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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 12:43 pm 
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I've started a bunch of Threads about this and that, some total ya-ya.; sure glad I started this one. Amazing amount of info shared here. Thanks to all

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:39 pm 
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Good thread indeed
Now a question? :?: The Twin Otter is is now back in production I gather.
Is Nature Air buying new aircraft, or is it good news to them because the plane is back in production and parts will be more availible?

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I like Nature Air
Never done Sansa
One Point that is missed here is that Nature Air flies out of Paves alot closer to town than SJO
I will give one other heads up. Regardless of your small plane ride of choice, fly in the morning when the air is calm

The ride is fun in clear conditions,get a seat under the wing and watch the brake rotor go red hot :D


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 9:47 pm 
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Is it just me or does this whole conversation seem ridiculous?
You are basically assuming your airplane is going to crash :shock: :?

The whole discussion has been almost a..."when the aircraft crashes, id rather be on an XX because".


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 9:55 pm 
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Jmacaula wrote:
You are basically assuming your airplane is going to crash :shock: :?

I don't know if I'd go that far Brother Jmac but if it does, it's good to know you'll survive it because of aircraft sturdiness and safety devices, and pilot training. I found this Thread reassuring, not fear-mongering
Left unsaid in Brother Srilm et al.'s discussion of that parachute is whether Sansa/ Nature Air's planes are thus equipped? Is there a requirement that they be? Is that requirement being met?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:14 am 
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Agree with Brother Srilm--Just shake my head at people boarding a flight like they were getting on a cross-town bus. Doubt I'd do heroic measures for them.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:15 am 
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If you visit it, you will see that almost every instance of chute usage is loss of control, structural failure, or "unlandable terrain". In those instances where "engine out -- unlandable" is the reason, note the low altitudes where the chute was deployed -- those pilots properly used the chute as a last resort, close to the ground. I have been to the Cirrus and BRS displays at fly-ins and they will specifically tell you that loss of engine is NOT a reason to pull the chute. One BRS rep even told me that you should consider the chute lever as a "pilot becomes passenger" lever. Once the chute is pulled , the pilot loses complete control of the aircraft.


I did read/scan the instances where the chute was pulled in an engine out situation on the BRS website (18 different cases). You made a blanket statement regarding engine out situations and pulling the chute. For example, I never recommended that in any engine out situation the chute is the first and best option if the engine fails yet you assume that to be true.

Is there an instance where the engine fails and a pilot reasonably concludes his BEST option is to ride to the ground vertically? You would have to answer YES. Now, the multitude of factors that would contribute to such a decision are many, but 2 critical factors would be landing terrain and altitude. Even if one was at 3,000'agl that's no guarantee there is a suitable spot below. Would, though, it be reasonable to pull at that altitude. Probably not. 800'agl and all you have is a dense forest on the steep side of a mountain including the valley below for 10 miles in any direction (Costa Rica)? I'll take 20 kts vertical as a passenger than 50kts horizontal into a tree.

I've been pulling carb heat since the 70's. I've been to the fly-ins even Oshkosh when BRS showed up on the scene before Cirrus starting packing. The blanket statement that an engine out is NEVER a reason to pull the chute is inaccurate.

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