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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:44 am 
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Miamiheller wrote:
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- t's what some of us with a clue have been saying for ages now
Yet we have to wade through the "I don't feel unsafe" posts :roll: :roll

Fair or unfair - and I suspect you are pretty correct :) what we all can agree on is it has nothing to do with "security" at HLH - just sick of reading the posts and even if you had no knowledge of what was posted, could you not tell that there were other dynamics present :roll: :shock: :lol:


We can ll gree HLH is "safe" - we also can stipulate that the thread had zero to do w/ HLH security.

Scuba, I think you both are missing the point

This is about a "he said / he said" situation spilling over from the original thread.

Here are the facts: a CRTer accused a member of HLH's staff - and by extension Boyd -- of something.
Something unsavory. And he has implied - no, AFFIRMED - HLH harbors employees who engage in unsavory practices.

It is an allegation which as far as I know so far has no proof, only allegations from one person.

It is said that a lie repeated often enough can morph into the 'truth'. How else can one explain the birth of a thread about HLH security?

Because of that, people seem to have taken exception to the allegations.
People are chiming in here giving their opinion to demonstrate support for the accused parties.

By doing so they are countering the allegations and innuendo. That is the reason for the many "I feel safe" posts. These sort of allegations can be incredibly damaging to a hospitality business, and the "I feel safe" posters are doing their bit to present HLH in a different light.

Character assassination is best combated by character references.

Mh

P.S. By the way... You are clueless. :)



Nah, MH - and you can accuse me of many things, but "clueless" is not one of them - despite it, I still like you :)

The thread was about a disagreement over the delivery of cigars - - right, wrong, "real cubans", "fake cubans", someone not getting what they bargined for, whatever - never about the security of being or staying at HLH - thats why I posted as I did - the real reason for the thread came out - even though some - like me and Jazzbo, for example, figured it out - and again, it was due to a dispute over merchandise (cigars) and never - never over HLH security issues - guys misread (with some probable cause :roll: ) it, in large part because the OP (*******) left out a huge part of the "dispute" in the original post(s).

That's the story, plain and simple - I just got tired of the "I feel safe at HLH" posts b/c that was never the issue - Now you get it, and why I posted as i did :?: :lol: :P :)


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:47 am 
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Hey Y'all.......

The OP has ended all of this stuff.

I'm sure that Boyd would like to see it ended, as would many or most of of us other brothers. We have more important things to talk about.

Boyd deserves that much respect from us AND MORE.

So.........FORGET ABOUT IT !!!!!!!!

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:02 pm 
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My concern here with ********'s post had to do with the "reason" for the post- was it a friendly warning for the community or was there some indication of a personal vendetta. In other words, how credible is the information, do we have the whole story, and should this be seen as information to act on. Given the nature of the way it was presented, and his responses, I doubted we have the whole story, but figured it was worthy of consideration.

Yet, in ISG, he posted a couple of general insults to about, for example, the "CRT Dregs" and other disparaing remarks against all members of the board. he does not seem to respect us very much, so why did he want to warn us?

I think it is pretty clear we don't have an innocent victim here, and there is far more to the story than meets that eye.

For, for the recored, I DO think that HLH has always held something of sacred status here, and has received far too many passes over the years ( I have been going there for 8 years). If there are problems, they should be brought to light. If there is infomration about ANY venue that can help us make good decisions about where to stay, where to eat, where and who to Phuck, it should be presented and not held back due to critiquing one of the "in crowd."

That said, this one just has bullshit written all over it. Did a confrontation occur? I would guess so. Was it one poor innocent man being harrassed by a random thug? Sorry, I don't buy it. I am willing to bet there there is are some elements of truth in ********'s story, but that he was far more participatry in creating the confrontation than he reports, and it did not go down the way he says.

I was not there, so I can only add up the facts and see what seems right- his spewing anger at CRT on ISG seals the deal, for me...He has an agenda, and is at least somewhat full of shit...

