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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 2:56 am 
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That's true; I do keep mentioning the Pangea Hostel ...
Actually, I've seen both spellings used but evidently there is a difference between the two of which I was not aware:

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Difference from hostels
Though the word hostal is similar to hostel, the two words refer to different types of accommodation. Hostel refers to properties that offer shared accommodation, typically in dormitories, while hostal refers to a type of family-run pension typically common only in Spain and a few other Spanish-speaking countries. Confusingly, the word hostel will sometimes mistakenly be spelled hostal in some Latin American countries when hostel is what is meant.

BTW, I have to grant you that those were all strong well-thought out counterarguments however I still say I doubt you'll find many takers around here. Have you actually ever been in the Pangea Hostel to check it out for yourself? I confess I haven't, but I have stayed at other hostels including one similarly well-reviewed, "amenity large" one in Managua. It had a nice pool just like the Pangea and was alright as far as hostels go but was not quite as impressive as its website and other promotions made it out. The beds were cheap and flimsy metal tube frame bunkbeds with thin mattresses and worn out strapping (common in most hostels I've seen) but at least it didn't have any bedbugs like I've seen on some reports for the Pangea. Surprisingly, at the time I happened to be a refugee from a Managua hotel (costing nearly twice as much as that hostel) that actually had bedbugs that ate me alive within 5 minutes of lying down (the first and only time I've ever encountered anything like that and something I suspect few CRTers have ever experienced either) and I've sworn I'd never expose myself to the possibility of getting bitten by those again if I knew in advance a place was reported to have them, which is probably the main reason I'm so wary of the Pangea.

The other interesting thing about my stay at the hostel in Managua, was that I actually did bring back my young nica "novia" to share the private room I booked there (had to pay for 2 people but because they were underbooked I got the dorm room rate). And how many other guys around here can say they've ever taken a working girl back to a hostel? The other guests were in fact more blase about it than I had feared (the guys seemed pretty happy to have a young hottie hanging out by the pool and the 1 (ugly) gringa that was staying there at the time seemed happy to have a chica to practice her spanish on). It may have also helped that, despite our large age difference and the fact that she was a local, it was not completely apparent exactly what our relationship was (e.g. she stayed all night rather than leaving after 1-2 hours like some rent-a-girl). Still I don't think it is something I'd likely ever do again. And, if I was staying in a dorm room with other guests, I'd certainly never do that or for that matter "well score" with other residents even if I were younger and better equipped to pull it off, as I'm not really into putting on a show for my roommates.

Personally, in the future I think I'll just stick with albergues. :P


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 10:04 pm 
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Estebanh wrote:
Joker,
Do you really consider this a safe walk (from Freebird to Del Rey)? Its a pretty sketchy area even during the day plus you have to walk through all the street rif-raff in that area


If you feel that walking from Freebird to the HDR during the day is unsafe then perhaps you best not bother coming to San Jose.
Estebanh,
If you feel that certain members are dickwads and you can't deal with them or else accept them for the dickwads they are then perhaps you best not bother coming to San Jose. jk :P :lol: Before anybody reacts and gets their panties in a twist, I should clarify that I'm not saying whether any particular member is actually a wad from a dick or not and not saying Estebanh overreacted when questioning the safety of that walk, though he now admits he may have. I'm just poking a little fun at everybody.
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Hailceasar,
As long as I'm clarifying possible misunderstandings, I hope you don't consider my posts to be one of those unfairly negative ones. I think I was quite clear from the start of it that I had never sactually stayed at your "Hotel" and that all my subsequent comments were directed at my particular limited experience outside your property. I did speculate on possible reasonable explanations for what happened (that registered guests had keys and/or entry codes), which turned out to be exactly correct. And I expressed my own personal (and I think understandable) reservations about staying at a place that didn't even seem to have anyone on duty during the day to answer the door. You've since explained your way of doing business and I can accept that. Perhaps, it might have avoided my confusion, and possibly that of others', if you referred to your business as a "Guesthouse" rather than a traditional "Hotel", as BK suggested more aptly described your operation.
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Lastly to HikerTom,
Since I'm on the subject of terminology, I don't think the term "Hostal" always means the same thing to people in some other countries like CR that it does to us here in the US (just as a "Motel" is something very different south of the Rio Grande). For us, or me anyway, a "Hostal" connotes sleeping on a bunk bed in a dorm room with a shared bathroom, or usually only at best a rather simple private room with a shared bath. While the Tiquicia (and the Freebird) at worst has standard private rooms with shared baths (perhaps a bit like the upper end at hostals) it also offers deluxe private rooms with their own baths. Besides, there are also small upscale B&B's in the US that only offer rooms with shared baths (often the case with converted country homes), so that aspect does not necessarily make a place a "Dive". At least based on their room pics from their websites, the rooms at both the Freebird and Tiquicia seem much nicer than what one would normally expect from a "Hostal". What's more, despite whatever you think you saw, the picture of their building on their website clearly identifies them as a "Hotel" any way (check for yourself).

