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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:52 pm 
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On my last trip, a regular at the SL mentioned that SL girls operate under the SL Code of Conduct. I had to scratch my head on this one.

If there is a code of conduct, I have to believe to it is a loose set of rules and expectations that are monitored through word of mouth by the hotel management. Since no cedullas are taken at the door, I don't see how there can be anything more formal.

If it exists, what exactly is the code of conduct? Is it something loose? - like keep our customers happy and we will keep you comfortable and happy. I have to believe that hanging at the SL is MUCH MORE comfortable than working at the shark tank (the DR). I also think they get discounts on their house tabs, which makes perfect sense.

Or, is it more formal? Hotel mgt routinely asks guys about performance and also routinely monitors this site for issues regarding performance, thievery and other related issues. If an issue is sited, mgt will take the girl aside and have a discussion. If a stealing incident is identified, mgt will send her out of the hotel on her ass, and she will be banned.

If it is more formal, do these girls understand what that means? Is it explained to them - or - do they just get this by word of mouth? Or, is it just understood that the SL is a classier place and they are expected to reciprocate by dressing classier and treating clients better?

Many of these girls hang at both the SL and DR. They will usually start at the SL around 7ish, if nothing is happening, they will head straight down to the shark tank. There is a group of 6 or so that were in the penthouse suite for a bachelor party. As soon as the party died down, they were lined up at the rail at the DR. Man these chicas move quick! Well so do I as I essentially followed them from the SL to the DR (in separate cabs) :lol: :lol:

The point that I'm trying to make is that these chicas move back and forth from the SL to the DR and vice versa. Shit - the burntout chica that crashed in my room with a combination of alcohol withdrawals and a panic attack showed up at the SL on Saturday afternoon. I was like WTF!!!! - what are you doing here? You look like shit. Have you been starving yourself and drinking all day/night again? She didn't last long and took off.

I would like to solicit opinions from CRT concerning code of conduct, but I'm especially interested in hearing from SL mgt.

When I pick-up a girl from the SL, I generally feel that I'm in better shape. My chances of having a good time are better. My chances of getting robbed or hasseled are much lower.

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I created this thread because of the comment by an SL regular and the following post on a different thread:

This incident is probably a good argument to stick with SL chicas. They would know that Bill would kick their asses out should they so misbehave.

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Chi,

Interesting post with a lot of food for thought. I highly doubt that any sort of formal "code of conduct" exists there. Back in the old days when there were fewer girls and less of a "scene", it did seem that hotel management took an active interest in customer satisfaction as far as their bar "patrons" went.

I have to admit I've been out of the game for a while, so take this with a grain of salt. To me, however, with the new expansion and concurrent increasing popularity with the chicas, it seems like the monitoring is not as diligent as before. And as far as banning, what actually is enforced is more like a temporary penalty, as I have seen at least three girls supposedly "banned" back working on the premises in recent months.

And you're right that there is a lot of filtering now between the SL and Del Rey, which didn't seem to be the case in the past. But you can't blame the chicas - they simply go where the money and the best prospects are.


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GetRhythm wrote:
...I highly doubt that any sort of formal "code of conduct" exists there......

I agree with GR's statement. There is probably no "formal" code of conduct, but I'm sure that there must be some type of "informal" or "unwritten" code of conduct at the SL.

When it comes to customer satisfaction, we all know that Bill and Johanna (and their staff) are outstanding in this area. But you also have to remember that these chica's are not 'employees', they are 'independent contractors'. Since they are not employed by the SL, they can't be fired. But Bill has every right to ban them from his establishment if he chooses to do so.

IMHO, there are always 'isolated' incidents in any establishment. The management at SL is not, in any way, blind to what goes on there. They know exactly what's happening, and I have no doubt that they will continue to monitor what goes on there, and will continue to take care of their customers. And I'm sure they will address any problems promptly, and fairly. This is one of the things that sets the SL apart from the others!

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Guys,
In order for changes to take place, you have to report incidents to management, whether it be SL, Pres, or any place else.

In trip reports, I often read about incidents, but they often seem to go unreported, probably because of skepticism that any action will be taken by those in power, similar to why victims don't report minor crimes to the police.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:34 pm 
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Chi_trekker wrote:

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If it exists, what exactly is the code of conduct? Is it something loose? - like keep our customers happy and we will keep you comfortable and happy. I have to believe that hanging at the SL is MUCH MORE comfortable than working at the shark tank (the DR). I also think they get discounts on their house tabs, which makes perfect sense.

Or, is it more formal? Hotel mgt routinely asks guys about performance and also routinely monitors this site for issues regarding performance, thievery and other related issues. If an issue is sited, mgt will take the girl aside and have a discussion. If a stealing incident is identified, mgt will send her out of the hotel on her ass, and she will be banned.


I believe the SJ mongering scene has a life of its own. In addition to us CRT members, there are various other stakeholders (e.g. business owners, the girls, other mongers, taxistas, touts and even the beggars) who "selfishly" compete in this arena. Each stakeholder maintains some degree of influence (some more than others) as to its economic direction and collective behavior. We always must keep in mind how we fit into the overall picture. To loosely paraphrase the economist, Adam Smith: “There is an ‘invisible hand’ that guides mongering in SJ.” For example, when CRT members tell a girl, “NO CIEN,” they are trying to hold the line on cost.

I happen to prefer SL and KL to other mongering venues in SJ because I feel most comfortable in these environments. IMHO, I believe the business owners AND clientele make these places the fine establishments that they are. When I have a specific issue with a place, I try to do a self-check before verbalizing my feelings to the owners…I may even throw it out to the forum for analysis and discussion by my peers. It is true, the business owners bear the lion’s share of responsibility for setting the tone, but we, the patrons, have a lot of influence, too! Where we choose to hang out, how we treat the staff and service providers, and what we are willing to pay for services rendered can dictate the relative success or failure of an establishment.

I, too, have noticed the “cross decking” of ladies among the BM, KL and SL…and their resulting changes in attitude and behavior. I have met sweet, lovely women at the SL and KL while enjoying a couple of drinks or a dance. When I see some of these same ladies again at the BM, they have morphed into, Cien-eating “fembots” that hardly resemble the sweet girls I remembered earlier in the evening. IMHO, they are only reacting to their environment of the moment…and setting their prices accordingly. Let us not forget the real underlying motive for these women being in these establishments in the first place…just as we shouldn’t forget ours! :?

So, getting back to the original point of this thread…Yes, I believe every establishment has its own unwritten “Code of Conduct” that is not only set by the management, but the clientele as well.

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