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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 8:44 pm 
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That pretty much sums it up."but not in a blatant manner"

He had plenty of red flags, but chose to ignore them, getting stopped by ICE in the US, is a big, BIG, BIG warning sign. Getting kicked out Dominican Republic, The US Governments reach is far and wide, particularly with hammer of "foreign aid." Regardless, with the new Trigger Word/Phrase "Human Trafficking" foreign governments don't like the stigma attached with the Human Trafficking.
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I agree and would add that I have practiced in the area of criminal law for more than 20 years and I think the so called confidential source of information supplied to the authorities is from the United States. This evidence probably originated from the stop and confiscation of computers, cameras,usb's ect from Cuba Dave a couple of years ago at the MIA. I have been involved in a number of cases where the FBI raided a business and then did not make an arrest until many months later. My hunch is that the forensic guys combed thru Cuba Dave's shit and did not find anything illegal in terms of US Law. However under this vague CR law he could be prosecuted and the US feds gave the info to the CR guys and he was prosecuted under their law.

Another thing that makes me scratch my head is since when is the name of a person who was arrested confidential? Why the secrecy?

One of the weird things about all of this is that Cuba Dave is being prosecuted for telling the truth about CR , that to a lot of people it is one big whorehouse, their is no allegation that anything in his post or website are a lie or otherwise inaccurate.

The problem with a vague law , such as the one Cuba Dave is being prosecuted under, is that it is subject to a broad interpretation and could be used to prosecute people for a variety of things such as running a website, posting videos, an MP, strip club, ect.... It will be very interesting to see how the persecution of Cuba Dave plays out and if the authorities in CR make any other arrest.


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From what I've heard from those who know Cuba Dave, it appears that he does not have the financial resources to mount much of a defense. It's also unclear (and doubtful) whether the CR government will provide him with any legal counsel to aid in his defense like we do in the US.

The best he can hope for is that a CR attorney wanting to ultimately argue the case at the Sala Court to try to repeal the law may take on his case. Maybe Big John's attorney will quietly step up on behalf of his Del Rey owner/client. I'm not sure who that is, but maybe you guys living in CR can be on the look out to see if that happens. (If Cuba Dave was kicked out of the Del Rey as the rumors say, then Big John may have little interest in intervening on Cuba Dave's behalf.)

Most of the people that I've talked with expect CR to fully prosecute Cuba Dave instead of just booting him from the country. The Ticos that I've talked with are surprised that it has taken the government so long and say the general opinion among the upper class Ticos is that the Gulch needs to be cleaned up. I guess it's easier to clean up the Gulch than it is to clean up their streets. :roll: :roll: It fits their passive-aggressive style of blaming others for their social problems. :P

If this is correct, we might anticipate this mess to continue for quite some time and maybe even get expanded as others get drawn in. If Cuba Dave really lacks the financial resources to defend himself he may find he can make a better deal by providing information and testifying against others. Many feel the govenment sees Cuba Dave as the out front bad actor and who they really want are the folks who established and operated the websites and social media sites. :shock:

My info comes from a few uppercrust Ticos, ex-pats who live and play outside of the Gulch and several respected abogados. I'm just sharing what I've heard, and trying to decipher what it may mean. I have no special insight or personal inside information. Even if I did, it's unlikely it would have much meaning in a place like Costa Rica where rumors rule and facts are irrelevant. :roll:

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http://intensedebate.com/profiles/cubadave/39

This website contains a series of posts, apparently from Cuba Dave. Some of these posts make fascinating and in some cases ironic reading.


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88 weeks ago @ Cubadave in Costa Rica - April 2013 Update for ... · 0 replies · +1 points
Thanks but I have all my content edited, by other people - I have to be careful what is printed so I don\'t cross the line, I\'m just an information site but some might take it different and thats can be a problem.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:08 am 
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Quote: If this is correct, we might anticipate this mess to continue for quite some time and maybe even get expanded as others get drawn in. If Cuba Dave really lacks the financial resources to defend himself he may find he can make a better deal by providing information and testifying against others. :[/quote]

Couldn't help but wonder about the likelihood of this quote myself as I read through the many post from CD haters. Especially from a few expats who apparently live in SJ, who's hands may not exactly be that clean themselves in promoting the PFP scene, ie. maps, top ten list, mp reviews, chica referrals, cell numbers, etc. In their opinion CD may be the biggest scumbag of them all, and they may be right, but this would be of little concern to a CR judge reviewing the cases of lesser scumbags trying to plead their case relative to CD's. Especially from a judge who's likely had a close or distant family member or friend who's daughter got drawn into the scene. At the very least a judge who has surely reviewed many cases of knocked up ticas trying to secure Ch*ld support from deadbeat gringos hiding in the states. Don't get me wrong, this is not my opinion of anyone who has contributed valuable information to this site; only an observation, and I hope I am wrong.

