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Good observations as usual Jazz. It truly is a CULTURAL thing more than about being first or third world. My only fear is that with the reality that most systems and cultures here are 20-30 years behind the USA, will this Latin culture and Latinas specifically evolve into our cold natured gringas and gringo ways? We see so many other cultures being over run by our American commercialism and vain culture. While we have succeeded materially and competitively in the world, one has to wonder if we have lost our souls in the meantime. Not to get too heavy here on CRT, but I just see movement after years living down here of these Latinos replicating the American process of blind materialism and loss of individual identity.

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So today's 20 or 30-something women grew up with conflicting views of what is acceptable sexual behavior for women. In addition, they had whatever there heart desired in the form of material excess. Those differences alone would be enough to draw a distinction between gringas and Latinas.


All of this is questionable and way sweeping, while the underlined portion I`m afraid is just pure nonsense. Seems to me you got a whole lot of stereotyping, psycho-babble, and unproven gene theories going on. It all seems fueled by a lot of anger. Try to put the moves on some of the upper class Brazilian youngins who have bucks and a future. This would be an excellent test for your Latina superiority theory. :lol: Of course I just don`t see this as so complicated as you do. Have a great weekend! :D


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No, sir, we can't use "gringa" in a strictly correct way, but to me at least, those female critters are so foreign psychologically, that it's kind of a distinction without a difference. However to keep peace in the family, how about we use "la Nortes" for them to point out the commonalities of location with us while maintaining the great separation between them and "la Surs" (or "la Suds"--even elementary Spanish is not my strong suit) in our minds? Really not being a smrt-mouth here.
By the way, the movie "Inside Deep Throat" (from '05) shows dramatically the effect and when and to some extent why these social-moral breaks happened, that Jazz was speaking on.

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Tman - I agree, commercialism American style is a scary thing when it comes to delightful, unspoiled latinas. I think the p4p market is more subject to the effects of commercialism than is the non-pro scene. But with time, I'm sure Latinas will pack on the pounds and attitude as you suggest.

Express - Why would I want to date an upscale brazilera with an attitude - unless of course, I liked her? Replicating the gringa experience down here to prove that rich brasileras are just as phucked up as gringas doesn't really float my boat.

Jazzbo - La Nortes? I like it. It's got a ring to it. Are you sure it's not too elegant sounding?

Srlim - I believe the only time you will find the girl next door is when she says it's okay for you to continue occasional travel - without her. And she needs to know you're only seeing p4p'ers, not falling in love or looking for it. You can throw in no kissing and always protected sex, for good measure if you want.

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You can find a girl next door if you really want one. Did you say 20 years? Guys who have sampled as much as you can find it nearly impossible to be satisfied with merely a "decent" woman, as you stated. So find a "decent" woman who lets you have some space. They exist.

And you don't need to be Brad Pitt...

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I gotta chime in again .I like this thread it makes my blood flow . :o

Slim y Jazz ,I am a pretty handsome fellow ,Im a pretty good catch..so why do I have such a hard time finding the type of girl I want ? after tasting the fruits of the mango tree it's made the sour grapes Ive been eating much more sour .

I dont care what anybody says the attitude (generally speaking) of the american female in my tri-state area is signifigantly worse then the typical latina attitude ive experienced from non-pros south of the border . end of story .

I have done the research ,I have been on americansingles, singleparentmeet,match.com,brazilcupid,latinamericancupid,friendfinder.com,yahoosingles,matchmaker.com and probably a few more ....been to 8 minute dating twice ,russian singles gala in manhattan, 8 organized singles events had 2 -8 year relationships...a few blind dates and some hookers in between :lol:

what is my conclusion? My market value is much greater abroad I go from a 8 to a 9.5 in one plane ticket .....why ?? who cares but your friends will tell you they only want your money or papers now us experienced international romeos know thats not all true . :lol:

actually I can find 10 girls on latincupid from cities all over latin american whom live here then-

find there equal attractiveness ,age and nationality who live abroad and write them all the same emails and what I will get is around 5-7 responses abroad and possible 1 to zero responses here .I have done this it is true .

Besides I love latinas I think with the exception of Dominican republic everywhere Ive been the woman are more attractive then here ."attitude+looks" sorry DR fans :? lol I agree once they come here they change very fast ,They aclimate within 3 to 6 months ,you can the ice forming on there wings :)

Im going to continue my spanish class ,learn to dance bachata ,make latino friends and visit warm woman all over the world .Like slim said we are tired of sleeping alone ,we can hook up here but its too much work and the quality is lacking ...JG :D you can read it all in my tagline below :arrow:

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I gotta chime in again .I like this thread it makes my blood flow . :o

Slim y Jazz ,I am a pretty handsome fellow ,Im a pretty good catch..so why do I have such a hard time finding the type of girl I want ?


