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It's a fairly cursory inspection at the DR anyway. Doorman takes the cedula, swipes it without looking, and she's in, kissing all her co-workes as she sashays thru her first pass of the night.

Maybe they're regulars and the guy knows them, but I sit over by those tables alot and can't help but notice. I have no idea what data that swipe gives them. So, trust the house?

To me, it is not that difficult to spot a girl you suspect may be und***ge, especially afer talking with her a little. Take a pass.

18-22ish kind of young for me to have a decent session with anyway. 25 no problem.

I agree, but let's be frank: if she got by the counter check with her id, she'll prolly get by me as well. And, as I've never seen a CR ID, I'm not to sure it'd matter if I saw it anyway.

I think if the girl looks old enough, and the front desk lets her pass, then regardless of her age you're probably not going to get into trouble. By all means check the id yourself, but what if that doesn't catch the issue?
Myself, I don't live like that. I'll be careful where I go. I'll be careful what girls I pull. I'll assume the front desk is doing their job. If all that fails, my worrying about it is only going to ruin the session.

Anyway, I have issued an honest retraction to think you are safe in CR. However, I still felt safe when I was there, and I will continue to feel safe on my next trip. This is one case where I won't be taking my own advice.

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and, a Public Apology to Allexx for hijacking his thread.

I'm sorry bud. Provided the flames are off my ass now, I'll sit down and shut up.

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Amigo ...., I say this in a brothery manner, as one of the few guys here who knows you, albiet briefly, personally....


a big +1

You had a great newbie trip, it's great that you shared and are active on CRT, but "listen and learn" is your watchword here...

PR

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Thank you everyone. MG I'd say is 1000% right - at least, in my book. Wherever you go - CR, Disneyland or a grocery store - you've got to know the risks associated with the trip and what you can do to eliminate/minimize the risks. (you wear a seat belt when you drive, don't you?) I applaud this approach. The risk I am trying to discuss here is a potential 17y.o. who looks like 25. As I learn from your gentlemen responses; this risk cannot be completely eliminated, but we can take certain steps to minimize it.

Thanks again

Now you're starting to understand a little.

Bashful,

You said "there is no guaranteed way to stay safe here". You're absolutely correct!

You said "Do not trust any of the hotels to properly look at identity of the girls, and do not trust the identity if you ask to see it. There is absolutely no way that you can be sure the girl you are pulling is safe". You're absolutely correct!

You said " According to MG, do not trust the MPs to verify the age of workers, and definitely do not trust any independents". You're absolutely correct!

You said "Since there is no way for me to assure the safety of anyone I meet, I either rely on these businesses to provide some measure of protection, or I just don't come to CR at all". You are absolutely correct.
If you are going to put the sole responsibility of the businesses to protect you from partaking in illegal activities, then YES, don't go to to CR at all!

You said "MG, you're advice to 'be careful' is pointless". Ok, that's fine. Throw caution to the wing cowboy. Yee-Haw... Have at it!

You said "When MG says to trust your common sense, what he really means is to trust HIS common sense. And I would trust his, if only I could get at it".
With time comes experience, with experience comes wisdom and with wisdom comes prudence. 'Nuff said!

...and just when I thought you were starting to see the light, you post this:

You said "I think if the girl looks old enough, and the front desk lets her pass, then regardless of her age you're probably not going to get into trouble".

Un-fucking-believable! If you truly believe the above statement that you've written, I really think you need to re-evaluate your future in this hobby.

In a nutshell.... don't trust ANYONE. Trust yourself, trust your own judgment, trust your gut, trust your experience(if you've had any), trust your wingmen. There is no "absolute-without-a-doubt" 100% sure-fire way to be absolutely clear on her age, regardless of what she shows you. And statistically, if a young chica has the true desire to turn a trick, she'll be successful. Maybe not with the 1st gringo she meets, or maybe not with the 5th gringo she meets, but ultimately, if she wants to go fishing, she's going to catch something! But there are many things you can do that will increase the odds of keeping you out of harm's way.

