label, but that is just too bad. Of course, the girls are all there to make as much money as they can with the least effort. However, I think they also respect a guy more who knows enough to not take crap even if they prefer to find a sucker who will pay top dolar who they don't respect.

Another big negative is that we post pictures. Some of the girls like this if they've agreed to it and it means generating more business. Some don't care. But some don't like it at all. Hopefully, most guys let them know it will be posted and get their approval in advance. I suspect many guys just skirt the issue. The girl knows her picture is being taken but no mention is made about what will be done with it and the guy figuring the girl did not say otherwise and "should have realized what could be done with it", goes and posts it. Many time that assumption turns out correct and the girl if she found out her picture had been posted would have no problem with it. The negative is that there have probably been cases where if the girl had found out she would not have approved. and this is one of the big sources of bad PR for CRT.

Personally, and I'm sure I'll draw a lot of fire on this, I'm with Dwayne in feeling that a clothed or only partially revealing photo is all I need to get the idea of how attractive a chica is and whether I'd want to be with her. That's certainly all I'd get to see if I were trying to locate her in the bar or MP. Where I may go beyond Dwayne is that I think we should do away with all more revealing shots in the VIP gallery. It may not totally eliminate the possibility of getting an unauthorized photo mixed in there but it will minimize it will be a photo that any chica would object ot having in there.

So what's the bottom line. Well the first conclusion is that I'm intellectually incapable of keeping my posts short and sweet. But back on the subject, CRT has both a positive and at times negative reputation. We may not be able to do much about the behavior of the vast majority of guys in the Gulch, but if we are careful we can cultivate a "brand image" of the typical CRTer that might serve us well. If given a choice between a non-CRTer (basically an unknown quantity) or a CTRer (a member of a group known for always treating their chicas well) and if prices paid are equal most chicas will opt for the known quantity or even do so if the price is even a little lower. Unfortunately, CRT has grown to the point that there are many types of guys here and some of whom who do not put much thought or concern into the idea of an informal "gentlemen's code".

I don't think we should out this guy any more than he has already outed himself. We don't need to embarass him to "teach him a lesson". Hopefully he has learned that on his own when he got caught. Hopefully, he understands why what he did was wrong and is truly sorry for what he did and not just for the fact that he got caught. If that is not the case then probably no amount of public embarassment is likely to change that. However, what I think we should consider is formalizing the "Gentlemen's Code" as something explicitly delineated and tacitly agreed to whenever anyone joins this site. The code need teeth. IN THE FUTURE, anyone who has been found to have violated that code should have their membership revoked rather than just relying on peer disapproval.

Anyway, thats my humble opinion.

By the way, thanks Prolijo, for the public support. PMs are nice, but public is the best.

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Chica Chaser

To all those that think that taking images of a chica without her consent is somehow OK:

Chica Chaser's original post here exemplifies how the behavior of one of us can affect the experience of another.

In other words, YOUR actions are potentially affecting MY experience.

That's why, IMHO, I have a right to ask you to stop doing things which screw it up for the rest of us.

And that's aside from the moral/ethical question of whether it's just wrong to do that to somebody. Would you want it done to you?

Tanager

If you really think about these girls, there are a million things going on in their lives that could affect your experience. VT, in comparison to the other things these girls deal with, is definitely a relatively minor thing. We don't even know for sure what was wrong with CC's Chica. She said that she was only in the business for one month (was she lying? can anyone verify this?) so whatever caused her to get in the business could be messing with your experience as well so best not harp on this insinuation that it was purely the VT that messed with CC’s experience. Maybe she was coming down with the flu, maybe her period was due in a day or two, maybe someone in her family is sick, maybe she blah, blah, blah. We really can’t jump to conclusions considering these girls have a lot of problems, many of which they bring upon themselves and many that others put on them.

Would I want it done to me? This along the same lines as “do unto others” and so let’s assume the guy want the VT to simply remember and so purely for his own personal use. I don’t think I’m stretching too much to say that I doubt he would mind any Chica VT him for purely her own viewing pleasure. If he was going to show the V to his friends or post on the internet, he probably would mind so the “do unto others” situation is very fitting.

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No matter the argument, just like in politics, those with their opposing views are going to continue to attempt to find reasons for what they think is right and wrong.

Prolijo - I can tell that you are playing Russian Roulette again with the power supply.

WTF

Yes we need more control on people more Govt also that’s why we go to CR for more big brother its great needs more teeth more code lets bloat it with code. Lots of pages filled with text. And the whole time I thought CRT was a place to share Ideas exchange thoughts & help inform but now we want to use it to make men conform to some standard of our making. Isn't this what the Govt in CR & USA are in charge of & not a CRT issue or concern? Is this delusional or am I just out of it again today ?

