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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:08 pm 
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Using FlightAware, Live Flight Tracker and Delta's own website, I see that the morning flight from Atlanta non stop to San Jose seldom if ever pulls out on time.
It is suppose to depart at 10:43 AM and arrive at 12:45PM.
This morning Delta's site said it departed at 11:08 AM and Flight Aware said it departed at 11:35AM. Flight Aware may have been using the actual wheels up time instead of the time it departed the gate and rolled into the waiting line to take off.

In any event it is always late in arriving if you are expecting to meet the plane or having someone meet you.

On the positive side, it is a big 767 with movies and entertainment and a meal and free alcohol for a change.

The crew is always friendly.

That helps since flying is such a big pain in the ass especially if you originate at Atlanta which has the worse, longest, biggest TSA screening proceedure in the USA since it has big crowds originating there.

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Ace.......... Delta's time is "from the gate" as in pulling back. FlightAware's time is from the moment the instrument flight plan is activated. Have you checked some other flights for the heck of it? I'll bet you will find FlightAware's time is always later than the airline's departure time.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:57 pm 
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That is the flight I use for almost all my trips. The vast majority of the time it is 20 to 45 minutes late. You can almost count on it. Why ? I have no idea. But on the good side an e-mail complaint to Delta usually gets me 500 frequent flyer miles.

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I'll vote that the tardiness of the flight is due to loading of cargo.

Delta is probably making more money with a cargo hold full of cargo than the upper cabin of passengers.


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Only hae flown them once in my 10 trips (free using points) Must of gotten lucky as I had no delays in either direction

Guess I should be glad I do not use Delta regularly from this thread

I am mostly a Taca flyer (Can't use them for my free trips unfortunately)


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:12 am 
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Delta 244 actually pulled out of the gate two minutes early today.

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And DL245 left SJO 1 min. early and arrived ATL 18 min. early, too bad I had to be on it. :(

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:52 am 
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Guys take Delta when you can . Do not be bothered by a delay. You are alive that is what is important. Many others would trade places. Fly Delta when you can A-1 always. Remember a pilot told you so. Another good idea buy some stock when they come out of BR . You will make $$$.


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So ....tell me Herman. Is Delta a nice place to work? :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 2:52 pm 
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Herman wrote:
Guys take Delta when you can . Do not be bothered by a delay. You are alive that is what is important. Many others would trade places. Fly Delta when you can A-1 always. Remember a pilot told you so. Another good idea buy some stock when they come out of BR . You will make $$$.


Herman are you saying that flying anyone other than Delta increases your chance of being involved in a fatal air crash???????

Perhaps you would like to provide some hard statistical data to back up that assertion. What I find fails to do so. Note some carriers like Southwest have never had a fatal accident.

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Airline Accident Rates
There are many factors that contribute to the safety rating of an airline including, but not limited to, accident history, maintenance and operational procedures, types of training programs, age of fleet, management, and specific routes flown. In addition, many accidents are caused by circumstances beyond the control of the airline, including, operations and instrumentation at airports, Air Traffic Controller errors, collisions with other aircraft that are at fault, sabotage, manufacturer's design flaws, weather or just plain bad luck. Even if all factors could be factored in, an airline accident is such a rare event that a valid safety rating would be difficult. Accidents are extremely rare, with the probability of a passenger being killed on a single flight at approximately eight million-to-one. If a passenger boarded a flight at random, once a day, everyday, it would be approximately 22,000 years before he or she would be killed.

The accident rates below are based on only three basic parameters. The number of flights, the number of fatal accidents and the fatality rate of those accidents.

Important Note! These accident rates should not be used to provide an accurate assessment of an airline’s safety profile and future risk of an accident. There are many additional factors in judging the safety of an air carrier which are not included here. These rates are not meant to endorse or condemn any particular airline or group of airlines nor are they intended to persuade or dissuade use of any particular airline. The accident rates and method of calculation of the accident rates are solely the opinion of this web site and the creator is not responsible for how this information is used and will not be held legally responsible for any consequences arising from the use of this information. There are numerous commercial organizations that provide complete and extensive safety ratings of commercial air carriers.


