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Author:  Ramair4 [ Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:24 am ]
Post subject:  Another Airbus Crash
A Yemenia Airbus 310-300 jet with 153 people on board crashed into the Indian Ocean on Tuesday as it tried to land during strong winds on the island nation of Comoros.
At least three bodies were recovered, authorities said.
Author:  Jmacaula [ Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:33 am ]
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Im guessing the fact it was Yemenia airlines had more to do with it, then it being an airbus.
Author:  Irish Drifter [ Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:58 pm ]
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The vast majority of aircraft in commercial service at this time are either made by Airbus or Boeing so statically they are going to be involved in the majority of accidents.

This year January 1 until today there have been 4 Airbus crashes. One each for an A310/A320/A330 and A340. There have been 5 Boeing airplane crashes. 4 737's and 1 767.

Source: http://aviation-safety.net/index.php
Author:  HunterS [ Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:23 pm ]
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Irish Drifter wrote:
The vast majority of aircraft in commercial service at this time are either made by Airbus or Boeing so statically they are going to be involved in the majority of accidents.

This year January 1 until today there have been 4 Airbus crashes. One each for an A310/A320/A330 and A340. There have been 5 Boeing airplane crashes. 4 737's and 1 767.

Source: http://aviation-safety.net/index.php


I hate it when people use statistics to blur reality......yes those stats are correct.....HOWEVER.......Boeing had very few fatalities in their crashes and airbus has roughly ten fold or more the fatalities. Yet there are almost twice as many boeing jets in service as Airbus. Boeing jets are definitely safer, this is well known...ID dont try to blur the facts by using statistics concerning safety. Its too important a topic for playing games with. Boeing jets are safer period their is no argument to be had here. Move along.....
Jmac has a point thought airlines and pilots have a lot to do with raising the chance of an accident. If you read the book "outliers" by Malcom Galdwell you can read all about airplane accidents and why they happen.
Author:  Irish Drifter [ Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:38 pm ]
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HunterS wrote:
Boeing jets are definitely safer, this is well known...


and your facts to back up that statement are..................????? If you do not have any then it is opinion only
Author:  HunterS [ Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:44 pm ]
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Irish Drifter wrote:
HunterS wrote:
Boeing jets are definitely safer, this is well known...


and your facts to back up that statement are..................????? If you do not have any then it is opinion only

Add up the fatalities for 2009
do it again for 2008
do it again for 2007
all the way back to 1990 and you will find their are many more airbus fatalities per flight than Boeing.....That is a fact jack.
Not worth my time to argue the obvious. You want me to prove gravity as well...Boeing is safer period...... please some engineers back me up here.
For example in 2009 airbus had ten times the fatalities of airbus....
go ahead and take the airbus whatever....I always pick my flights with newer boeing jets its one way I can lower flight risk...
Author:  Irish Drifter [ Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:58 pm ]
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HunterS wrote:
Add up the fatalities for 2009
do it again for 2008
do it again for 2007
all the way back to 1990 and you will find their are many more airbus


Your trying to correlate safety with fatalities which is not a good tool to use. The proper statistics is crashes per million miles. This removes the anomalies of seating capacity, cargo rather then passenger flights, location of the incident which effect rescue efforts and a host of other things.

Just as an example of how fatalities can skew the equation take the accident in 1977 at Tenarife where a Pan Am and KLM 747 collided and burned up with a horrific loss of life. Obviously that would skew the statistics of the relative safety of the 747.

But as long as your happy flying late model Boeing aircraft that's fine. Oh, almost forgot to mention that of the four 737 accidents so far this year 2 of them were 800 series aircraft. :shock:
Author:  Californicationdude [ Tue Jun 30, 2009 6:38 pm ]
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Airbus has delivered over 200 A330/A340s and has contracts for over 400 more (enough for over 4 years work). The in-service Airbus fleet numbers over 2700 aircraft and the company claims to have cornered 50% of all orders for airliners over 100 seats and the company now employs around 45000 people.



However Boeing still outnumbers Airbus in terms of aircraft in service by almost 6 to 1.



Airbus was the first commercial aircraft to use "fly-by-wire" controls. One of the first all new designs in several decades, it is one of Airbus's best selling aircraft. The use of fly-by-wire allowed lower development costs on following designs, including the companies first long range aircraft, the A340....Although all this automation seems like a good idea, many pilots hate it, partly because they feel they are progressively being made obsolete, partly because they believe the software frequently behaves in illogical ways (especially in earlier designs), limiting the actions of the pilot to what the plane believes is sensible. This has been a contributing factor in several accidents.


http://everything2.com/title/Airbus
Author:  Irish Drifter [ Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:11 pm ]
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Californicationdude wrote:

However Boeing still outnumbers Airbus in terms of aircraft in service by almost 6 to 1.


Not surprising seeing how the first Airbus was delivered in 1979 and Boeing has been building jetliners since 1955. Airlines are naturally reluctant to commit big orders for a new company so it took awhile for Airbus to prove itself and get rolling. As you correctly pointed out Airbus has closed the gap and now competes on basically a level playing field.


As interesting as all that trivia is none of it addresses the relative safety of different manufactures, different models, different airlines and their degree of training and professionalism of pilots, maintenance staff, operations department, etc. I am very comfortable flying in an airliner made by Airbus, Boeing and even the few Mc Donald Douglas birds still around.

I worked for an airline that, in it's history, flew everything from WWII surplus C-54's to B747's and never had a fatal accident. Training and professionalism had a lot more to do with that record then aircraft manufacturers.
Author:  Western [ Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:47 pm ]
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Boeing commercial jet aircraft have been in revenue service since the 1950's. Airbus since the early 1970's. Also, you now have to add all McDonald Douglas aircraft to the Boeing total since the merger in the 1990's.

Just like this latest Airbus crash, many older aircraft end up in the hands of 3rd world carriers where maintenance and operations are often not up to mainstrean standards. You would not believe the things some of these carriers do with some of those airplanes!

My advice: Stick to a carrier with a good record. This Yemeni airline had been put on notice by the French in the past because of poor aircraft maintenance. Most American, European and other top carriers with international routes are a good bet. They have to meet the standards of the nations wherre they fly so they have to be up to snuff. Until recently, Quantas had never had a fatality.
Author:  JazzboCR [ Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:01 pm ]
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Not that it adds to this discussion materially, but wait 'til the Chinese enter the commercial airliner biz--lead paint, rotten drywall and all. However I do thank them for lowering the costs of silk shirts...
Author:  Herman [ Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Uncle Herman says
If its not Boeing I'm not going.
Author:  Nhhank [ Wed Jul 01, 2009 2:43 pm ]
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AA is flying the 757 from Miami for the slow season
In the winter it is an Airbus as of now???
I do not think you can base your travel plans on the planes being used on a route, unless you fly on an airline with only Boing equipment.

I D great link... If you are scared to fly DO NOT LOOK AT IT
My dos ballonies
Author:  Irish Drifter [ Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:42 pm ]
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Nhhank wrote:
AA is flying the 757 from Miami for the slow season
In the winter it is an Airbus as of now???


I checked for a flight in January and a flight in February and their web site shows 2 flight daily using 757 equipment and 1 flight using 767 equipment.

Use to really enjoy that run when they were using an A300. However I have never flown on a 767 so I might find that very enjoyable also. Unfortunately my next trip on AA has 3 757 legs and 1 MD80.
Author:  JazzboCR [ Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:25 pm ]
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Just don't plan to fly on a 787 Dreamliner anytime soon--they pushed back the delivery dates another 6 months or so...
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