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Ruffnutz made some good points, but I don't completely agree with him. First of all you may get what you pay for to SOME degree, but I think that is FAR from a universal truth. If it were completely true you wouldn't see those gorgeous colombianas walking back into the BM after having left a half hour earlier with some gullible newbie sucker for cien. And that happens all the time. One guy pays $100 for an hour, another with better looks or more charm negotiates her down to $75, are you telling me the 2nd guys only gets 75% of the quality of performance? Even if you're talking about what a particular knowledgeable and informed veteran gets, it is FAR from a perfect correlation. You're not going to tell me all the very best sessions you have had have been the ones you've spent the most money on or vice versa that the ones you've spent the least money on have all been the worst. We all know even an ugly BM chica charges more than a gorgeous girl working at a tico place. Personally, from my own experience, when I have paid top dollar for a chica because she had star quality looks far more often than not her performance was far from star quality. They don't have to put that much effort or passion into their performance because they don't have to. Sure there are exceptions but if there is any correlation in this debate at all it is that looks and performance are, more often than not, negatively correlated. There will always be some sucker who gets stuck on their looks that willing be willing to blow that top dollar on them. After its over if the guy is less than fully satisfied it doesn't matter because they don't need to go for repeat business. There will always be one more.

This all brings me to the next area where I have to disagree with you. Just because a chica is not as beautiful as Eva Longeria doesn't mean she's a fat pig like Star Jones. There are a few that fall somewhere in between. I'm not completely blind, but I'll take a 7 from heaven over a 9 thats a grind. Moving just a little further down on your standards for looks from the top shelf at the BM puts you into a category of chicas that have to work just a little harder for their business (sort of like Avis).

Some other points about negotiating terms rather than price. That is a good idea IN THEORY. Some girls certainly do have it in their head that they wouldn't ever budge one colone off of cien/hora but would fairly easily negotiate to cien for 2 or even 3 hours. It doesn't make much sense to me when they could probably do 2-3 $60-70 sessions in the same time they spent waiting, negotiating and finally performing for 3 hours for that one $100 session, if they didn't hold so tenaciously to that $100 mark. I suppose it must be an ego or principle thing or something. However, when you're talking about the cien colombianas many of them are just as steadfast in terms of time as they are in terms of price. Its like Bob said, if they cut right to the chase and ask to go to your room within the first 60 seconds that tells you worlds about where their head is at, which is "how fast can I extract as much money as possible out of this fool and get back to the bar so I can do it again". If you can negotiate extra hours, be sure you're clear when the clock starts. Is it when you first start buying her one of many drinks in the bar or is it an hour or two later when you get back to the room. If you're not clear on this you may find she's ready to leave within an hour of getting to your room anyway anad are you going to want to argue the point then. Also if she just barely delivers what she promises and lives up to the letter if not the spirit of her promises and just lies there like a "'dead-fish' Eva Longoria-type" what are the odds that a guy won't just send her packing after he gets his rocks off anyway. You may have her in a deal but if she really doesn't want to be there and makes it clear in some subtle or not so subtle ways are you really going to want to keep her around? And I think this is what some of the cien chicas that agree to extra time are really thinking when they make that deal.

BOB... Whoa! In case you missed the emoticons, this was all in fun.

Nobody is suggesting that you lower your standards in any way. I'm just wondering if you would, for the sake of fun, take a walk on the wild side and hook up, completely sight unseen. Then, if to your amazement she turns out to be the jump of a lifetime, you could pull off the blindfold and see who gave you that heavenly ride. If she looks like Roseanne Barf, you could learn something about suppressing nausea if nothing else.

I'm not calling attention to my blindness for its own sake. What I am slowly learning in this game is... YMMV, and also...you never know.

BTW, your advice in this thread is golden for newbies and veterans alike. I think we need a huge reality check around here sometimes.

And that's what my challenge was about BOB. Just a little reality check. If it's all in my mind (the vision of her beauty), then why could it not also be in your bright, creative mind? It's not about the blindness or even about the eye of the beholder. It's about real perception of beauty. Please lighten up...just trying to be friendly, in my sorta antisocial and bungling way.

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Funny how this "cien" topic always brings out some of the most passionate dialogues on this board ...