Data for 1986 - 2006
NORTH AMERICA

Regional
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Airline Last
Accident Million
Flights Fatal
Events Adj. Fatal
Event Accident
Rate Overall
Rank
1 - 87
1 Delta Airlines 1996 17.51 3 0.39 -7.96 1
2 Southwest Airlines - 14.16 0 0 -6.75 2
3 American Airlines 2001 17.41 5 4.06 -4.24 3
4 Continental Airlines/Cont. Exp. 1991 11.82 3 1.85 -3.79 4
5 United Airlines 2001 14.70 6 3.42 -3.59 5
6 US Airways 1994 13.88 4 3.22 -3.40 6
7 Northwest Airlines 1993 11.36 4 2.61 -2.81 7
8 America West Airlines - 4.24 0 0 -2.02 10
9 United Express 1996 9.21 3 2.50 -1.92 11
10 Air Canada (1983) 4.02 0 0 -1.92 12
11 Alaska Airlines/Horizon Air 2000 5.50 1 1 -1.62 16
12 American Eagle 1994 11.19 4 3.72 -1.62 17
13 Hawaiian Airlines - 1.40 0 0 -0.67 26
13 USAir Shuttle - 0.79 0 0 -0.38 36
15 Comair 2006 4.91 1 1 -0.34 37
16 Midwest Express Airlines (1985) 0.68 0 0 0.33 38
17 American Trans Air - 0.55 0 0 -0.26 43
18 JetBlue Airlines - 0.51 0 0 -0.24 44
19 AirTran Airways 1996 1.32 1 1 0.37 71
20 Aloha Airlines 1989 1.28 1 1 0.39 72




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Not so fast on the Southwest fatalities my friends.

A Recipe for Disaster

Initial Crash Analysis of the crash of Southwest Airlines Flight 1248,
Midway International Airport, Chicago, Illinois, on December 8, 2005

By Aviation Accident Attorneys, Ronald Goldman and Clark Aristei


Ronald L. M. Goldman was a lead attorney handling the discovery deposition efforts and Clark Aristei acted as lead plaintiffs' counsel for the Coordinated Discovery Cases in the Southwest Airlines Flight 1455 runway crash-landing in Burbank, California in 2000. That plane went off the runway, through barriers, crossed the street, hit a car, and came to rest mere feet from gasoline pumps at a service station. It is frighteningly similar to the Midway crash on December 8, 2005 in Chicago.

Baum Hedlund is investigating the airline accident at Chicago's Midway International Airport in which Southwest Airlines Flight 1248 crashed when it ran off Runway 31C which, due to its displaced threshold, only has 5826 feet of usable runway. The crash-landing occurred during a snowstorm. The Boeing 737 plowed through a fence and onto a busy street, striking several vehicles. The plane landed on top of a car, killing a young boy and injuring his family members. At least ten others were injured, including some passengers



I guess technically they haven't had a passenger fatality, but .....


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HolaB wrote:
I guess technically they haven't had a passenger fatality, but .....


Hard to explain the seemingly contradiction as the accident that you site occurred in 2005 and the figures purportedly cover the period 1986- 2006.

The criteria of the report is stated as:

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The accident rates below are based on only three basic parameters. The number of flights, the number of fatal accidents
and the fatality rate of those accidents.


That would seemingly include all fatalities in the accident just not those on the aircraft. Do not have the answer for why they show Southwest with no fatal accidents.

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As per Herman's suggestion, I think I'll change my non-stop AA flt that leaves at 10am and use DELTA which leaves at 5:30 am(from DFW) At least on DELTA I know that i'M gonna make it


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I thought that was strange as well, ommitting that particular fatality from that report.
None the less, I'm a big fan of SWA. Founder, Herb Kelleher used practical buisness sense to build the most profitable airline in the the US. Hell, he was even a lawyer at the time in San Antonio, he drew a triangle with Houston Dallas & SA on a paper napkin at the Petroleum Club and asked WTF. The rest is history.

He still enjoys his Turkey and Coke with a pack of cigs nearby and may be the most approachable CEO of a major company I have ever met. The stories are legendary, and his ability to motivate employee's is truely amazing, been fortunate to witness quite a few.

As for Delta, Hannkh, I'd keep that 10:15 DFW-SJ that flight is normally on time. The afternoon flight is historically late as it's AA's last flight and has many connecting flights that often delay it's 4:15 departure.
Also, a recent check shows Delta flies one of the older fleets in the air today.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:53 pm 
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Since I am retired now (can not fly after 60 ). It was great working there. I now fly standby so I was wrong telling you guys to fly Delta because you will fill up the planes and make it harder for me to fly. Irish Drifter is smarter than me and he is right I want all you guys to fly SouthWest to Costa Rica so my first class seat I usually get will be empty. By the way more people are killed by far going to or coming from airports than in an airplane related accident. So do not worry about the airline watch your driving. Thanks for the help. H


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