I'm indifferent to CD. Don't know him and have never met him. But if he's anywhere near as unscrupulous as some on this site have portrayed him out to be, and if CD is well aware of their critisism of him in the past, then I would be a little more than concerned and seriously considering re-patriotating soon. Obtaining a larger pool of names to make an example of, rather than being seen as picking on a signal person, is a defenant possibility for the CR gov't. They'll likely want to portray this as a growing epidemic, a cancer, on their rapidly expanding family tourism indusrty, as demonstrated by the expansion of several new airlines servicing CR. An isolated case on one man definately creates a buz on this site and others like it. But a larger case against a group of Americans will certainly make national news here in the States. Picture Geraldo reporting live from HDR or Cocal on Fox News. Or the next episode of Locked Up Abroad (Pura Vida Style). So starting at the top with quite arguably one of the most recognizable names in the biz, a 65 y/o man who has little or no defense, and facing 4 to 8 with not much to lose? Who has already made local Miami news before on the same topic with a another third world country? Who knows at this point where the tentacles of this case will lead and end?


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:55 am 
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Quote: If this is correct, we might anticipate this mess to continue for quite some time and maybe even get expanded as others get drawn in. If Cuba Dave really lacks the financial resources to defend himself he may find he can make a better deal by providing information and testifying against others. :


Couldn't help but wonder about the likelihood of this quote myself as I read through the many post from CD haters. Especially from a few expats who apparently live in SJ, who's hands may not exactly be that clean themselves in promoting the PFP scene, ie. maps, top ten list, mp reviews, chica referrals, cell numbers, etc. In their opinion CD may be the biggest scumbag of them all, and they may be right, but this would be of little concern to a CR judge reviewing the cases of lesser scumbags trying to plead their case relative to CD's. Especially from a judge who's likely had a close or distant family member or friend who's daughter got drawn into the scene. At the very least a judge who has surely reviewed many cases of knocked up ticas trying to secure Ch*ld support from deadbeat gringos hiding in the states. Don't get me wrong, this is not my opinion of anyone who has contributed valuable information to this site; only an observation, and I hope I am wrong.

I'm indifferent to CD. Don't know him and have never met him. But if he's anywhere near as unscrupulous as some on this site have portrayed him out to be, and if CD is well aware of their critisism of him in the past, then I would be a little more than concerned and seriously considering re-patriotating soon. Obtaining a larger pool of names to make an example of, rather than being seen as picking on a signal person, is a defenant possibility for the CR gov't. They'll likely want to portray this as a growing epidemic, a cancer, on their rapidly expanding family tourism indusrty, as demonstrated by the expansion of several new airlines servicing CR. An isolated case on one man definately creates a buz on this site and others like it. But a larger case against a group of Americans will certainly make national news here in the States. Picture Geraldo reporting live from HDR or Cocal on Fox News. Or the next episode of Locked Up Abroad (Pura Vida Style). So starting at the top with quite arguably one of the most recognizable names in the biz, a 65 y/o man who has little or no defense, and facing 4 to 8 with not much to lose? Who has already made local Miami news before on the same topic with a another third world country? Who knows at this point where the tentacles of this case will lead and end?[/quote]

Not entirely out of the realm of possibility GoodTimes. Certainly enough to make one follow the low key approach. which we should all follow, by the way, instead of these incessant brag boards with photos and details.


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Loco Mike wrote:
Flacoduro1 wrote:

That pretty much sums it up."but not in a blatant manner"

He had plenty of red flags, but chose to ignore them, getting stopped by ICE in the US, is a big, BIG, BIG warning sign. Getting kicked out Dominican Republic, The US Governments reach is far and wide, particularly with hammer of "foreign aid." Regardless, with the new Trigger Word/Phrase "Human Trafficking" foreign governments don't like the stigma attached with the Human Trafficking.
Just my dos colons


I agree and would add that I have practiced in the area of criminal law for more than 20 years and I think the so called confidential source of information supplied to the authorities is from the United States. This evidence probably originated from the stop and confiscation of computers, cameras,usb's ect from Cuba Dave a couple of years ago at the MIA. I have been involved in a number of cases where the FBI raided a business and then did not make an arrest until many months later. My hunch is that the forensic guys combed thru Cuba Dave's shit and did not find anything illegal in terms of US Law. However under this vague CR law he could be prosecuted and the US feds gave the info to the CR guys and he was prosecuted under their law.

