www.CostaRicaTicas.com

I agree with Bilko and VB here. For those of us that live here ot are here very frequently, a good reputation with the Chicas (who gossip almost as much as us girls) ends up resulting in better discounts, good introductions and better sessions. I have chicas vouch for me with new girls all the time.


BKTUNA

VB et al, I've heard all your arguments and I understand and respect where all you are coming from, but I still don't agree with them. You can do your thing and I'll do mine and naturally I don't expect how any of us choose to handle it will change the larger course of events anymore than I expect some gringos from coming down and paying "cien por una hora". Perhaps we should just leave it at that.

However, I don't appreciate your characteriziing my attitude as simply "I don't owe her shit if I don't phuck her". I never said or meant anything of that kind and is certainly not at all the case. All I questioned was the amount we might owe and timing. At what point does she expend enough effort on her side that you owe her anything and how much should that be? And such questions are always going to be subjective ones ie will have no one answer accepted by everybody.

You suggest we owe these chicas something for their just spending time with us at the bar, presumably because of a possible lost opportunity to go with someone else. And I'll readily agree that in some situations that even might be the case, we might owe them SOMETHING even before we take them back to our room, but its hard for me to imagine that ever being as much as $10 unless she spent significantly more time with us than has been suggested here.

Of course, 5K is not that much to us, but it is 20% of what he was about to pay for a whole hour of her spreading her legs for him. So, of course she is going to prefer to get paid $10 for only 5 minutes of boring chit-chat. Put another way, 5K is equal to a full 12 minutes at 25K/hr IF (and thats a big IF) the work were as bad as having to put out for you (which, I don't know, may be true in some of our cases). Personally, I think even buying her a 2nd drink might be more than enough for most of us in most cases. However, I READILY concede that if she spent a LOT of time with you at the bar and you were leading her to believe that she'd have a chance of cashing in back at your room than a decent guy would at least give her something for her troubles.

Lets look at your solution. Instead of just coming out and making a deal like Bilko did (an approach I'm not advocating either), you flirt and chat with the chicas for a while leading them to think they might score a deal. If you do eventually score a deal, then great. Everybody is happy. But if you don't, do you tip her $10 for her time or do you buy her just a $2 drink and walk away guilt free, even though you took up even more of her time than Bilko did, thinking "I don't owe her shit if I never agreed to anything".

So getting back to my original statement, its not a question if we owe them anything at various stages of our encounter, its a question of how much and when. Is it when they first approach us and ask if they can sit down next to us? Is it after we've spent 10 minutes talking to them? Is it when we make the deal? Is it when we leave the bar? Is it when we get back to the room and they start to remove their clothes? Or is it when they start to "perform" for us? The arguments could be made that we owe them greater and greater consideration as we get deeper into the process. Exactly how much that should be at each stage (and when) is all that is really in question.

The pre-negotiation stage may come with no commmitments on either side but it still comes with certain obligations and trade-offs. For example, does your sense of morality allow you to lead a girl on if you aren't really interested in her just so that you can get a little free ball-squeezing? Isn't that time worth every bit as much to her as the few minutes it takes for you to finish your drinks after making a deal and leaving the bar? Ah, but you'd probably just say that is the chance you both take until the deal is made. Sometimes investments of time don't pan out. That is definitely true but I'd argue that many times we are already paying something for that time in the form of the drinks we buy them. It is our way of saying "Spend some time with me so we can get better acquainted" or "I think you're worth spending some money on so that you will spend some time sitting with me and maybe we can agree on how much more I'd spend so we can spend some different type of time back at my room" (that is a bit longwinded which is why it is so much easier to say that by just buying her the drink). You both know a deal but not come to pass but you both agree to spend some time to find out.

At some point if you don't raise the topic of money she will. Her time is worth money and if this gamble she's taking with you doesn't look like it is going to pay-off she'll decide to cut her losses and see if she has better luck with someone else. At that point, you can either start to negotiate or you can put her off. The latter could be seen as leading her on and, if that is the case, I'd go even beyond what you and Bilko are saying and say you owe her something for partying, drinking, dancing, etc. with you whether you wind up making a deal or not. Exactly how much that should be or whether the drinks you buy her is enough to cover it, is another subtopic of debate.

Eventually you bite the bullet and agree to terms. Since everything leading up to that was just a gamble each of you were taking, the question of what that time was worth is a wholly seperate issue. With the exception of situations like the one discussed at the end of the last paragraph, the clock for the post-deal period doesn't really start until that deal is made. If you continue partying, drinking and dancing with her it is just like if you hadn't made the deal but implied one was coming and you owe her something for her time. More typically, once the deal is made there is little delay between then and when you get up to leave the bar. So the value of the added time she has put out is minimal at best. What's more, she is completely within her rights to back out of any deal you've made before money has changed hands if she suddenly gets the feeling that something isn't right? Or would you tell her something like "I've spent all this time buying you drinks and the least you owe me is a handjob"? Why shouldn't we have the same right to walk away until the moment she has actually done anything for us if we get the feeling we're not going to get what we bargained for?

