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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:24 pm 
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It clearly is, to any culture based around the family unit.


Ethics is not only about the family unit but ordering societies in general.

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The point to remember is that there is nothing inherently wrong with immorality,


No I`m not going to remember that. The notion of immorality in and of itself involves making value judgments. I do find something inherently wrong with the actions of Hitler and Charles Manson. I`m not on the relativist "you`re truth is your truth, my truth is my truth, leave me the Phuck alone" bandwagon... There are universals though prohibitions on prostitution are not among them. For example it was an integral part of some ancient pagan religions. Another example is the absense of many moral tenants related to private property in Native American cultures.

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and obviously the measure of morality changes with each generation.


Sure that exists as the distinction between conservatism and progress. Some generations have valued courage more than compassion and vica versa though both values existed in each.

To touch on the question at hand, do you believe the hookers are less moral than you? :D


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:31 pm 
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Couple that with a woman who has learned the business, and there is no way on gawd's green earth you are going to be able to turn a loose-moraled woman into a high-moraled partner (while you're not there at least).


Wow sounds like a moral judgment to me, so much for something that doesn`t exist... :lol: :P

So what sort of "moraled" person are you when it comes to sex? While we are talking degrees, set up a scale for us... :mrgreen:


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So... moral or not can we agree that looking for love at the HDR is probably not going to work out?

By love I mean the romantic kind, not the 5 min - TLN kind.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:04 am 
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So... moral or not can we agree that looking for love at the HDR is probably not going to work out?


Yep

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Way too deep for me! Just enjoy life. Don't over think it.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 2:59 am 
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Way too deep for me! Just enjoy life. Don't over think it.


Admittedly beyond small doses it`s not a good use of time. These sort of chicken and egg wordplay debates are all over the internet and often involve atheists against theists. There`s no end to it...

I was though compelled to object to any notion that the Johns have some higher moral ground than the hookers. Hogwash. :D


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I don't consider prostitution to be immoral, whether buying or selling. Religious prudes have tried to shame us and feminazis have tried to criminalize us, and I consider THEM to be the immoral scumbags.

I think these girls are capable of "loving" us in a casual sort of way, but if you are expecting some kind of loyal monogamous relationship with them, then you crack me up. :lol:


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Express321 wrote:
BashfulDwarf wrote:
It clearly is, to any culture based around the family unit.


Ethics is not only about the family unit but ordering societies in general.

Morality, not ethics. Very different things. Stay on topic.

BashfulDwarf wrote:
The point to remember is that there is nothing inherently wrong with immorality,


No I`m not going to remember that. The notion of immorality in and of itself involves making value judgments. I do find something inherently wrong with the actions of Hitler and Charles Manson. I`m not on the relativist "you`re truth is your truth, my truth is my truth, leave me the Phuck alone" bandwagon... There are universals though prohibitions on prostitution are not among them. For example it was an integral part of some ancient pagan religions. Another example is the absense of many moral tenants related to private property in Native American cultures.

Why is it when someone has a weak argument to make, they feel the need to go over the top with connections to Nazis?? I suggest you look up the word 'inherent' and then practice reading comprehension before posting silliness.

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and obviously the measure of morality changes with each generation.


Sure that exists as the distinction between conservatism and progress. Some generations have valued courage more than compassion and vica versa though both values existed in each.

ok, and ...

To touch on the question at hand, do you believe the hookers are less moral than you? :D


No, quite the opposite. They are trying to benefit others by their actions, whereas you and I seek only to benefit ourselves. However you are probably capable of spinning that in any way necessary to justify your actions.

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Express321 wrote:
rwelker66 wrote:
Way too deep for me! Just enjoy life. Don't over think it.


Admittedly beyond small doses it`s not a good use of time. These sort of chicken and egg wordplay debates are all over the internet and often involve atheists against theists. There`s no end to it...

I was though compelled to object to any notion that the Johns have some higher moral ground than the hookers. Hogwash. :D

No one suggested it. That came from your own interpretation.

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I don't consider prostitution to be immoral, whether buying or selling. Religious prudes have tried to shame us and feminazis have tried to criminalize us, and I consider THEM to be the immoral scumbags.

I think these girls are capable of "loving" us in a casual sort of way, but if you are expecting some kind of loyal monogamous relationship with them, then you crack me up. :lol:

Matt, would you permit your wife to whore, since it is not immoral? After all, it's just about the money. :mrgreen:

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Express321 wrote:
BashfulDwarf wrote:
Couple that with a woman who has learned the business, and there is no way on gawd's green earth you are going to be able to turn a loose-moraled woman into a high-moraled partner (while you're not there at least).


Wow sounds like a moral judgment to me, so much for something that doesn`t exist... :lol: :P

So what sort of "moraled" person are you when it comes to sex? While we are talking degrees, set up a scale for us... :mrgreen:

Wow! You really got offended, didn't you?

Ok, your hookers are different, and so are you. Calm down. You are a paragon of virtue, and a testament to all that follow you. Good work!

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BashfulDwarf wrote:
Mattyice wrote:
I don't consider prostitution to be immoral, whether buying or selling. Religious prudes have tried to shame us and feminazis have tried to criminalize us, and I consider THEM to be the immoral scumbags.

I think these girls are capable of "loving" us in a casual sort of way, but if you are expecting some kind of loyal monogamous relationship with them, then you crack me up. :lol:

Matt, would you permit your wife to whore, since it is not immoral? After all, it's just about the money. :mrgreen:

My wife? :lol: I'm probadly too cynical for that.

If you are married, obviously there are other considerations, but this does not change my argument that prostitution by itself is morally acceptable.


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Mattyice wrote:
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Mattyice wrote:
I don't consider prostitution to be immoral, whether buying or selling. Religious prudes have tried to shame us and feminazis have tried to criminalize us, and I consider THEM to be the immoral scumbags.

I think these girls are capable of "loving" us in a casual sort of way, but if you are expecting some kind of loyal monogamous relationship with them, then you crack me up. :lol:

Matt, would you permit your wife to whore, since it is not immoral? After all, it's just about the money. :mrgreen:

My wife? :lol: I'm probadly too cynical for that.

If you are married, obviously there are other considerations, but this does not change my argument that prostitution by itself is morally acceptable.

Bud, Stripping for money is not morally acceptable in the USA, but legal. Things morally acceptable are usually not embarrassing to admit to in public. Not too many moms and dads want to say that their daughter strips in order to pay for college. However, current society doesn't really care much anymore.

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Bud, Stripping for money is not morally acceptable in the USA, but legal. Things morally acceptable are usually not embarrassing to admit to in public. Not too many moms and dads want to say that their daughter strips in order to pay for college. However, current society doesn't really care much anymore.

It's only embarrassing because of people that try to shame it and criminalize it, eg social justice warriors. I don't give a goddamn what those people think is moral. They are usually self righteous liars that act like they are helping others but in reality they are trying to force their beliefs onto others for their own benefit. They are what I consider morally repugnant.


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As I said much earlier in this thread the topics of morality, ethics and legality can be debated endlessly and cannot be resolved by a few sentences in a thread.
For me and for most of the CRT clan i think we consciously or unconsciously have decided that mongering is not immoral and that the providers are giving us a necessary service that is equally not immoral.
Anyway what ever we think about it there is no doubt in my mind that it is extremely enjoyable.
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