And last but not least....
Understand this - 100% of the responsibility falls on YOU, and 100% of the consequences and/or repercussions for YOUR actions falls on YOU! Yes, the hotels and the MP's and the bars do their best to "monitor" who's coming and going, but they are not fool-proof. And when all the smoke clears - it's all on YOU and the choices that YOU make!

Bashful - you have embarked on a hobby (mongering) that can be incredibly overwhelming with pleasure and satisfaction, and can take you to heights that are sometimes un-imaginable. And many of us have experienced things that most "normal" guys will never experience. But you need to take a step back and realize that this is a very risky hobby. I'm going to say it again for clarity. THIS IS A VERY RISKY HOBBY! Any experienced monger will tell you that we take risks every time we step off the plane, and the risks go much further beyond underaqe chicas. There's an infinite array of circumstances where we are continually taking risks. Accept those risks and empower yourself with knowledge on all the ways to minimize those risks. Short of that, stay home and occasionally go to your local AMP for a rub 'n' tug to ease the pressure!

I hope this helps to clarify my original post on this subject. And if not, I wish you the best.

Respectfully,
Mucho Gusto

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I getcha MG, but by your own breakdown, even with every check in place, the girls could be unsafe, so you suggest just staying home. Is that what you do? Or do you just take the risk?

Don't try to beat me on probability theory: it's my field. There is less chance of getting caught with an unsafe chica after you have performed all due diligence possible, then there is getting struck by lightening on a sunny day (yes, Hyperbole).

The guys that get busted for this shit were obviously either looking for it, or being incredibly stupid.

If I meet a girl and she seems safe, (common sense)
If I talk to her as best I can and she seems safe, (street smarts)
if my hotel cards her and feels she is safe, (hotel check)
I am still NOT guaranteed to be safe!

On this we seem to agree. So, in your vast experience, what is a newbie to do when he finds himself in his room with a chica that he feels is safe, but isn't guaranteed?

Remember what Allexx asked at the top of the thread? How can he be sure she's 18+. The answer is "you can't". But to that I would add that trusting your survival instinct, and the hotel check will get you as close as possible to 'safe' as you can get.

Also, I know you guys keep hammering on about checking their IDs, but do any of you do that? Most of the ones I met use aliases, and I'm sure none of them wants me privy to their real names or addresses.

[edit] Oh, and by safe I am specifically talking about the potential for pulling an under age girl. I am not discussing any other forms un-safe here. I am focusing on the thread topic. [/edit]

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#1.. It is not the hotels job to provide you with information if a girl is und***ge or not, most will check cedulas out of standard practice for you.

But what part of it is YOUR responsibility do you NOT get !!!!


#2.. What in the world would you be doing with a girl in your room unless you were 110% comfortable that she is over legal age ? If you have doubt, Check ID, if she does not have one, RUN.. Cedulas do not have address' on them, real names YES, real pictures YES. If you have doubt about their age, ID's etc. or they refuse to show it to you.. Run Away.. Pretty simple...

I am fully getting the "my responsibility" part. What you guys are missing is that Allexx is asking what techniques he can apply within the " my responsibility" part to reach that 110%.
Answer his question.
My answer is, trust your desire to not go to jail and do everything to make sure you're not crossing the line, and figure that your hotel is doing the same thing so that they don't get shut down.
However, as MG pointed out, you're still not guaranteed that she is legal. The ID may be fake, or she fooled you all. Frankly, I think it's a waste to worry about it after you've done all you can. If it's still an issue to you, then stick to the grandma MPs. While still not guaranteed, the probability is low enough to get your nut off.

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i would HIGHLY recommend refraining from giving advise to ANYONE on this forum. Plenty of veterans around for this. You will be MUCH better off reading and learning for a while..

Did you read the last couple posts ? Time to take a time out and READ !!!! before you post !!!!!


If you have doubt, Check ID, if she does not have one, RUN.. Cedulas do not have address' on them, real names YES, real pictures YES. If you have doubt about their age, ID's etc. or they refuse to show it to you.. Run Away.. Pretty simple...

oh dear ... and as several have said in this thread, the ID is fake or not hers AND YOU DON'T CATCH IT!!!

