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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:37 am 
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It's Official - America Now Enforces Capital Controls
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 03/28/2010 14:27 -0500


It couldn't have happened to a nicer country. On March 18, with very little pomp and circumstance, president Obama passed the most recent stimulus act, the $17.5 billion Hiring Incentives to Restore Employment Act (H.R. 2487), brilliantly goalseeked by the administration's millionaire cronies to abbreviate as HIRE. As it was merely the latest in an endless stream of acts destined to expand the government payroll to infinity, nobody cared about it, or actually read it. Because if anyone had read it, the act would have been known as the Capital Controls Act, as one of the lesser, but infinitely more important provisions on page 27, known as Offset Provisions - Subtitle A—Foreign Account Tax Compliance, institutes just that. In brief, the Provision requires that foreign banks not only withhold 30% of all outgoing capital flows (likely remitting the collection promptly back to the US Treasury) but also disclose the full details of non-exempt account-holders to the US and the IRS. And should this provision be deemed illegal by a given foreign nation's domestic laws (think Switzerland), well the foreign financial institution is required to close the account. It's the law. If you thought you could move your capital to the non-sequestration safety of non-US financial institutions, sorry you lose - the law now says so. Capital Controls are now here and are now fully enforced by the law.

Let's parse through the just passed law, which has been mentioned by exactly zero mainstream media outlets.

Here is the default new state of capital outflows:

(a) IN GENERAL.—The Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by inserting after chapter 3 the following new chapter:

‘‘CHAPTER 4—TAXES TO ENFORCE REPORTING ON CERTAIN FOREIGN ACCOUNTS
‘‘Sec. 1471. Withholdable payments to foreign financial institutions.
‘‘Sec. 1472. Withholdable payments to other foreign entities.
‘‘Sec. 1473. Definitions.
‘‘Sec. 1474. Special rules.
‘‘SEC. 1471. WITHHOLDABLE PAYMENTS TO FOREIGN FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS.

‘‘(a) IN GENERAL.—In the case of any withholdable payment to a foreign financial institution which does not meet the requirements of subsection (b), the withholding agent with respect to such payment shall deduct and withhold from such payment a tax equal to 30 percent of the amount of such payment.

Clarifying who this law applies to:

‘‘(C) in the case of any United States account maintained by such institution, to report on an annual basis the information described in subsection (c) with respect to such account,
‘‘(D) to deduct and withhold a tax equal to 30 percent of—

‘‘(i) any passthru payment which is made by such institution to a recalcitrant account holder or another foreign financial institution which does not meet the requirements of this subsection, and

‘‘(ii) in the case of any passthru payment which is made by such institution to a foreign financial institution which has in effect an election under paragraph (3) with respect to such payment, so much of such payment as is allocable to accounts held by recalcitrant account holders or foreign financial institutions which do not meet the requirements of this subsection.

What happens if this brand new law impinges and/or is in blatant contradiction with existing foreign laws?

‘‘(F) in any case in which any foreign law would (but for a waiver described in clause (i)) prevent the reporting of any information referred to in this subsection or subsection (c) with respect to any United States account maintained by such institution—

‘‘(i) to attempt to obtain a valid and effective waiver of such law from each holder of such account, and
‘‘(ii) if a waiver described in clause (i) is not obtained from each such holder within a reasonable period of time, to close such account.

Not only are capital flows now to be overseen and controlled by the government and the IRS, but holders of foreign accounts can kiss any semblance of privacy goodbye:

‘‘(c) INFORMATION REQUIRED TO BE REPORTED ON UNITED STATES ACCOUNTS.—
‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—The agreement described in subsection (b) shall require the foreign financial institution to report the following with respect to each United States account maintained by such institution:
‘‘(A) The name, address, and TIN of each account holder which is a specified United States person and, in the case of any account holder which is a United States owned foreign entity, the name, address, and TIN of each substantial United States owner of such entity.
‘‘(B) The account number.
‘‘(C) The account balance or value (determined at such time and in such manner as the Secretary may provide).
‘‘(D) Except to the extent provided by the Secretary, the gross receipts and gross withdrawals or payments from the account (determined for such period and in such manner as the Secretary may provide).