I would like to state something from my point of view as we all know by now I am a MONGERER I am not fit to pass judgments on anyone to form these standards because I am a basic male slut. Where do we get off on judging others here? WE ARE NOT HERE TO TELL OTHERS HOW TO BEHAVE are we? We can share advice & ideas & now someone wants to enforce some kind of mongering rigged gentleman standards on some other mongerer. WTF is this real??

Dwayne somebody better throw the breaker on the power supply.

Just some more crazy thoughts of mine.

for what it's worth, not that any of this matters anymore...

I can verify several things.

YES, if you put together the amount of time she has been 'working' it will total to a little over a month when CC was with her (she had started up, quit 'working' for about three weeks and started up again).



Not true. He was openly saying it himself while still in CR that, yes, it was recording and she caught him. Different tune now being sung by him, which is fine. What's funny is that he is only singing that different tune via pm to select people, as he knows that if he puts his NEW version of the story out on the board, he knows that there are SEVERAL members who can easily call bullshit on him, strictly based on the accounts he made while in CR. His other pm's are now resorting to him threatening everyone... as of now there's three people I know whom he has made veiled threats to... God knows how many others are out there that just didn't happen to write me about it... Seems like Superbowl Weekend will have him not scoring with (or secretly videotaping) ANY chias, as he'll be too busy trying to fight everyone he's been threatening...

I may be wrong here, but just read one of CC's posts... the guy in question actually wrote CC to apologize to him, not DENY that it happened... and then, according to CC, insinuated that he has full intent to doing it again in the future... just something to think about for those inclined to believe it never happened. His campaign to give another version of the story really makes no sense to me, as he has nothing really to gain or lose by convincing people it never happened... best thing for him would have been to just let this all die away, as no one has actually put his name out on the public board and made him known... Now with his campaigining and pm'ing, it's only a matter of time til everyone knows his name...

And final point, as I hate it when someone tries to make it seem like the chicas are just blockheaded dolts that know nothing about anything. There was a red light on a camera, and that camera that was not only covered with an article of clothing, but at a perfect elevation and facing directly towards the bed... All videocameras have that red light that turns on when recording which is distinctive and easliy recognizable... I'm no expert here, but I've owned three camcorders/recorders in my life, and that red light on the FRONT of the camera (lens-side) does NOT light up, blink, flash or do ANYTHING when it is recharging... it only turns on when RECORDING... any idiot knows the difference.

This is beating a dead horse, so GREY GHOST be kind and don't state the obvious... this PERSON I've been so respectful enough not to call out has kept the topic alive and well behind the scenes, and now as a result, I am in a vendetta-sort of mood. I do not appreciate private campaigns being made to speak ill of me or to convince people, some of whom I consider friends, of a LIE. Nor do I take threats lightly... Once again, I'm not the only one who's been threatenedby this guy, and though I don't mind it being done to me as he'll be in for an even more unpleasant surprise if he gets cute with me (and let's make this clear, I'm not threatening to reciprocate violence with violence...He gets cute and I call po-po... I continue to enjoy Superbowl weekend with Goodfellaz and my one special honey-bunny, he enjoys quality time with Juancho the Shit-Pusher at the local jail, whom I doubt will charge him 'cien'), but I think that now that he's threatened several other people, Admin should probably consider doing some cleaning and throwing away the trash, now it's at a point where there's someone that has broken the CRT rules (about making threats) with more than one member...


Whatever.

Ruffnutz

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I was also threadened by the person in question, so Ruff is speaking the truth about others being invovled. I am also not concerened, but this violates the spirit of the board.

Psychman

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Not only does all of this violate the spirt of the board, but I killed one thread already, yet is this the only thing we have to talk about.. JEEZ LET IT GO ALREADY!

As far as any threats are concerned, as stated in our codes of conduct any threats or flames towards any board members if forwarded to me will be handled. I would think we would all have better topics to discuss than this. ITS BEEN BEATEN TO DEATH NOW PLEASE LET IT GO!

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Dwayne,

You're right.

Correct me if I'm wrong though but I don't think I ever said that the (attempted) taping incident was entirely responsible for the disappointing session. Actually, I've been assured by another member that she's not really into receiving (nor, I think, giving) oral sex but does enjoy the intercourse. That jives with my experience and the latter act, thankfully, saved what would have otherwise been a total waste of money.

I AM inclined to believe that the incident did cause her to insist, in a pushy way, for the money up front. I've quite a bit of experience with the girls down there - what with four trips, this year, totaling nearly two months - and have a pretty good feel for how a girl is. This girl didn't seem the type that would pull that on me. (Most don't). That got us off to a rocky start I'd say.

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Chica Chaser

I enjoyed reading your post and want to comment on the whole CRT image (with the chicas) thing.