As for the lack of response to your inquiry through the Freebird website, that was certainly unfortunate (as was the lack of response I got when I appeared there physically) but non-responses by businesses in CR to communications over the web are not that unusual. Perhaps, you might try calling them directly next time rather than submitting an on-line form from a website that might not even be working properly. Anyway, we probably shouldn't necessarily rule them out because of that.

It's true that basically there's a threshold point where "cheap SJ hotel" DOES mean a dive but apparently that point is different for each of us. Again, we're talking terminology here. For me the term "dive" means a sleazy or disreputable establishment (such as a place where most of the neighbors on the other side of the paper thin walls are hookers and johns who have rented their rooms by the hour, like the Hotel Asia) or it could mean a dirty fleabag flophouse. Both the Tiquicia and the Freebird rent by the night or longer, have respectable guests just like you or me, I think we can assume are reasonably clean and at least certainly don't have any bedbugs and have rooms that are furnished and decorated much nicer than any cell-like room only good for flopping down in.

I was probably a bit unfair in my criticism of the Freebird, but IMHO you're REALLY applying overly critical standards for what are really lower economy HOTEL/GUESTHOUSE options that are NOT "dives"



If you look at our building sign it says, "The Freebird"...no mention of hotel. The CRT ad & on our website there is "no mention that we are a hotel." In fact our website on the home page clearly states, "A Private Residence Offering Luxury Accommodations."


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:08 am 
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I just went to your website and could not find anywhere, on the home page or anywhere else, where you said it was a "private residence". Okay, it didn't EXACTLY say anywhere that it was a hotel either, but then again it didn't exactly say anywhere that it wasn't (though you did compare yourself to other(?) hotels). Oh yeah, and your original website address was http://www.hotelfreebird.com, which still works as a redirect, and there was no mention of the fact that you were suddenly no longer a hotel when you announced the change in web address. BTW, your current website does NOT explain anywhere on its FAQ page or anywhere else I could find how it differs from a regular hotel, but DOES list typical reservation and cancellation policies, hotel taxes AND regular office hours (which included the hour I tried to visit). Also, it does NOT say anywhere that I could find about not taking walk-ins (or Frenchmen :P) In fact the only mention that I could find about REQUIRING advance notice was for those checking in during NON-business hours. AND it does quite clearly say right at the bottom of its Aboutus page "We cordially invite you to visit soon!" :roll:

Maybe you should change your sign or at least your website to read "Freebird GUESTHOUSE" to make it CLEARER what you really are because, while YOU may never refer to your home as a hotel, some of your former guests HAVE clearly failed to make that distinction in some of their posts and HAVE incorrectly referred to your place as "Hotel Freebird" or "Freebird Hotel" on NUMEROUS occasions. And many others, who may not have even stayed there, have repeated the same thing.