Ruffnutz said

I think that is pretty good advice in general. If I am just going for a bang for the buck...quite honestly I am going to do the MPs or Strip clubs with full service automatic for less than "cien". But, if I am hunting for a fantasy independent hookup at the Delrey, KL or elsewhere...to me it is more about the personality and how I perceive they will live up to my fantasy of the moment than about the price. Like chemistry in a bar...it is more about the turn on and mutual chemistry than the money. I have been with girls for $50 that hardly ever take less than 100...because I have worked them and gotten to know them. All part of the game. Then there are others who have probably gone with Ruff for free that wouldnt go with me for less than $150...because we have no chemistry.

OK enough from me on thread # 956 on "no cien"

Prolijo, You summarized my thoughts just about on the mark. I share your views on those 6, 7 and 8's as they more often than not provide better service than the 9 or 10 knockout. There is also very little correlation between price paid and quality of service. Anouther point I would make is quite number of people don't make thier selections with primary emphasis on looks but consider attitude and vibes with the girl as well. I know when I was younger looks were very imprortant but my perspcetives have changed over time and experience and I place more emphasis on outher factors with looks being secondary. I expect quite a number of outhers share those views but one of the nice things is we have a varied group here with many differnent styles so it comes down to whatever works best for each person.rbc100

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EC, my feathers didn't get ruffled by your post, and I hope you didn't take it that way, good buddy. I actually think your experiment would be a cool idea... too bad my lady-friend probably wouldn't be too crazy about it.

Regarding some follow-ups, all i have to say is that finding chemistry is a must for ALL sessions if you want them to be successes... that's why most Colombianas have gotten a refusal from me 95% of the time I've ever talked to one, regardless of how hot they are... they never seem willing to allow enough time, pre-session, to make any type of connection. It's just wham-bam thank you sir with them. But chemistry IS a must, and I was hoping that was a common sense, pre-cursor caveat to all my pointers which could go unsaid, but implied and understood.

With that said, I stand firmly behind my pointers and think they are good guidelines to go by with DR/KL kittens that are generally considered 8+'s.

Ruffnutz

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The reason that I love the Blue Marlin so much is that I pretend that I am in a bar just trying to pick up chicas. Although I rarely pay cien I put the money factor out of my mind. Also, taking the chica back to my room to me is much more of a turn on than a bed in an MP. I agree with Ruff that looks are 99% of the reason I go to CR. I turn down girls in the BM that I would love to date in the US. I have always stayed at the Presidente, but I could not imagine or be able to handle being turned away from my hotel because of the dress code at midnight. My vacation time is precious and I don't like problems. One more thing, there's been a lot of talk about looks vs. performance, but how about giving fake names(Colombianos) vs. performance. When she pulls out her ID I always check to see her real name vs. what she tells me it is. I had a couple of chicas go ballistic when I called them by there real names, while a few others warmed up to me when i called them by their correct names.

I don't believe the, "You get what you pay for" concept at all. Perhaps it applies in other service industries, but not here. There are way too many variables on the part of the chica, not the least of which, the emotional. I have had more bad sessions with inflexible girls than with flexible ones, regardless of their looks.

If you're afraid you're going to put her in a "bad mood" talking her down, then I say talk her down. That information is valuable. Good-natured providers won't get irritated with you, they'll simply try to convince you in a nice way why being a cheap bastard works against you. I've had nice girls talk me "up" in a nice way and others try and fail miserably. I'll sometimes eat "humble pie" and give a girl what she wants if she's hot and remains personable and sexy.

I mention the "emotional" because let's face it, some girls want to phuck you more than others. And the same girl could vary from day to day or even instant to instant. Catch a girl when she's feeling good and it'll show in the bargaining process.

I've taken up "educating" girls, since I've begun to develop a "circle" of friends. One girl used to have her cell on, seem to be worried about something, ie., preoccupation, not want to do this or that. I told her to phuck off but she kept wanting to see me. She's a hot slut, or I wouldn't have bothered. I explained you have to turn off your phone, focus on me, relax like there's no place to go, and give me the total feminine treatment, or forget it. Damn if she hasn't started to listen, almost like she was waiting for someone to take the time to explain why a hot girl like her was having trouble getting gigs. She originally asked R250 and the last time I saw her I gave her R50 and she liked it. That's because I told her I'd "bump" that up, but she has to demonstrate she wants to make me happy and enjoy herself too. Some girls simply don't have a clue.