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:04 pm 
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Zunbake3 wrote:
I vowed not to post here anymore but this is a serious topic and I felt I needed to put my 2 cents in. I am at the HLH now and everything at least to me is cool. Boyd has been friendly and gracious to me as always and as usual. Last night, while checking in one of my favoritas with Kelvin at the desk, Kelvin was very friendly and shook my hand as we know each other from the past. So I don't see any problems from my own personal view.


welcome back Zunbake. it's good to hear from you again! :D

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:46 am 
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I just finished talking to Kelvin about this thread. We had a good laugh.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:54 pm 
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Scuba1 wrote:
So if this is a fair summary, it doesn't have anything to do with HLH other than arguably having a security guy doing "collection work" on the side and the collectee was a known patron of HLH, all based on the premise of which version is credible.


Hey Buddy
At first I did want to know normally I always prefer to know about guards with guns possibly threatening clients :)

But as usual you are right to bad it lasted so long this is a personal vendetta because he (OP) couldn't get Boyd to bow to his ever important self and whatever trouble HE got himself in. It didn't take long to figure that out when the OP leaves out so much of the story. Sh**t and I don't know any of them.

It's character assassination at this point and if I was Boyd I would ban his ass.

Right as usual Rob take care brother!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:44 pm 
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As far as I`m concerned HLH in every department is better now since Boyd has taken it over. So come on guys lets talk about what is really important the CHICAS and their service at HLH.


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4. When responding to a thread think...Am I adding something of interest or assistance, or am I posting just to post.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:52 pm 
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Smelvis wrote:
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So if this is a fair summary, it doesn't have anything to do with HLH other than arguably having a security guy doing "collection work" on the side and the collectee was a known patron of HLH, all based on the premise of which version is credible.


Hey Buddy
At first I did want to know normally I always prefer to know about guards with guns possibly threatening clients :)

But as usual you are right to bad it lasted so long this is a personal vendetta because he (OP) couldn't get Boyd to bow to his ever important self and whatever trouble HE got himself in. It didn't take long to figure that out when the OP leaves out so much of the story. Sh**t and I don't know any of them.

It's character assassination at this point and if I was Boyd I would ban his ass.

Right as usual Rob take care brother!

Dave



Thanks Dave - appreciate the kind words :)


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:06 am 
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"I was pretty clear about the lead-up."

No, sorry, you were not - and that's what prompted all the "I feel safe at HLH" posts that had zero to do with the issue at hand, which was a business dispute over cigars - you might have posted it on another site, but if you did on CRT, I - and many others missed it. Cetainly not on this thread.

I have no issue with you, nor a dog in this fight, and believe that regardless of how thin you make a pancake, there are always 2 sides - but had you stated the facts vs a conversation between you and Kelvin that left many scratching their heads, much of this - and certainly the "I feel safe at HLH" could have been avoided.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:29 am 
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******* wrote:
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If it were simple slander I wanted, I could reach a hundred times the audience without bothering with CRT, and Boyd or his proxies would get no input. I'm hesitant to apply permanent solutions to what are possibly temporary problems.


Really, than why did you post this on ISG?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:54 am 
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THE NEXT POST ON THIS SUBJECT sucks


+ 1....


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:18 am 
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I honestly feel all parties have been heard from here and that there is not much left to discuss at this point on the topic. It has been covered to its full extent with each party getting their say and two cents.

I believe honestly that is enough.

Unless something new or something absolutely needs to be said is added. I would prefer that there is no further discussion on the topic. Everyone has had a chance to have their say what is being put out now is rehash of the same thing over and over.

Enough already.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:11 pm 
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As you all know, sometimes in the past, I have posted some off the wall type topics. I no longer drink scotch, or as much.

However,...even I have to say,...ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!!....Damn IT BLAGO!!!!!! Know when to quit!!!

Also as a side note, bought a Mercedes today. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:24 pm 
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fwiw i have been around boyd on numerous occasions and he has never attacked me

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