Which brings us to the final stages of the process, a situation that, unfortunately too many of us have experienced. We take her back to the room and she starts to remove her clothes. Maybe its just a matter of the previously unseen flab spilling out, or maybe she starts copping an attitude, not really violating the letter of your agreement because you didn't spell it out completely enough or maybe not violating it because you stop her before she has a chance to do anything more, but certainly not living up to the spirit of your agreement. IMHO, it is only at this point, that we're really obligated to pay her anything of any great substance before we send her on her way. If she's gone all the way back to your place, at the very LEAST you owe her cab fare. If she's stripped but hasn't started the BJ or other intimate actions, IMO you still owe her more than that and maybe 5K would be appropriate.

So getting back to "I don't owe her shit if I don't phuck her" does not apply to my position at all.

Last comment, you guys keep talking about this as some sort of investment that will pay off later because the girl will think you a decent guy. Forgetting the whole debate of whether she really just sees you as some shmuck sucker that gave her $10 to simply walk away and conceding that she now sees you as some noble knight. There was a reason why you walked away from this girl in the first place. Do you really want to ever spend time with her again taking the chance that she won't suddenly become disinterested in you once she thinks she's got the deal in the bag? There are other chicas out there. Who really cares what chicas like this one think?

Hey we all bait our hooks differently. What works for one may not for another simply because of suttle differences in the smoothness it is carried out. Obvious these women are all hookers & have to have $$ to perform but how they perform can be like night & day depending on their respect they have for you as a good guy or if they sort of like you. It makes a big difference many times Many times it is how they percieve you over all that is more important than your look or age.

_________________
"Run silent, run deep"
Spunk glazed Chicas are the building blocks of the universe!

To my good friend Prolijo..... OK,OK you win. I tried to read your entire post,but I just didn't have the stamina. So whatever you said,I agree. This is definitely getting too deep for me over Bilko giving a chica around $9.75 "just because he wanted to". The CR Government doesn't spend this much time and effort on their annual budget. Maybe CRT could just adopt Dave's interview questionaire,and pay a chica for paticipating depending on how far she gets before she smacks you in the mouth. Please don't attack me for this...... It's HUMOR....HAPPY NEW YEAR

You're still not hearing what I'm saying. What you just said is ABSOLUTELY true. But what I just said is a girl that you decide isn't going to be worth the deal you just made and therefore decide to back out on isn't going to be performing with you ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. She's not going to be performing for you AT ALL both now and most likely never in the future. And even if she did, in cases like these, you backed out because you felt you had good reason to think she WASN"T GOING TO perform well ANYWAY even BEFORE you backed out on her. Finally while I don't think just sneaking away and leaving her hanging at the bar is a noble way to deal with this situation either, how does it build respect for you if you treat her overly extravagantly by tico standards? Couldn't you argue that will just make her see you as a sap that can easily be taken advantage, if you ever did try to make a deal with her in the future? "I'll act all hot and interested and agree to 25K again and then pull my pouting act and hope he just gives me a lot of walking money again." Isn't it best to just deal with this honestly and respectfully, but FIRMLY by saying something like "I'm sorry, but I think I've just made a mistake and have changed my mind and thought it better we both just forgot about this before we both got too far into it. Thanks anyway" or even like Bob suggested "You know on further reflection I don't think this was such a good idea after all, let me buy you a drink for all your troubles and lets just leave it at that." (assuming she hasn't already been hitting you up for top-shelf premium drinks all evening).

I'm sorry. I can appreciate different approaches or baiting one's hook differently, but I can't appreciate what I consider to be illogical arguments. I can't appreciate the point of trying to impress a chica with your honor when she is ALREADY showing a clear lack of respect for you. Feigning interest in you is expected and understandable but dropping that act the second she thinks she has her hooks set into you and before even delivers what you thought you'd be getting is not and shows a clear disrespect of us as gringos. Bending over backwards to be honorable to such a chica is like throwing gasoline on the flames. It doesn't breed respect. It just further erodes it. And in any event it is completely pointless since, if you were smart, you'd be steering well clear of those types.

As for the larger audience of chicas, How is this any different then when a chica tells all her friends that we're cheapskates because we don't want to pay cien or otherwise fail to agree to something that they feel they're entitled to? They're going to talk and say whatever they want. If a chica asks you about it you can explain it to her from your side and let that be a lesson to them. If they treat us right, we can be the nicest guys in the world. If they treat us like saps, they shouldn't count on anything. Respect has to go both ways. If she doesn't mention what she heard, you can still show what sort of man you really are by your actions towards her. The better chicas are going to be able to judge for themselves what type of guy you are when you spend a little time with them.

I can appreciate that different guys have different compensation levels that they feel is appropriate in different situations. But I also think there is a reasonable range and that some amounts are clearly excessive (In much the same way that some vets manage to pay $40 while others pay $60 but nearly all vets agree that cien is too much). I can appreciate showing some respect for women that though they're basically hookers are still human beings too. But I also think there comes a point where some of them lose their claim to respectability, such as when we catch them trying to scam us with outright lies in a RFM (or when they act like our novias right up to the second they think they have us hooked for our dough). I think for many of the guys around here their wimpy preconditioning by gringas rules the day and think that being respectful means being overly deferential and subservient. These aren't gringas. What LATINAS respect most, and many gringas secretly too, is a guy that they CAN'T wrap around their finger, though they'll still try. A guy who is strong and can take charge. One can be respectful yet also still be firm. Don't be a sucker and don't put up with any shit.

