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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 3:30 pm 
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/ ... index.html

A Taca A320 overshot the runway and crashed on a city street in Honduras. 2 dead so far.

Taca already issued a statement: http://www.taca.com/eng/oth/oabo/oabohon.asp


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You would think they would take this into account, one of the SHORTEST Int'l airport runway's in the world.


The airport's single runway is 1,863 m (6,112 feet) in length and is at an altitude of 1,004 m (3,294 feet). Boeing 757s are the largest aircraft that can land at Toncontín, as it is one of the shortest international runways in the world.


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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 5:28 pm 
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From the article Orange posted above:

The airport was built on the southern edge of hilly Tegucigalpa in 1948 with a runway less than 5,300 feet, shorter than that of a small field such as Municipal Airport in Goldsboro, North Carolina.

The altitude of 3,300 feet forces pilots to use more runway on landings and takeoffs than they would at sea level. And because of the hills, pilots have to make an unusually steep approach.


From Airliners.net:

The runway at TGU is only 6,132 ft (1869 m) long. The airport was built on a plateau in the city. Tegucigalpa itself is situated in a basin between several tall mountains. This unique location allows for some spectacular approaches and interesting landings.

Because of the short runway as soon as the plane crosses the fence separating the airport property and the highway, it must make contact. The runway has a “displaced threshold” leaving only 5,436 ft (1657 m) of useable landing runway. That short runway, coupled with a 1.06º downhill slope on runway 01, allows for little braking time.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-artic ... .main?id=8


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It would seem there is some discrepancy in the exact length of the runway but it can be agreed it is short. Airliners.net says it is runway 01 while this report says it is 02. Lots of confusion at this early stage of the investigation.

From Aviation Safety Network: ( http://aviation-safety.net/index.php )

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Accident description
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Status: Preliminary
Date: 30 MAY 2008
Time: ca 09:40
Type: Airbus A320-233
Operator: TACA International Airlines
Registration: EI-TAF
C/n / msn: 1374
First flight: 2000
Engines: 2 IAE V2527E-A5
Crew: Fatalities: 2 / Occupants:
Passengers: Fatalities: 1 / Occupants:
Total: Fatalities: 3 / Occupants: 124
Airplane damage: Written off
Location: Tegucigalpa-Toncontin Airport (TGU) (Honduras) show on map
Phase: Landing
Nature: International Scheduled Passenger
Departure airport: San Salvador-Comalapa International Airport (SAL/MSLP), El Salvador
Destination airport: Tegucigalpa-Toncontin Airport (TGU/MHTG), Honduras
Flightnumber: 390
Narrative:
TACA Flight 390 is a regular flight from San Salvador (SAL), El Salvador to Miami (MIA), USA with an intermediate stop at Tegucigalpa (TGU), Honduras. The A320 took off from San Salvador around 09:05 and landed at Tegucigalpa's runway 02 around 09:40. It overran the runway, onto a street and came to rest against an embankment.

Runway 02/20 is a 6112 x 148 feet (1863 x 45 meters) asphalt runway. The current NOTAM advised a.o. that the runway could be wet: "RWY 02/20 OPR BUT CTN ADVISED DUE TO WET SURFACE ON RAINY SEASON. 06 MAY 16:00 2008 UNTIL PERM. "

Weather around the around the time of the accident (15:40 UTC) was reported by the following METARs:
MHTG 301500Z 19004KT 2000S -DZ FEW008 BKN020 OCV080 21/19 Q1016 2KM S SW WSW D/C 8KM PCPN CL HZ= [Wind 190 degrees at 4 knots, light drizzle, Ceiling 2,000 ft. broken clouds, few clouds at 800 ft., overcast 8,000 ft., Temperature 21°C, Dewpoint 19°C, QNH 1016 mB]
MHTG 301600Z 20009KT 3000SW -DZ FEW006 BKN020 OVC080 22/20 Q1017 3KM SW WSW W 8KM CTE E PCPN CL D/C UNL HZ AVION DE TACA ACCIDENTADO EN LA PISTA 19 EN EL AEROPUERTO TONCONTIN=
At the morning of the accident, tropical storm Alma buffeted Nicaragua's Pacific coast but was losing force as it headed inland over southern Honduras.

Sources:
» Avión de TACA se sale de la pista tras aterrizar en aeropuerto de Tegucigalpa (El Tiempo, 30-5-2008)
» TVC Honduras


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I always fly into San Pedro Sula. Is the airport at SPS bigger and safer?


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I dont see me booking a trip to Honduras anytime soon.


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Thankfully, casualties weren't a lot higher than what's been reported.


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Here's a pick of the plane: http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj31 ... 5438-1.jpg

And a video of a "normal" landing at this airport: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_z5HtME9n8

Look at that approach. There is no straight-in allowed because of the mountains.


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Aviation Herald wrote:
http://avherald.com/h?article=4077cedf&opt=0

According to aviation professionals witnessing the landing at the Toncontin airport the airplane touched down within the landing zone.

The deputy director of Aeronáutica Civil de Honduras, Boris Ferrera, said: "We believe, it could have been a mechanical failure. It is currently presumed, that it was a brakes failure." (not surprising that they would want to blame something other than the airport)


It just gets worse for Taca. The self-proclaimed "newest fleet in the Americas" may need a little maintenance. :shock:


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From what I hear its one of the worst airports in Central America.

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Orange wrote:
Aviation Herald wrote:
http://avherald.com/h?article=4077cedf&opt=0

According to aviation professionals witnessing the landing at the Toncontin airport the airplane touched down within the landing zone.

The deputy director of Aeronáutica Civil de Honduras, Boris Ferrera, said: "We believe, it could have been a mechanical failure. It is currently presumed, that it was a brakes failure." (not surprising that they would want to blame something other than the airport)


It just gets worse for Taca. The self-proclaimed "newest fleet in the Americas" may need a little maintenance. :shock:


As was pointed out in another thread commenting on the accident guys who can discern the cause of the accident from what they read should be working for the NTSB. Anything at this early stage is pure speculation that has no basis in fact. Both flight recorders were recovered, apparently intact, the NTSB has sent a team to help with the investigation so some months from now we will get the conclusion of what went wrong.

As far as Oranges comment "The self proclaimed "newest fleet in the Americas" may need a little maintenance :shock: " it brings to mind (to paraphrase)" hell as no fury like a frequent flier scorned"

Orange wrote:
Bottom line: On my flight home yesterday, ALL 12 business class seats were free because nobody qualified to sit there. Cattle class was really great, I didn't sleep a fucken minute. Those C*ck suckers can take their new policy and shove it up their ass.
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Irish Drifter wrote:
As far as Oranges comment "The self proclaimed "newest fleet in the Americas" may need a little maintenance :shock: " it brings to mind (to paraphrase)" hell as no fury like a frequent flier scorned"

That's funny, I like that. :lol: :lol: :lol:


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