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American Airlines files for chapter 11
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Author:  Yupa [ Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:17 pm ]
Post subject:  American Airlines files for chapter 11
http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/stor ... 51457592/1

Make sure to sure to confirm your tickets before your trip.
Author:  Scuba1 [ Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: American Airlines files for chapter 11
In reality, todays Chapter 11 filing will likely have zero effect on the traveling public - still, your suggestion is not a bad idea.

I remember when filing BK was the most shameful thing one could do, either corporatly or personally; now many companies use it as a planning tool - in fact, AA was critizied for not doing it a few years ago when some others in the avation industry did so. Late to the party, so to speak :roll:

No, among the ones who will be screwed will be their lease holders, suppliers/vendors, employees to name a few, b/c BK allows you out of certain obligations, and the ability to renegociate union contracts - assuming one does not fall into one of the above categories, the filing will have little - and most likely no - effect on the general public.
Author:  Scuba1 [ Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: American Airlines files for chapter 11
SRLIM - You got in right before me - just as I was finishing my post :)

While great minds think alike, its still a hell of a way to run the railroad......

I remember - and wish for - the days BK was not viewed as a planning tool....
Author:  Yupa [ Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: American Airlines files for chapter 11
I agree that it probably has no impact on regular travelers this case as American Airlines told their customers that "American is honoring all tickets and reservations as usual, and making normal refunds and exchanges. And, we intend to maintain a strong presence in domestic and international markets. "

However, customers have experienced less desirable conditions by unhappy (or uncertain) employees on companies that filed for chapter 11. I remember when Frontier's very happy all-smile employees turned to very unhappy people riht after chaper 11. Also, in 2008 ATA filed for chapter 11 and cancelled all flights. Again, larger airlines such as American will not do what ATA did, but better be safe than be sorry.
Author:  Dramatist [ Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: American Airlines files for chapter 11
Srilm wrote:
Yupa wrote:
http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/story/2011-11-29/American-Airlines-files-for-Chapter-11-protection/51457592/1

Make sure to sure to confirm your tickets before your trip.


means NOTHING as far as the passenger/customer is concerned.

every major us airline has declared bankruptcy, some more than once (us airways). It's simply a way to shed debt. They won't even touch the frequent flier program

SR


yep. since 2001 they and southwest remain[d] the sole holdouts,,, if you’re a passenger - elite status member the filing has absolutely zero impact on services.
Author:  Dale Ray [ Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: American Airlines files for chapter 11
I am a Million Miler on AA most of it on Biz. As of late I have been going with Jet Blue and Spirit. AA has priced them selfs out of the market. I still use my miles on AA to go to Rio. But to SJO I take Spirit. Even with the nickle and dime charges. I can book a Exit row or a big seat and still save a couple Hundred Dollars. Enough to cover my Hotel Room on a short stay.

IMHO AA with need to merge with another Airline to make it. That maybe bad news for us in the Hobby. Less choices.
Author:  FunLover [ Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: American Airlines files for chapter 11
Srilm wrote:
Yupa wrote:

However, customers have experienced less desirable conditions by unhappy (or uncertain) employees on companies that filed for chapter 11. I remember when Frontier's very happy all-smile employees turned to very unhappy people riht after chaper 11. Also, in 2008 ATA filed for chapter 11 and cancelled all flights. Again, larger airlines such as American will not do what ATA did, but better be safe than be sorry.


I am still getting that attitude from ex-northwest employees at Delta. And US Airways must have really screwed over their employees because I get better customer service from McDonald's.

ATA was a different critter, just like Midway. Small airlines have no support structure. Legacy carriers like AA don't generally outright fail, they even have a blanket holding corporation to further buffer any fallout. Eastern was the last big legacy carrier to outright die (or was it Pan Am?). Lessons learned, especially in this economic climate, will probably prevent that from happening again. Also, federal law REQUIRES other carriers to honor tickets issued by an airline that goes tits up.

Just check your flight status the day before, but you should be doing that anyway (weather delays, etc.). Chances are the airline will e-mail you any changes before you think to check it yourself.

SR


(i.e.; USAirways) You can say that again. In fact, I got better service from the McDonald's on 8 Mile in Detroit....and they screwed up the order, since it's hard to hear through the bullet proof glass... :roll: A*holes lie about why their planes are late, while apparently forgetting that you and 200 other people were *on* the plane, so you *know* why the plane was late.....wait, do I sound bitter...? :evil:
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