Another thing that makes me scratch my head is since when is the name of a person who was arrested confidential? Why the secrecy?

One of the weird things about all of this is that Cuba Dave is being prosecuted for telling the truth about CR , that to a lot of people it is one big whorehouse, their is no allegation that anything in his post or website are a lie or otherwise inaccurate.

The problem with a vague law , such as the one Cuba Dave is being prosecuted under, is that it is subject to a broad interpretation and could be used to prosecute people for a variety of things such as running a website, posting videos, an MP, strip club, ect.... It will be very interesting to see how the persecution of Cuba Dave plays out and if the authorities in CR make any other arrest.



Again, CubaDave and him being an upstanding monger or man or otherwise aside, this law is pretty scary shit imho. I'm not an attorney and it seemed pretty damn vague to me as well. That is what is so concerning about it. This was definitely a politically motivated arrest. CD has pissed off the wrong people or they are wanting to send a message to this community as a whole. Not sure what. 4 to 8 YEARS??? WTF??? I saw guys dropping off girlies at Cocal every night outside the parking lot gate while I was in Jaco. I'm guessing Tico pimps and their potential prison sentence aren't quite as stiff as talking about Cocal/Del Rey on the internet? Be interesting to see if someone could dig up the stats on how many pimps were arrested in any given year. I'm guessing the stats don't exist or the arrests don't (or both) :roll: The insanity of it all is quite striking...you got a guy facing 4 to 8 years in a shitty prison for talking about an industry that is completely open and legal under the law???? Makes perfect sense! Well it does when it is a politically motivated arrest.


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Fascinating. The arrest occurred at the departure counter and not at arrivals as the article suggested.

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Quote: Picture Geraldo reporting live from HDR or Cocal on Fox News. ]


If Geraldo goes to the HDR it won't be to report news.


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https://youtu.be/PeaU-eO8WDo

Fascinating. The arrest occurred at the departure counter and not at arrivals as the article suggested.



That is kind of mind boggling, I wonder why they admitted him into the country if they were going to indict/arrest him?


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https://youtu.be/PeaU-eO8WDo

Fascinating. The arrest occurred at the departure counter and not at arrivals as the article suggested.
He probably went to exchange money after arriving. :lol:


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BashfulDwarf wrote:
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https://youtu.be/PeaU-eO8WDo

Fascinating. The arrest occurred at the departure counter and not at arrivals as the article suggested.
He probably went to exchange money after arriving. :lol:


No. He had been in CR for awhile.

Several days before his arrest, a non-CRT friend of mine, a long-time Costa Rican vet, had the "pleasure" of meeting him at one of the local venues. He was sufficiently (negatively) impressed by CD that the encounter was a topic of our conversation when we had breakfast the following day. This was about four or five days prior to CD's arrest.

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From the video, it looks like he was checking in at the Spirit counter when they arrested him.


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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y811Dht1meA

Ironic. Never met CD so I really have no opinion. My gut tells me that this is not good for the mongering scene. I have basically "aged out of mongering", lol, so that I probably will never return. Even so, I worry about all you gentlemen that have been so helpful during my visiting years. Please keep your heads down as this plays out. I believe that this is probably just the beginning and that really, really sucks.

Be safe and private and, for now, live as if everything that you say and do will eventually be before a judge. Expect the worse at this time. Protect yourself and your information at all times. Do not leave a paper track of your comings and goings. Sorry, just in my protective mode as you all are in a country that may just serve you up as an example.

Just my humble opinions. Take care,

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Thought this might be interesting reading regarding CD: http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/cubad ... dy-6394213


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Cuba Dave's arrest at airport:
https://youtu.be/PeaU-eO8WDo

Question: Who is the guy walking with Cuba Dave and the Police? The one wearing the light grey shirt and carrying a briefcase. One might initially think it was his attorney, but it's not likely that his attorney was standing next to him at the airport check-in line. :shock:

The initial press gave the impression that he was arrested coming into Costa Rica. This video makes it appear that he was arrested while trying to leave CR. Does that more indicate that perhaps someone in CR dropped a dime on him instead of the US Govt giving the CR Govt a headsup that CD was coming to CR? This is a bit of a twist to the drama. 8) :roll:

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