Gringas are so extremely difficult. I have never been on a date in the usa, after 20 years -- i estimate about 600-750 requests for dates by me, and zero dates. About 8 years ago, I told my story to a bartender here in memphis, and then peeled off 10 100 dollar bills onto the bar. Then and there, I bet him $1000 dollars that he could not get me laid. If he could not, then I would drink for free. The only caveat was that I had to approve the girl (no dogs). He indicated that there were about 30 girls at the bar, and were there any that I would not consider -- I said "any of them would be ok with me". In the 8 years since then, I have made this bet many times, and have never turned down a girl (I only intend to turn down this bet if a bartender tries to hook me up with a real dog). This bet still stands -- if any bartender can hook me up with a decent USA girl (I have never bailed because I didn't approve of the girl, but I reserve the right to do so), I will pay you $1000. If you can't, I drink for free. I bet I go home alone, and drink for free.

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Never tried that approach...

Must remember it the next time I'm at a bar.

I've never had a problem getting a 2nd date after meeting someone in a bar, but getting laid that night has never happened to me either...


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Sometimes I think guys have significant double standards when it comes to women. Many of us have not taken good care of ourselves, watched our weight or developed our "game" with regular women. Yet, we want ONLY attractive girls (which usually means some model look alike to many of us) who are willing to put out immediately and on demand. And while we're at it, we want GFE (girlfriend intimacy) treatment as well.

I've been single most of my 30+ years as an independent adult. There have been periods of mongering, and periods of long term relationships with various non-pro women. Most regular women I know have the same terms WE do on dating. There has to be an attraction. And in many cases, while yes, they can be attracted by our wealth (if we have it), it is more of a sure thing if we can make them laugh and communicate with them. Communication is 9/10ths of the law on intimacy and sexual mutuality. In my opinion, while women can be un predictable, they arent that hard to understand or talk to. Yet many men seem quite intimidated to do so. The hunt is about knowing your "game". What are their habits, their interests, what do they eat? Then you know where to lay in wait and bag them. If you're not interested in going where THEY are, your hunting success will be limited. And I'm not just talking physically where they are. Mentally and emotionally as well.

When it comes to true love and relationships, its not about the money as much as the respect and entertainment factor. And it has to be MUTUAL. So...just try to look at women from your own perspective. Mongering and dating are two different things...and shouldnt be mixed. You have sex for pay, and sex for "play". Men need to understand the difference.

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actually I can find 10 girls on latincupid from cities all over latin american ... and write them all the same emails and what I will get is around 5-7 responses abroad and possible 1 to zero responses here...


You know why, Jersey? You know why. Yes, I once bought the "They're poor" argument, until I lived down here. Take my girl for example. She didn't advertise on BrazilCupid, but her girlfriend did, and introduced us. At the time we met, she was paying 300 reias/mo. for her apartment in Belford Roxo. That's about $180 dollars. Food for locals is incredibly cheap - and good, by the way. And living an 1.5 hours out of Rio, salons are cheap, as is much shopping, including for clothes. So here's this 33 y.o. girl, living on her own, wearing designer clothes, and supporting herself fine, thank you very much. Further her network of friends is deep, with regular get-togethers and a lot of laughs. Her family is 7 hours by bus when she feels the need.

The point is, her job is adequate to live a very full life, including having a computer and CAM in her crib. She's well aware of the quick bucks programa girls make, but never had interest and never needed it. She says it's all in how you grow up.

These girls who are responding when their sisters to the north could give a flying phuck, like something about you - your foto, something you wrote, etc. - besides your money. (American girls love money, so I fail to see the "poor" argument as salient.) Further, there aren't a lot of guys these girls want to phuck in their own back yard. Girls here see local guys as pure dogs. We may be the same, but they hope not. And so you're a celebrity to start with, a foreigner, probably with some bucks, and most importantly, not one of the local dogs they see day in and day out, trying to cop a cheap feel or instigate with a sexist comment. Finally, these girls have sex in their blood and they're not afraid to show it. I have found the non's to be every bit as adventuresome as the hottest sluts in the termas - something I surely cannot say about the stereotypical gringa.