Regarding Colombianas at the DR, I must say I never partook much in that shit. But put me in Colombia, and they're the sweetest, most appreciative girls to date, including Rio. Rio has gotten more commercialized too, which is really what we're talking about. Commercialism is the "deathnell," make no mistake about it. But at least Rio is huge and you can still find some "untouched" girls by avoiding Help. One girl travels in 1.5 hours to see me and then goes back. She's a nymph, will do anything, all with a foxy smile the whole time. She LOVES it. PM your email and I'll send a pic. But the girls in Colombia are far less commercialized, more so in some cities.

VB, keep lettin' 'em go, unless, that is, you want to take them under your wing. But I don't know if you have the time for that nonsense, with so many other girls from which to choose.

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"...and if men didn't have this unquenchable desire to have sex with women, then they wouldn't have anything to do with women at all. I certainly wouldn't..."

I feel like I'm having to clarify again and again, and so to end my never-ending frustration with this thread, this is hopefully the last time I will clarify.

On my post, the concept of "You get what you pay for" was referring strictly to the aesthetic beauty, or LOOKS, department. Here's a quote of what I said:




Never was "You get what you pay for" referring to performance or a gauge of emotional stability for the day. It meant strictly looks. If you want to get a 8-10, you're gonna pay more than forty bucks...

Really truly honestly, that's all I was trying to say.

And by the way, moving on to a completely different argument altogether... if in TWO MINUTES, just 120 seconds, of the kitten sitting down with you for the first time, you have already made introductions and went straight to discussing price and terms, then your whole approach at this is, IMHO, set to destin you to Chewbaccas and/or mediocre sessions and/or less than favorable prices, at best. You probably are better suited for cheaper MP's where the "hunt" plays little to no factor on the 'kill.' QUALITY-shopping at the Del Rey is not for everyone, and there's nothing wrong with that. Not everyone shops at Armani Exchange either... There IS a science to this which some will try to work on and some won't (i.e., learning spanish, taking care of oneself, taking your time on the interview, being respectful and gentlemanly, etc etc), and there ARE shortcuts that will cost you in one department or another, and there ARE give-and-takes in this dance that not everyone is willing to take their time and/or efforts on, and that's ok... nothing wrong with that. My personal experiences vs. observing many others in the game have shown me that on many aspects, factors and levels involved in the mongering world, I have chosen the road less travelled, and that has made all the difference.

Reminds me of a trip I did long ago where this guy wouldn't put ANY time into interviewing or warming up to the kittens... he would simply walk up the chica and say, "How much for all night, BJ sin condon?". He never got an answer less than $250 (if they even said yes, most just plain said NO)and he became known as 'the strange one' among the kittens. Then there were the rest of my group from ATL, who took our time, got to know the ladies, and treated them with some kind of dignity (as opposed to treating them like a simple temporary cum-dumpster for lease), and we had no problems getting all-nighters with decent-to-hot kittens for no more than $150 consistently. All relative though... that's why there's a little bit of everything in Del Rey, I guess, to appease to all the masses.

Ruffnutz

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I have to agree with Dr. VB (PhD from UDR). My first trip to CR I had 2 Columbians, both duds in attitude and service (money not an issue). So, I swore off Columbians, that is until my last trip down there (my 5th two-weeker). I got the hots for a Columbian after a super hot party at SL and caved. No mas. I am definitely finished with the Columbians. Some of you undoubtedly have great times with them; so be it, but I can't click with them. Dr. Bob, I can't believe it took you so long to come to that conclusion! LOL

OK...at least this thread has gotten away from cien...and about performance.

I had an interesting conversation tonight here in Panama with a Colombiana who has been in CR working a few times. This chica was with a buddy of mine...we were at dinner. She was very nice, well spoken though not from a highend educated family in Colombia...from Medellin...but the other side of the tracks I think. almost 6ft tall and perfect proportions that some of us have grown to love in Colombianas . Anyways, the subject of Costa Rica came up and I told her that Colombianas in CR are looked at as hard, cold and expensive (I sometimes have a way of being blunt nicely). I asked her what she observed there in San Jose... and she said that while they think they are worth more than many of the chicas from other countries...they are much more in the minority in CR than they are in Panama. So sometimes they are more cautious and maybe a little cold and all business.

