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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:39 pm 
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sure. someone who supports our constitution as it was written is a zealot. scary thing is its pretty clear you aren't the only one who feels that way.

:lol: zealot - someone who doesn't know what the 2nd Amendment actually says. ;)

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Now turn your head and cough sir. :?

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I seriously am gonna work on getting a half chub before this treatment.."Sir, is that a pipe bomb"?



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Miamiheller wrote:
LaDiablo wrote:
sure. someone who supports our constitution as it was written is a zealot. scary thing is its pretty clear you aren't the only one who feels that way.

:lol: zealot - someone who doesn't know what the 2nd Amendment actually says. ;)

mh

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The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights that protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights.

all for the mongering addendum :wink:

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:01 am 
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I really liked your comments Srilm, of course that is because I agree with you.

The problem seems to be the failure of TSA agents to use good judgment, common sense and the failure to treat people with human dignity and respect.

Several times I have commented to TSA personnel – something that sounds like – I am sure you embarrassed that you have to comply with policies that are ridicules per se and often just plane absurd. The TSA agent’s job has to be incredibly dull and mind numbing because of its repetitive nature. It has to be degrading to search through people’s dirty chonies.

I believe the reason we had airport screening in the first place was based on h – i – jack – ings which occurred in the 1970s.

Miamiheller, you are probably right, it would probably be jumping from the frying pan into the fire.

If I remember correctly, the GOP was in control of the Congress and the White House on November 19, 2001 when TSA was created. The debate leading up to the creation of TSA was over private security contractors or governmental employees.

I make these statements because they are historical. There is NO intent of starting a political debate so please do not make a political comment about this.

Both the House and Bush wanted the screening to be handled by private contractors; the Senate wanted the screeners to be governmental agents. A significant debate arose over the idea of the unionization of the employees.

The GOP wanted to ensure that if the agents were governmental they could not join a union. Bush wanted to make sure that "that security managers [could] move aggressively to discipline or fire employees who fail to live up to the rigorous new standards."

The GOP was also fearful that the mass of new employees, if unionized, would contribute to and support Democrats of office? There were significant other debates over quality of service noting that private security companies at airports prior to 9 one-one had significant turnover rates averaging 126 percent per year and at one airport reached over 400 percent.

Prior to the new law, contractors also frequently failed to comply with serious regulations such as assigning new employees to critical screening posts without background checks. The criminal activities of the new employees were "astonishing and widespread criminal activities”.

The law (S. 1447) passed the House: 206 Republicans and 200 Democrats voted yes; 9 Republicans and no Democrats voted no; and, two Independents voted yes, no noes.

It was signed by Bush on 11-19-01, and the new Transportation Security Administration (TSA) was established. It was originally under the direction of the Secretary of Transportation. Later it was put into Homeland Security.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:55 am 
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The Little girl question, But how about this, Why would some one who is trying to get a bomb/gun weapon aboard a plane so they can kill every one on the plane or people on the ground, including that little girl have any problems with using that little girl to smuggle the object aboard , she going to die any ways?

Blending in and not standing out is how one gets away with crimes, and what better way to blend in then to be a good parent worried about you baby/little kid--- the guy who blew up the plane over Scotland did not give a dam about soon to be born K*D.

Same way with behavior ID by individual not by group works. The Israelis consider EVERY ONE a possible terrorist, including fat old white guys headed to CR who are wearing shorts and Hawaiian shirts. AND the inspectors are not allowed any mistakes for any reason, and are tested consistently. with Failure of any test results in being FIRED. That why their way works, But that takes well trained and Well Paid people. Now does any one here want to pay more for there plane ticket ( increased security fee or what ever they call it)to get top of the line people.

For us old guys here, remember the day when cops were paid almost nothing, sort of like CR, and who did they hire, people with need for power, dummies who thought they were saving the world , goons/bullies who jut like to beat people,and going to bust every one and those people with ingrained hated for some group, basically the last people you want as cops

Hell we do not even want to pay the taxes to buy bullets for our armies fighting wars, Yea they got bad people in TSA and MORE importantly they got bad supervisor's more worried about the EMPIRE they created for themselves in their little world in some airport some where. And having good employees can be a threat to that empire, better to have people who just follow rules and orders with no ability to comprehend how little things can affect how people perceive what you are doing, cause you can blame them for any problem and the supervisor is off the hook.

At MSP after talking to the TSA there are two groups, one are Cops who moved from other cop jobs to TSA and other's. The Ex-cops are good and they pleasant to deal with. Since I set off the alarms from 20 feet away ( on exaggeration) and know the drill as well as they do, I have a nice experience. Cooperation and a smile goes a long way.

So every one WELCOME to my world at the airport. Would you guys feel any better if they use that really cute 21 year old with the big chest to pat you down fingers in, like at MDE, its worth going back through the line a few extra times- dam where was she the night before!!!

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The problem with profiling is that these Muslim cocksuckers are now actively recruiting white boys from the suburbs to join them. I saw a piece a few weeks ago about how Muslim extremist websites (in English) are recruiting Americans. You know the K*ds who aren't popular in school, loner types, have no friends, spend their time locked in their parent's basements. These K*ds are just looking to be part of a group and be accepted, some are messed up enough to get hooked.



Profiling looks at behavior as well as other factors such as whether you appear nervous and displaying other characteristics that would make you appear suspect, regardless of ethnicity.