And why don't those gringas call you? You know that answer, too. It's because they're tired. They're bored. They're full. They're busy. They're in a hurry. They're picky. They're serious. They're religious. They're drunk. They're married. They're phucked...and the list goes on and on. They have their fill, sir. They're no different than us when we're down here, batting them off like flies. I actually get annoyed with the attention down here in Rio at times - and can relate to the "ho-hum" gringas must feel. Even if a gringa LIKES you, she's still likely to be in SLOW-MO!

So my advice is WAKE UP! It's never going to change. If you like Latinas, learn their language and come on down! Or at least save your money for those essential trips. The worst thing you could do is think you're going to find the beauty, warmth, passion, and appreciation from girls from Key West, north. There are exceptions and if you want to wait, more power to you.

Life is too precious for that, IMHO.

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I gotta chime in again .I like this thread it makes my blood flow . :o

Slim y Jazz ,I am a pretty handsome fellow ,Im a pretty good catch..so why do I have such a hard time finding the type of girl I want ?


Gringas are so extremely difficult. I have never been on a date in the usa, after 20 years -- i estimate about 600-750 requests for dates by me, and zero dates. About 8 years ago, I told my story to a bartender here in memphis, and then peeled off 10 100 dollar bills onto the bar. Then and there, I bet him $1000 dollars that he could not get me laid. If he could not, then I would drink for free. The only caveat was that I had to approve the girl (no dogs). He indicated that there were about 30 girls at the bar, and were there any that I would not consider -- I said "any of them would be ok with me". In the 8 years since then, I have made this bet many times, and have never turned down a girl (I only intend to turn down this bet if a bartender tries to hook me up with a real dog). This bet still stands -- if any bartender can hook me up with a decent USA girl (I have never bailed because I didn't approve of the girl, but I reserve the right to do so), I will pay you $1000. If you can't, I drink for free. I bet I go home alone, and drink for free.

SR



Wow, what a buzz kill. Seriously one of the more saddest things I've read in a while. Seems like something Rolltide would say :shock:


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WOW that was the most clarifying statement I have ever heard ! you hit the bunda right on the head Jazz . I am going to memorize this I was thinking the exact same thing but just couldnt put it so eloquently !! we gotta hang out sometime . Thanks :lol:
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actually I can find 10 girls on latincupid from cities all over latin american ... and write them all the same emails and what I will get is around 5-7 responses abroad and possible 1 to zero responses here...


You know why, Jersey? You know why. Yes, I once bought the "They're poor" argument, until I lived down here. Take my girl for example. She didn't advertise on BrazilCupid, but her girlfriend did, and introduced us. At the time we met, she was paying 300 reias/mo. for her apartment in Belford Roxo. That's about $180 dollars. Food for locals is incredibly cheap - and good, by the way. And living an 1.5 hours out of Rio, salons are cheap, as is much shopping, including for clothes. So here's this 33 y.o. girl, living on her own, wearing designer clothes, and supporting herself fine, thank you very much. Further her network of friends is deep, with regular get-togethers and a lot of laughs. Her family is 7 hours by bus when she feels the need.

The point is, her job is adequate to live a very full life, including having a computer and CAM in her crib. She's well aware of the quick bucks programa girls make, but never had interest and never needed it. She says it's all in how you grow up.

These girls who are responding when their sisters to the north could give a flying phuck, like something about you - your foto, something you wrote, etc. - besides your money. (American girls love money, so I fail to see the "poor" argument as salient.) Further, there aren't a lot of guys these girls want to phuck in their own back yard. Girls here see local guys as pure dogs. We may be the same, but they hope not. And so you're a celebrity to start with, a foreigner, probably with some bucks, and most importantly, not one of the local dogs they see day in and day out, trying to cop a cheap feel or instigate with a sexist comment. Finally, these girls have sex in their blood and they're not afraid to show it. I have found the non's to be every bit as adventuresome as the hottest sluts in the termas - something I surely cannot say about the stereotypical gringa.

And why don't those gringas call you? You know that answer, too. It's because they're tired. They're bored. They're full. They're busy. They're in a hurry. They're picky. They're serious. They're religious. They're drunk. They're married. They're phucked...and the list goes on and on. They have their fill, sir. They're no different than us when we're down here, batting them off like flies. I actually get annoyed with the attention down here in Rio at times - and can relate to the "ho-hum" gringas must feel. Even if a gringa LIKES you, she's still likely to be in SLOW-MO!