The other interesting point she made (now dont get mad at me...I'm just passing on someone elses perspective) is that many or most of the gringos she meets in San Jose are not as classy or in shape as gringos they meet in Panama. They tend to all rush to the negotiations and think every girl is JUST a puta (reminds me of another thread here this past week). I do know from MUCH personal ecperience that the Colombianas are more proud and feel they are more educated and smart than the average chica in the Delrey. So...the attitude comes out...especially when they feel threatened or in a minority situation. From what she was saying, she acts totally different with most guys in CR than she does in Panama.

What does this mean? I'm not trying to say that many of the Colombianas in the Delrey arent cold and bitchy...and over priced compared to the market. But...there might be something to OUR approach...and even being threatened by prettier, tougher, smarter women who dont just roll over for us every time. And I will have to admit...I find the Colombianas here in Panama much friendlier and open than they are in CR. And these are SOME of the same ones. So...it really may be the environment. And some of us still like the challenge of hooking a 9-10 smart Colombiana...as part of our hunt or fantasy.

But as many of you on this board have attested to before...when you connect with an amenable Colombiana...the price becomes a very moot point. To be honest, the Colombianas I have gotten to know...even apart from my GF...have been less about the money than the Ticas I knew well there. Funny how everyone has different experiences, and therefore different attitudes and preferances. And maybe those who were unfortunate in their first run ins with Colombianas now just have a bad attitude that direction.

Sorry...I still prefer the Colombianas YMMV

Tman - I don't know about that one, either. I had a friend who used to like to say, "You can't polish a turd." The real problem, it seems to me, is the Del Rey. Take the same guy, same "gentlemanly" prowess (or lack of), same smell/look/personality, and he does good here, not so well there, and phuckin GREAT in non-commercialized venues, or places where the competition is stiff like Rio or Pattaya.

It's not the local, sweet, homebody Colombian girls that are traveling to the Del Rey. For those you have to go to the "mother land." Let's finally admit the Del Rey is an enterprise, attracting "empresarios!"

Sorry, but too many DR girls are about biz, period. It's inevitable. By the way, Help disco has a comparable quality here in Rio.

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Ruff,
IMHO, you've summed it up in just a couple sentences. But, as we all know, some guys just don't get it! It's not rocket science here. It's just chica's! The one thing that I've learned, is that a little respect and/or common courtesy (towards the chica) goes a LONG way. Even though they're selling themselves for $$$, they're still human! Treat them nicely, and they're more likely to reciprocate, and that's a win-win situation.

Amen!
The Colombiana's are tougher negotiators ??? Good! Bring it on! That's half the fun of it. YMMV. I'll take Armani over J.C. Penney any day!

Mucho Gusto

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I've been with Ticas, Nicas, Dominicanas, Panamanians, Guatemalans, Mexicans and Colombianas.

My preference? There has been no basic difference. If I'm attracted to them and they are amiable and we can come to terms then it's a done deal.

There is no one, all inclusive "type" from each country. If someone has had bad luck with girls from a certain country maybe you pick the same "type".

It usually doesn't take me long to figure out that she's not for me. Watch how she carries herself. Is she constantly looking for a "mark" or is she conversational? Is she friendly without being pushy? Is she promising you the world or acting like she'd rather be somewhere else? These are all signs that maybe she's not the best selection in the house.

You just never know without talking to her. If the two of you can't communicate even a little it might also put a damper on the "mood".

If you present yourself like a SOB (drunk, loud, unshaven, fat, reaking of alcohol and/or smoke, treating her like a rental unit or puta) then maybe, just maybe, she's not going to be thrilled to go with you.

If she's got that "I'm the hottest thing here and if you don't want to go with me you must be crazy" attitude then pass her by.
If you have that "just gotta have her" look in your eyes (often accompanied with drooling) she's already gained the upper hand.

It's not an exact science and you may have to go through a few bad ones to learn the ropes but if there is one thing you can say about the Del Rey:
There's something for everyone.

Happy hunting,
Wit

The problem here is all the gringos in the DR are not CRT members and all the chicas see gringos as cien.

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