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Already high risk for skin cancer and had enough damn radiation so there's no effin' way I'm getting in that microwave! http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80bea ... ray-scans/

Charlotte, N.C. flight attendant and cancer survivor forced to show her prosthetic breast during TSA pat-down http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40278427/ns/travel-news


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 1:16 pm 
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Forget the 'porn machines'
By MICHAEL J. TOTTEN
Last Updated: 4:40 AM, November 19, 2010
Posted: 10:05 PM, November 18, 2010
Air travelers in the United States are now given two options at the security gate -- be groin-groped by gloved Transportation Security Administration agents, or photographed "naked" in the back-scatter X-ray device that Jeffrey Goldberg at The Atlantic calls "the porn machine."

You can thank failed "underwear bomber" Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab for this one. While armies tragically tend to fight the last war, the TSA looks for the item the most recent terrorist used.

After 9/11, everything sharp -- even tweezers -- was banned. Ever since Richard Reid tried and failed to light his loafers on fire, security agents have forced us to take off our shoes. British authorities rounded up terrorists who planned to bring liquid explosives on board, and we've all been prohibited from carrying shampoo through the gate ever since.

Terrorists have yet to use the same weapon twice, and the TSA isn't even looking for whatever they'll try to use next. I can think of all sorts of things a person could use to wreak havoc on a plane that aren't banned. Security officials should pay less attention to objects, and more attention to people.

The Israelis do. They are, out of dreadful necessity, the world's foremost experts in counterterrorism. And they couldn't care less about what your grandmother brings on a plane. Instead, officials at Ben Gurion International Airport interview everyone in line before they're even allowed to check in.

And Israeli officials profile. They don't profile racially, but they profile. Israeli Arabs breeze through rather quickly, but thanks to the dozens of dubious-looking stamps in my passport -- almost half are from Lebanon and Iraq -- I get pulled off to the side for more questioning every time. And I'm a white, nominally Christian American.

If they pull you aside, you had better tell them the truth. They'll ask you so many wildly unpredictable questions so quickly, you couldn't possibly invent a fake story and keep it all straight. Don't even try. They're highly trained and experienced, and they catch everyone who tries to pull something over on them.

Because I fit one of their profiles, it takes me 15 or 20 minutes longer to get through the first wave of security than it does for most people. The agents make up for it, though, by escorting me to the front of the line at the metal detector. They don't put anyone into a "porn machine." There's no point. Terrorists can't penetrate that deeply into the airport.

The Israeli experience isn't pleasant, exactly, and there's a lot not to like about it. It can be exasperating for those of us who are interrogated more thoroughly.

The system has its advantages, though, aside from the fact that no one looks or reaches into anyone's pants. Israelis don't use security theater to make passengers feel like they're safe. They use real security measures to ensure that travelers actually are safe. Even when suicide bombers exploded themselves almost daily in Israeli cities, not a single one managed to get through that airport.

Michael J. Totten is an indepen dent foreign correspondent. His next book is "The Road to Fatima Gate: The Beirut Spring, the Rise of Hezbollah and the Iranian War Against Israel."

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 2:09 pm 
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As much as the Israeli system is highly praised, Israel is a small country with one airport of significance, so of course they can do it that way. Could such a system be practical here in the US, with our dozens of significant airports, several of which are "world hubs" and rank among the most busiest? People may hate the backscatter machines, but they ould rasie holy hell if they had to allow for 3, 4 or more hours to board their flight.

Personally, since I don't fly that much, I would have no problem with the "porn machines" (geez, what hyperbole). All the complaints over the "groping" have come from those who refuse to use them, so they brought it on themselves.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 2:55 pm 
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Can't wait to get a body search.. If it ever happens, I'm not gonna protest. Just the opposite, I'm gonna moan like a bitch in heat... :D


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 2:58 pm 
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/former-isra ... ngers.html

article on ex israeli security officers opinions on profiling. and the fact that the scanners are useless.
think about it.
shoe bomber, underwear bomber.
both these clowns bought tickets last minute/one way/paid cash/had no luggage. any competent security force would have red flagged them instantly.
but our answer is spending billions on a system that doesn't work and has no end game.
and infringing on the rights of all our citizens.
there are people in caves laughing their asses off. we are imbeciles. big fat pc imbeciles.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:36 pm 
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This topic is getting press everywhere
They need to look at where the next threat will come from,not spend a bunch to make sure the past does not happen again. I bet the next one will have nothing to do with planes :idea:
My answer to this airport delema.... you walk into blast proof chamber that emits detonation charges for all bombs :idea:


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:41 pm 
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I think it would be faster and less costly. Machines cost a lot of money, need to be maintained and repaired, and you still have to pay and train people to operate them. Training folks to ask key questions and look for the telltale signs of a person who is "not right" is the way to go. Also, TSA needs access to a national database system, similar to the NICS used for firearms purchases. Verify who the person is and see if he has a criminal record.
Plus the airlines already have a detailed "profile" on every passenger. Where we live, where we've been, where we go every year. Most Americans wouldn't fit any high-risk profiles so they would eliminate wasting time on 75 yr. old grandmothers that fly to Florida every year for Thanksgiving, most frequent domestic business travelers or us good looking single guys that visit CR 5 times/year. :D

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