There is no 110% ... that is a delusion number. Ok, you, from experience, suggest he ask for ID from any chica that might be under 18.
Frankly, the young ones will do anything possible to look OLDER, so I doubt any newbie can properly judge on looks. But you guys are the experts, so I guess that is all that is necessary.

A newbie should use his common sense and street smarts, and card them. That is what this thread boils down to.

Ok by me. But I am curious how many of the vets have ever carded a chica before.

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the sarcasm in your posts is palpable.
if you resent what is being said then thats your issue.
and in answer to your question i have not only carded girls but watched other guys do it. its prudent if you have any doubt.
if you feel like hells bells its all on the up and up than go forward with what works for you.
its a simple probability and severity equation.
being accused of a sex crime is bad enough. having it happen in CR?
the stories a lot of us know are never going to be written on this board.
why is it so hard for you to get that? are you one of those guys that just can't be wrong?

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sarcasm ... a speciality, unfortunately. And I know it rubs many of you the wrong way, so for the past, present and future, I apologize.
I don't resent the words, honestly. But the juvenile way they are thrown out does tick up the sarcastic backshot a bit. I'll work on it.
Remember if you don't share horror stories, then the newbie group doesn't know about the danger. I understand you can't discuss them publicly.
I do have a concern about the advice to a newbie to trust his common sense and street smarts in a foreign country. Frankly mine isn't worth a hill of beans, and I doubt most others are up to the task.
Carding the girls should be a common sense thing, but it seems like an activity that would cause more issues (like scaring off a good catch) that I think a lot of newbies will refrain from doing it.
Remember, I am thinking from the position of a newbie. You guys don't seem to be able to remember what the ignorance is like.
I respect all comers. I do. But I believe this thread really deserves a better sage advice than simply common sense, street smarts, and card them.
Oh, and I am wrong on most occasions. But if I don't press you guys on the hows and whys, then you leave me in the dark.

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You're not going to ask for a cedula all the time. Most of them won't show it regardless of age--not a shock to anyone is it? But if your sniffing around the young stuff and her untouchable age is a bona fide question in your mind, and and she refuses to produce it--even if you let her block the name with her finger, that makes your decision a little easier doesn't it? I don't think that'll be often, rare, in the SL or DR or HLH or the other main hangs. Phuck her, walk away, in 5 minutes you will have forgotten what she looked like.

But if you can't let this real young puss alone and part of your plan is to rely on cedulas, you need to be able to spot a fraudulent card or a legit card that's not hers. Give one of those door checkers $5 on his break and buy him a sandwhich and he'll showl you what to look for. And do a lot of googling about CR cedulas and ages and ages, including the google images results. There is alot of online data out there on CR cedulas that will help you alot. The whole cedula changed in 2011 to some degree. But here, if she is saying she is 18+ but your gut says she's too young, and you are dumb dicked by her, the foto of her new card should be really close to what she looks like now. A 28 year old's maybe not so much, the quality back then of her 1st card was not that good plus and up for renewal. And now the 28 year old is ten years older and probably popped a few K*ds since then. The 18 year old should be very close.

Learn the higher sequence spanish numbers fluenty and how to add or subtract instantly so you can talk age and dates and data on the card.

Best advice is take a pass. Alot of them 18 y.o.'s are "in training", so they listen to everything their trainer/older broads tell them which is hook em, Phuck em, and split within 25 minutes. Most can't speak a lick of english so it's boring as hell and they're scared shitless so you get a half ass blowjob and a mechanical Phuck.

Jeez Gerson .. you just scared the crap out of me. I had one of those sessions ... and now I need a shower, and a really good think.

I feel that one of the issues is that newbies like Allexx and I don't really know the history of what you guys have seen and been through. We desperately want to stay on the clean side of the law. And I am beginning to realize that learning the credula analysis may be a very important skill to have.

Still, backhand comments and chest thumping will never get a point across, at least to me. I suppose I am stubborn that way. Sometimes its hard to understand whether you guys are withholding information on us, or whether it's plainly something that cannot be discussed in the open. I just had a couple of PMs that have given me some food for thought.

Thanks All.

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