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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 8:18 pm 
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An outfit in Canada is making brand-new though re-engineered DeHavilland Twin Otters. Was there ever a tougher, more versatile aircraft? The newest originals are 22 years old, and now its back:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 68026.html

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:04 pm 
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Is that the type of aircraft that Nature flies? I was actually thinking of making a short trip to the Corcovado area (Golfito or Puerto Jimenez) and was starting to think..should I fly Nature..or Sansa or rent an SUV and drive. Any thoughts as far as safety issues...Nature versus Sansa?


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Is that the type of aircraft that Nature flies? I was actually thinking of making a short trip to the Corcovado area (Golfito or Puerto Jimenez) and was starting to think..should I fly Nature..or Sansa or rent an SUV and drive. Any thoughts as far as safety issues...Nature versus Sansa?


Look for rock stars as you board any small plane. If you don't see any you are good. If you do, head for the nearest car rental agency! :lol: :lol:

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We need Brother Srilm or other knowledgeable Brother to chime in on this but I don't know of any safety issues with either airline. I believe NatureAir does limit the passenger + baggage amount, but don't what it is.

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I appreciate Brothers Boynton and Srilm answering the call. The article I linked made the point that some of the outfits ordering fly some of the roughest conditions on Earth--if they are convinced even if only on a preliminary basis that these new editions are the equal or better of the originals, then can Nature Air be far behind as they replace an aging (but still safe) fleet?
I'd love to see one of these with floats taxiing up to a resort's dock--"De plane, Boss, De plane!" I'm easily amused.

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Srilm wrote:

I used to work these suckers every year when they flew down to Antarctica

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Day-um Brother--is there any place you haven't been? Talk about well traveled! Lord have mercy!
BTW about Antarctica--I love any place that ends in "Tica".
This topic had more legs than I'd expected.

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Remember when flying a twin engine plane that if one engine fails the other one will almost always fly you directly to the crash site.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:03 am 
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Green Giant wrote:
Remember when flying a twin engine plane that if one engine fails the other one will almost always fly you directly to the crash site.


Not only is that true of many light twins, if your only landing opportunity is the side of a mountain in an engine out situation I don't care if one is in a flying brick with Chuck Yeager at the yoke the outcome is going to be bad. The only exception is light aircraft equipped with a ballistic parachute and no post-crash fire.

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Berk another point is that with twice as many parts in twins there is twice as much chance for failure of a critical one. KISS.

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Agreed, I jumped in to put forth some points that twins are not as much of an answer as the pilot is. And, even there, twins may have an advantage in that pilots generally have more training and experience. It is just not as clear cut a one might expect.

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Srilm wrote:
JazzboCR wrote:
Srilm wrote:

I used to work these suckers every year when they flew down to Antarctica

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Day-um Brother--is there any place you haven't been? Talk about well traveled! Lord have mercy!
BTW about Antarctica--I love any place that ends in "Tica".


One other thing is that most runways (including the one at San Jose Int'l) are built for large, fast-moving aircraft, so small, slow ones have so much extra runway and margin for error that a "running out of runway" accident is extremely unlikely.

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You ever fly into Quepos? That runway doesn't leave much room for error :shock: One time we were about to take off, and a horse was running back and forth across the runway, about half-way down. A couple of locals had to chase it away on mini-bikes.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 10:24 am 
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Srilm wrote:
....... The ballistic parachute on some singles is NOT designed to be used for engine-out landings. It was designed to be used in situations where aircraft control is lost, catastrophic airframe damage occurs, or a good landing site cannot be located (rare, as most singles can be force-landed on any patch of ground that is relatively smooth for a couple of hundred feet). The parachute is a last-ditch effort that will cause permanent loss of aircraft control in exchange for a relatively slow descent (although the aircraft will be damaged -- it won't be a soft landing). It's much better to fly your newly found glider to a controlled off-airport landing. Mountains can actually make the landing easier if done correctly as an aircraft landing on an upslope can land on a very small patch of land. Of course this requires proper pilot training and good judgment. If you've never been in an engine-out situation, the aircraft certainly doesn't fall like a brick. In fact, if you're up a few thousand feet in the air (typical even for a Caravan), it could take several minutes to reach the ground. The glide will be eerily slow, quiet and comfortable.

http://www.brsparachutes.com/lives_saved.aspx .........

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Where you got your info that a BRS chute is NOT designed to be used in an engine out situation is contrary to what you go on to write. I thought this discussion was in reference to flying in CR. I would love to see you or Chuck Yeager put a Caravan down on the side of a CR tree covered mountain and walk away.

For the non-pilots this is called hanger talk. We could be here for months and 300 pages and we still wouldn't get to all the fine points.

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