The only exemption to the rule? If you hold the meager sum of $50,000 or less in foreign accounts.

‘‘(B) EXCEPTION FOR CERTAIN ACCOUNTS HELD BY INDIVIDUALS.—Unless the foreign financial institution elects to not have this subparagraph apply, such term shall not include any depository account maintained by such financial institution if—
‘‘(i) each holder of such account is a natural person,and
‘‘(ii) with respect to each holder of such account, the aggregate value of all depository accounts held (in whole or in part) by such holder and maintained by the same financial institution which maintains such account does not exceed $50,000.

And, while we are on the topic of definitions, here is how "financial account" is defined by the US:

‘‘(2) FINANCIAL ACCOUNT.—Except as otherwise provided by the Secretary, the term ‘financial account’ means, with respect to any financial institution—
‘‘(A) any depository account maintained by such financial institution,
‘‘(B) any custodial account maintained by such financial institution, and
‘‘(C) any equity or debt interest in such financial institution (other than interests which are regularly traded on an established securities market). Any equity or debt interest which constitutes a financial account under subparagraph (C) with respect to any financial institution shall be treated for purposes of this section as maintained by such financial institution.

In case you find you do not like to be subject to capital controls, you are now deemed a "Recalcitrant Account Holder."

‘‘(6) RECALCITRANT ACCOUNT HOLDER.—The term ‘recalcitrant account holder’ means any account holder which—
‘‘(A) fails to comply with reasonable requests for the information referred to in subsection (b)(1)(A) or (c)(1)(A),
or ‘‘(B) fails to provide a waiver described in subsection (b)(1)(F) upon request.

But guess what - if you are a foreign Central Bank, or if the Secretary determined that you are "a low risk for tax evasion" (unlike the Secretary himself) you still can do whatever the hell you want:

‘‘(f) EXCEPTION FOR CERTAIN PAYMENTS.—Subsection (a) shall not apply to any payment to the extent that the beneficial owner
of such payment is—
‘‘(1) any foreign government, any political subdivision of a foreign government, or any wholly owned agency or instrumentality of any one or more of the foregoing,
‘‘(2) any international organization or any wholly owned agency or instrumentality thereof,
‘‘(3) any foreign central bank of issue, or
‘‘(4) any other class of persons identified by the Secretary for purposes of this subsection as posing a low risk of tax evasion.

One thing we are confused about is whether this law is a preamble, or already incorporates, the flow of non-cash assets, such as commodities, and, thus, gold. If an account transfers, via physical or paper delivery, gold from a domestic account to a foreign one, we are not sure if the language deems this a 30% taxable transaction, although preliminary discussions with lawyers indicates this is likely the case.

And so the noose on capital mobility tightens, as very soon the only option US citizens have when it comes to investing their money, will be in government mandated retirement annuities, which will likely be the next step in the capital control escalation, which will culminate with every single free dollar required to be reinvested into the US, likely in the form of purchasing US Treasury emissions such as Treasuries, TIPS and other worthless pieces of paper.

Congratulations bankrupt America - you are now one step closer to a thoroughly non-free market.

Full HIRE Act text:
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/its-of ... l-controls

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March 27, 2010

Disturbing new U.S. law aims to end individual foreign bank accounts

Thanks to my good friend Paul McBride for bringing this latest attack against freedom to my attention. I had posted some time earlier this year about this potential legislation, but was not aware it is now the law of the land. Here is his email from Paul and a copy of the new law in PDF at the end. The law is aimed at foreign bank account holders and those sending money outside the U.S.. This could affect peoples ability to buy homes outside the country. It will certainly affect their ability to have an account offshore. What banks wants to deal with this?

In answer to his question on what I think about this? It sucks!

Sam, in all the controversy surrounding the recently passed health care bill in the U.S., another piece of legislation was pushed through Congress (and signed by the President) that will have a far reaching impact on anyone thinking about buying real estate or investing overseas.

The name of the bill is the Hiring Incentives to Restore Employment Act (H.R. 2487) commonly known as the HIRE Act. This is the jobs incentive bill that was signed by the President on March 18th amid little fanfare.