So my advice is WAKE UP! It's never going to change. If you like Latinas, learn their language and come on down! Or at least save your money for those essential trips. The worst thing you could do is think you're going to find the beauty, warmth, passion, and appreciation from girls from Key West, north. There are exceptions and if you want to wait, more power to you.

Life is too precious for that, IMHO.

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Wow, what a buzz kill. Seriously one of the more saddest things I've read in a while. Seems like something Rolltide would say :shock:


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Not really intended to be sad. Just a commentary on gringas and their determination to make men "try out" for their attention. Honestly, just being around them I feel like I am trying to make the varsity football squad, or convince some HR guy why I would be a good addition to his company. I have never met a girl of even average quality here in the states that didn't insist on playing this elementary school game.

Don't worry about me, there are plenty of Russian, Costa Rican, Ukrainian, and other non-westernized women who are frank and mature enough to keep me happy.

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I'd have to agree...


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Scrim my friend what do you look like ? Do you shower ? I am only average and I can get a date any time . 600 to 700 requests and no date. That just does not pass the smell test.


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Wow, what a buzz kill. Seriously one of the more saddest things I've read in a while. Seems like something Rolltide would say :shock:


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Not really intended to be sad. Just a commentary on gringas and their determination to make men "try out" for their attention. Honestly, just being around them I feel like I am trying to make the varsity football squad, or convince some HR guy why I would be a good addition to his company. I have never met a girl of even average quality here in the states that didn't insist on playing this elementary school game.

Don't worry about me, there are plenty of Russian, Costa Rican, Ukrainian, and other non-westernized women who are frank and mature enough to keep me happy.

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With confidence and megabucks to match, which in the U.S.A. means a few mil in reserve, they will be lining up and "trying out" for your attention unless you just look plain disgusting. Or you can exploit 3rd World economies like the rest of us, easiest way to get a young hottie disrobed and on her back, knees, or whatever you prefer. True cultures can be different but the make it or break it is the cash, and it wouldn`t be anywhere near so easy if the economies of these nations were developed. Some on this thread though seem to want to believe that there is something special about them, their "game," etc. and have plenty of zeal in trying to convince us but in all likelihood are more just trying to convince themselves. It`s fantasy reinforcement. Those with a lot of "game" or big bucks in an American economy generally aren`t going to be on boards like this unless they are just of a generous heart to grace us with their presence.... :wink: Cathouse playboys are a dime a dozen, and there is no shortage of them offering free lectures around the Blue Marlin bar... :lol: But we are all Johns that have found places that offer better service at better prices. That`s all. Plus going around harboring resentment again "gringas" or some perceived stereotype of the women who have rejected you is a total waste of time and energy. :D


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Wow, what a buzz kill. Seriously one of the more saddest things I've read in a while. Seems like something Rolltide would say :shock:


Cujo


Not really intended to be sad. Just a commentary on gringas and their determination to make men "try out" for their attention. Honestly, just being around them I feel like I am trying to make the varsity football squad, or convince some HR guy why I would be a good addition to his company. I have never met a girl of even average quality here in the states that didn't insist on playing this elementary school game.

Don't worry about me, there are plenty of Russian, Costa Rican, Ukrainian, and other non-westernized women who are frank and mature enough to keep me happy.

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With confidence and megabucks to match, which in the U.S.A. means a few mil in reserve, they will be lining up and "trying out" for your attention unless you just look plain disgusting. Or you can exploit 3rd World economies like the rest of us, easiest way to get a young hottie disrobed and on her back, knees, or whatever you prefer. True cultures can be different but the make it or break it is the cash, and it wouldn`t be anywhere near so easy if the economies of these nations were developed. Some on this thread though seem to want to believe that there is something special about them, their "game," etc. and have plenty of zeal in trying to convince us but in all likelihood are more just trying to convince themselves. It`s fantasy reinforcement. Those with a lot of "game" or big bucks in an American economy generally aren`t going to be on boards like this unless they are just of a generous heart to grace us with their presence.... :wink: Cathouse playboys are a dime a dozen, and there is no shortage of them offering free lectures around the Blue Marlin bar... :lol: But we are all Johns that have found places that offer better service at better prices. That`s all. Plus going around harboring resentment again "gringas" or some perceived stereotype of the women who have rejected you is a total waste of time and energy. :D


This recent discussion is on non-hookers or latina girlfriends met out of the country .some cathouse playboys have been around the game too long and the line has faded :lol: To me the line is drawn clearly so as not to mistake all woman south of the border for hookers .Nor this discussion to be on getting chicas on there backs .

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