BTW, where the Phuck is Tim Bones when you need him? C'mon, Tim, please chime in here.

Now THAT'S funny.

Hey ,prolijo,you made your point,looks like your going to have to pay me $10 for reading your long comments,you've got way too much time on your hands dude,move on life's too short .My motto in life is to each his own,don't try and control what anybody else is doing just do what you have to do.Bilko i agree with you,by giving her $10 you are not ruining it for other guys ,trust me there are too many other gringos doing that and how are you going to control them.I have seen gringos at DR and SL withchicas on each arm waving wads of money around and giving them money even before they go up to the room.You can only preach to the guys on the CRT board ,i don't see anybody going up to these other guys and telling them to stop this shit. Jay.

I have paid $10 just to sit and chat, or dance with a "working girl" at the KL and other places. Sometimes I just buy them drinks, but personally, I would feel like a cheap MF if I took up an hour of a girls time and didnt take her for a session or give her SOMETHING. And it has made me many friends among the chica population who I have never sessioned with, but who will always give me a peck on the cheek...and sometimes even warn me of some "BAD" chica who is coming on to me.

I'm with you on this one Bilko...

_________________
All that a man achieves and all that he fails to achieve is the direct result of his own thoughts...

Again, I agree completely and if you review my posts you'll see I NEVER said otherwise. What I thought we were talking about was a quickly and hastily put together deal. In fact, I went beyond what Bilko et al said and added that whether one had come to a deal or not is sometimes completely besides the point. If you lead them on and waste a lot of their time it amounts to the same thing. As charming as we sometimes like to think we are, these gals are not hanging out with us just for our dancing ability and our willingness to buy them drinks. They're hoping to make that deal at the end. Failing that, if they walk away completely emptyhanded they'll have felt played. Who could blame them? The question is only about how much that bar time is really worth and at what point it goes beyond their just taking a few minutes to explore a possibility to actually placing a bet. An hour for 5K sure! Maybe even more than that, but not for just 5 minutes. You guys seem to be twisting what I've been trying to say.Maybe I do. But at the same time, maybe I haven't made it since many of the replies seem to missed the point I've evidentally been ineffectively trying to make. The post above is just another example of that. As for what I owe you, "we never had a deal" remember. I never promised to pay you to have sex with me, so you shouldn't be too disappointed. Everyone around here should know by now, you read my posts and you take your chances

Tman, even though my hearing is faulty I did read your post . I have done the exact thing like you posted also, with what I feel are nice women that are not pushy & appear to be genuine. In a way other chicas may see some of this & start to realize good behavior & having some class can pay off. At least I hope so.

One Xmas I was in HDR & found a real good newby (Tica) I had no time to really play with her but we did talk. God why this happens I will never know, just bad timing when you luck into a good one but I had to keep my other commitments . Anyway I gave her around $15 &n said I hope this can help your Xmas out some, I don't want anything but maybe sometime in the future we can see other . This HOT Tica Grabbed me with a big kiss & hug. I n\knew she was there to try to make a better Xmas for her K*ds (for real). She starts crying gets real emotional thanking me so many times. Interesting experience for my little $15 bucks . I never ever saw her again thru the years but maybe someday ?

PS: HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYBODY !

_________________
"Run silent, run deep"
Spunk glazed Chicas are the building blocks of the universe!

Here's a question: Let's say you hung out with a chica at KL for like 1.5 hours drinking and talking, then when you are ready to make a deal and go back to your hotel, she says $200 for 1.5 hours in your room.

What would be the right thing to do in your opinion? (Obviously, sessioning is out of the question at that price, she must be drunk AND high.) This is not hypothetical, it's a real-life situation that happened to a CRT we were hanging with on one of my recent trips.

Orange that is too easy. NEXT!!

_________________
"Run silent, run deep"
Spunk glazed Chicas are the building blocks of the universe!

Good point O - in fact, I feel no qualms about getting as much advance play from a girl as possible if I find her attractive. Then when we get down to negotiations, if her price is in line - fine, it's a deal, otherwise, I move on.

Case in point - I got a good half-hour of lap grinding from gorgeous Dominicana Jeni (her pic was posted not long ago in the VIP section) in the Beatle Bar last time in Jaco, but her price was so far out of line that I had to pass. And felt not a shread of guilt about moving on to the next prospect.

_________________
Check out http://weluvlatinas.com/ for the web's best info on the latin american monger lifestyle...

But do you compensate her anything for the time she spent with you drinking and talking?

Might have bought her a drink or two while we were playing around, but when I walked away, did I hand her a 5K colones bill and say "thanks for the lap dance"? Hell no - that's the cost of doing (or not doing) business sometimes...

_________________
Check out http://weluvlatinas.com/ for the web's best info on the latin american monger lifestyle...