Relatively small by Washington standards (“just” an $18 billion stimulus package) the bill was drafted to provide incentives to employers to hire more people but contains some very disturbing language concerning the ownership and transference of money to any overseas account. The truly galling part of the bill is that it attempts to require “foreign financial and non-financial institutions to withhold 30% of payments made to such institutions by U.S. individuals unless such institutions agree to disclose the identity of such individuals and report on the bank transactions”.

Think about this – the U.S. government is attempting to strong arm foreign financial and non-financial institutions (think banks and law firms) to either withhold 30% of the transactions in a U.S. individual’s account (and presumably remit this to the U.S. Treasury) or disclose the account details to the U.S.. The language of the bill addresses both bank accounts and any foreign trusts (ie- Private Interest Foundations).

But what if a foreign, sovereign country has laws against the disclosure of this information? Well, the bill contemplates this as well. Here’s the actual language from the bill:

‘‘(F) in any case in which any foreign law would (but
for a waiver described in clause (i)) prevent the reporting
of any information referred to in this subsection or subsection
(c) with respect to any United States account maintained
by such institution—
‘‘(i) to attempt to obtain a valid and effective
waiver of such law from each holder of such account,
and
‘‘(ii) if a waiver described in clause (i) is not
obtained from each such holder within a reasonable
period of time, to close such account.” (my emphasis)

In other words, under this legislation, a U.S. citizen having an account with a foreign institution will be required to waive the privacy protection afforded by local law. If they fail to do this, the financial or non-financial institution is required to close the account.

And what information do they want. Here again is the actual language of the bill:

‘‘(c) INFORMATION REQUIRED TO BE REPORTED ON UNITED
STATES ACCOUNTS.—
‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—The agreement described in subsection
(b) shall require the foreign financial institution to report the
following with respect to each United States account maintained
by such institution:
‘‘(A) The name, address, and TIN of each account holder
which is a specified United States person and, in the case
of any account holder which is a United States owned
foreign entity, the name, address, and TIN of each substantial
United States owner of such entity.
‘‘(B) The account number.
‘‘(C) The account balance or value (determined at such
time and in such manner as the Secretary may provide).
‘‘(D) Except to the extent provided by the Secretary,
the gross receipts and gross withdrawals or payments from
the account (determined for such period and in such
manner as the Secretary may provide).

Keep in mind Sam, this is not proposed legislation. This is already law.

There is much, much more in this bill. I’ve attached a PDF file containing the language of the bill. The important information can be seen if you scroll down to section on page 27 of the bill entitled:

TITLE V—OFFSET PROVISIONS
Subtitle A—Foreign Account Tax
Compliance
PART I—INCREASED DISCLOSURE OF
BENEFICIAL OWNERS
SEC. 501. REPORTING ON CERTAIN FOREIGN ACCOUNTS.

As we have suspected for some time, the U.S. government is closing the window for U.S. citizens to protect their assets by moving them offshore. It won’t be long before it will be punitively expensive to move any amount of money overseas for any purpose.

I haven’t seen this legislation discussed anywhere on the Internet and I think it would be a good story for the blog. Sadly, America is losing its freedoms and its citizens are standing meekly by while the noose of government control gets tighter and tighter.


Download HIRE Act of 3-18-10


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Mike said...
What A coincidence Obama passes capital constraints and then SEIU comes out and says that the U.S. pension plan system is flawed and that all private pensions need to nationalized.the legislation is currently being drafted by the Economic policy institute. It won't be long until most private wealth will be nationalized or confiscated via taxes or inflation. I am personally "Unbanked". I recommend others do the same. Place some of your wealth in gold which is portable. Not having a bank account in Panama or elsewhere is not essential. Being able to move your wealth is. A private well hidden safe is a must. It should be "Rigged" so that if someone discovers its location they won't be sharing that info with anyone. There are dark days ahead for America and the ignorance, complacency and apathy of the American people will come back to haunt them. This administration is taking liberties at an astonishing rate. When they let the system collapse they will already have a socialist, facist framework in place ready to go. Here is the link about the coming IRA , 401K confiscations. Anyone who thiks it can't happen needs to remeber the recent healthcare bill or Roosevelts confiscation of private gold.