It seems to me that their image of us is not important. What I mean is, sure, I guess some (a lot?) are aware of this board. And if they've read a lot of posts they may have formed a general opinion of us. So what? How are they to know who, among the men they take to bed, are CRTers and who aren't? I certainly don't bring the matter up. (I don't flash my card, which I forgot to pack (Doh!) to them). How many of us do?

Having said that, I think it is good if we hold each other to a higher standard. A Code of Behaviour. Why not? I'd be proud(er) to call myself a member and, in a small way, it would help improve the chica's impression of mongers in general. (Again I don't know how they'd know WHO was a member).

I don't believe such a code is enforceable though. So what if some member posts something; some trip report that just totally disgusts us. We banish him. He makes a new ID (or not). He continues to say, to the chicas, that he's a member and, due to his bad treatment of them, that effects their impression of CRTers. How could we possibly prevent this scenario?

Really though, for me, this board has served (and continues to) the purpose it was set up for... to help readers of it improve their trips to CR.

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Chica Chaser

Admin 1,

Please excuse my ignorance on the matter but, what's with locking threads? Why not let a thread die out of its own accord? Anyone that doesn't wish to read it and post to it need not; anyone that does can. Of course this is your board and you Admins can run it whatever way you please. I just don't get why threads get locked.

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Chica Chaser

Oh MY GOD ARE YOU FOR REAL CC. Flash my card (a piece of plastic) the Shield of Shelter that has got to sweep them off their little chica feet for sure.

TOTAL DELUSIONS MAN!!

Honest.

I own a nice 8mm videocamera (Sony Handicam),, which I haven't used since 2000. Can't see the images anymore, so why bother?

Also, I never threatened anybody. Ruffnuts appears to me to be a serious bad-ass, and I'm not suicidal.

Furthermore, I just want to say....


Oh, never mind. On the advice of my lawyer, I remain silent. Plead the



Fifth.

Okay, now that I'm done being a jackass...

A suggested "Monger-Gentleman's Code of Honor..." whatever has been suggested numerous times. Here's a thread I started last March:

https://costaricaticas.com/phpBB2/viewto ... highlight=

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Does anyone else (besides Zippy) interpret this:



To mean that I would have flashed my card had I not forgotten to pack it?

I don't know, maybe it isn't as clear as I thought it would be, that the mention of forgetting my card was meant as a humorous aside. If I would have flashed my card (had I had it) I would have written "I COULDN'T flash my card..."

I think what I meant was pretty clear. Overall I think I write pretty clearly. I take much care to do so, and it annoys me when I'm accused of being delusional for no good reason. So please, guys, tell me (in a PM if you'd prefer) was this unclear?

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Chica Chaser

The pictures on CRT - they are behind a member ID and password so for those that are nude or whatever too bad for the Chica if she doesn't want her picture displayed. She shouldn't have been so stupid to pose nude even if the guy said he wouldn't post it on the internet.

Unless there are a few guys showing pictures to Chicas, I doubt many Chicas can get into the VIP area. Please let's not argue over how many have seen the pictures, because relative to the number of Putas out there not many have seen the pictures. I don't need the nude pictures, but wonder what difference they make being that not many Chicas see them without the help of a VIP member.

If you are against VT a puta, I can't see how you can justify looking at the pictures considering you haven't a clue if she CONSENTED. You shouldn't subscribe to a double standard though I bet someone will attempt to rationalize this double standard. People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

CC, I'm not sure how a VT incident made her insist on being paid. You agreed to a cien without much negotiation so I'm thinking she thought that you were full of shit (no offense). She wanted that cien, because cien is hard to get usually. To her, an easy cien without much negotiation was probably near unbelievable so she wanted to see it. She was ripped off by 1 guy so maybe that guy promised a cien and didn't pay out? Maybe he paid her, but only 60 so maybe she wasn't completely ripped off? There is so much to guess about here. Maybe she was having a flashback of when her dear uncle was sexually abusing her.... maybe you look like her uncle?

I couldn't find many men that knew about CRT, let alone Chicas. A lot of the putas are from Columbia, Nicaragua, DR and Costa Rica. As poor as Nicaragua and Columbia are, I doubt many of these high school dropouts have been within 100 yards of a computer. The puta from outside of CR revolve in and out of CR, because many of them go back to see their K*ds so again few mongers and puta know about CRT.

I will concede that a lot of us hang out at the SL where there are computers EVERYWHERE so the chicas that hang there know a lot about CRT. Many of them know of CRT and many of them think that CRT is a site full of guys looking for WIVES! The putas that hang in the SL, some of them might have seen some backend pictures on CRT. I'm not sure any members are willing to say that they've allowed any puta to take a look.