http://costaricaticas.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=19914&hilit=hotelfree+bird (the original post by Admin1 himself introducing you as a VIP sponsor which is also a sticky thread near the top of the VIP Discount section in which you posted several times but never corrected his mistake)
http://costaricaticas.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=32855&p=363870&hilit=+freebird+hotel+#p363870
http://costaricaticas.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=33189&p=368027&hilit=+freebird+hotel+#p368027
http://costaricaticas.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=33189&p=368825&hilit=freebrird+hotel#p368825
http://costaricaticas.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=32477&p=359569&hilit=freebird+hotels#p359569
http://costaricaticas.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29786&p=321724&hilit=+freebird+hotel+#p321724
http://costaricaticas.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=29733&p=320950&hilit=+freebird+hotel+#p320950
http://costaricaticas.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=29429&hilit=+freebird+hotel+
http://costaricaticas.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29146&p=316951&hilit=+freebird+hotel+#p316951
http://costaricaticas.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=32636&p=360799&hilit=+freebird+hotel+#p360799 (I don't think he's ever actually stayed with you but the well-meaning JB does seem to be one of your leading promoters and he REGULARLY refers to your place as a hotel)
And these are just some of the many instances I easily found where the words Freebird and Hotel were juxtaposed. There are also too many instances to even begin to mention where the Freebird is listed right along with various hotels as if it is just another one, with no distinction made on how it is actually much more like a Guesthouse.

You've made it sound like I made foolish and baseless assumptions, but clearly I hadn't since you can now see where I got the impression I did. I realize you have no direct control on what other people say, but the fact remains that the misunderstanding IS out there. And, if you don't want that misunderstanding to persist, then perhaps you need to do something more to stop it before it starts or squash it once it does. I'm not saying that would be easy or even that there is much you could do, other than to simply recognize that the misimpression is out there and to just accept it. But making it CLEARER in the media you DO control (your signage, website and other direct promotion) that you're SPECIFICALLY NOT a hotel, rather than to just leave that word out and expect everyone else to automatically understand how you're different, would be one good place to start. IMHO, claiming that it is not your problem simply because you never specifically used the word hotel, while everything else in your promotion makes you sound like exactly that, comes off to me as pretty lame. Why don't you just admit that you could have made it a little clearer than you have? That MINOR fault or oversight doesn't mean you're a bad place to stay, only that guests should come with different expectations.

Speaking only for myself, I WAS seriously interested in staying at your hotel but, when I encountered such unexpected non-responsiveness when I went to check it out that day, I crossed your place right off my list of possible places to stay. Now that I have a much better understanding of what you're REALLY about from your explanation here, I might AGAIN seriously consider staying with you. That is IF you'd still have me as I see that you're QUITE selective in who you'll let in. I promise my subsequent review will NOT describe you as just another HOTEL.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 12:31 pm 
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It's true I have mentioned the Freebird frequently and was semi-fooled into thinking it was a conventional hotel--my mistake. My mentions aren't promoting in the traditional sense--it is a lower cost alternative and I just don't want a Chica-friendly Sponsor venue to get lost in the shuffle. For all I know the venue is booked solid 100% of the time. I also mention the Hotel Tiquicia frequently for pretty much the same reason, though I understand it to be more a B & B than a full-service hotel and, no, I haven't stayed their either, Hotel Dunn Inn loyalist that I am.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:39 pm 
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Funny how a thread that starts with an very non controversial question becomes a thread with much ado about nothing. :roll:

Couldn't been any funnier then if old Willie actually wrote some of it. :P :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:22 pm 
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Hailceasar wrote:
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also you have to pay cash upfront at freebird, and $200 security deposit cash up front, you get a code for gate......
We do not take walkin business, couples, Ch*ldren or the French.


No soup for you!

What about French Canadians? I find that they can be worse than the genuine French.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:24 pm 
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And THE most patriotic of the French live about 6 miles off Newfoundland, Canada; the Collectivity of St. Pierre and Miquelon are Overseas Departments of France, and every man over 12 volunteered to fight in WW II when France was invaded. Hyper-patriotic. Amazing stuff you learn as a stamp collector.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Pierre_and_Miquelon

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