http://moneynews.com/StreetTalk/unions- ... /id/328862

Reply March 27, 2010 at 06:48 PM George Richards said in reply to Mike...
Sam, I hope you're reading this because you are the one who controls these postings at the source in VE. It's possible that, of all the important issues you've brought to light on this blog, that this issue is the most important one ever. It is essential that it be analyzed in a careful and deliberate manner. If the initial interpretations are correct, and this bill was slipped through during the distraction of "health care reform", and is in fact the capital constraint legislation that seasoned economic experts have been predicting and dreading since the downturn began, then this thread has to be filtered voluntarily by all the users to avoid backing things up with a lot of speculation, unadvised opinion and thanks to Sam for bringing it to our attention. Sam knows how much we appreciate him. A new law, as written, always has room for interpretation and enforcement. Let's let the qualified attorneys and tax experts that attend this forum study this bill and comfirm or deny what has already been speculated about regarding future capital movement over the US border. I swear by the almighty forces that control the universe, that if I have a window of opportunity to extract my net worth from my home country before this law goes into effect, I'm going to spend every waking hour finding the safest way and place to do it and then exit. I hate this "every man for himself" attitude that events have forced upon us but we have our families to protect. Remember that it's going to be impossible for anyone to predict the future and all the aspects of life that could be affected by this biil. For people like us who are not living with our heads in the sand, it will be of the utmost importance moving forward.

Reply March 29, 2010 at 10:30 AM Just Do It said...
Anyone who has made it to this website, or many other similar really needs to follow-thru and leave the USA.

I think this is the strongest possible statement, resistance or 'vote' one can make.

As well as doing your part to tell everyone about it and what the USA has become when asked.

Reply March 27, 2010 at 07:04 PM Mike said...
I am sharing this recent development with everyone I know. People need to get liquid, take the tax hit and get your 401k and IRA'S OUT NOW!!! The new capital constraints will only get worse and will impact Panama's struggling real estate market. Neither Developers or investors had any Idea 5 years ago that this new Obama dynamic would come into play. History is full of recent examples of people who were in denial Stalin's Russia, Hitler's Germany, Mao's china, Mussolini's Italy and others. People waited until it was to late and millions perished.

Reply March 27, 2010 at 07:45 PM Frank H said...
If you are a US citizen, be afraid, be very, very afraid. This is major step toward impeding dollars from leaving the US. Although, not labeled a currency restriction, it is. Given our level of unmanageable debt, Feds will need to deal with capital flight over time as it becomes more challenging for Treasury to manage the debt load. Its yet another major encroachment upon our freedoms.

The major banks I've contacted here in Panama say they are studying the ramifications of the legislation but, expect it will have significant consequence for US citizen's deposits and the desirability of continuing a business relationship with them. The added accounting required of them is well beyond what ANY OTHER GOVERNMENT dewmands now, or has ever demanded. This is much more than Treasury demands from US banks for their US domiciled clients. All they require for a US account is a 1099 once a year.

If anyone has anything factual about Panama's banks intentions, I'd appreciate a heads up.

Reply March 27, 2010 at 09:05 PM Keith said...
My attorneys here in Panama mentioned last week that two of the banks that they typically deal with will no longer be opening personal accounts for US citizens.

Reply March 27, 2010 at 09:24 PM Mike said...
Sam I took the liberty of sharing this info with a well read blogspot. I hope you don't mind.
http://thecomingdepression.blogspot.com/

Reply March 27, 2010 at 10:45 PM azalea said...
This seems to be an attack on Panamanian banking privacy. How can they impose this on a sovereign nation? And no, it is not like Switzerland since Panamanian banks don't hold tax evasion seminars in the US. The US govt knows that there are thousands of retirees abroad that need a foreign bank account in order to survive.

Reply March 27, 2010 at 11:26 PM Boomers Abroad said...
Thank You very much for this interesting article Sam. It is important to be aware and know about this.
We will let know to the members of Boomers Abroad Online Community and Social Network about this and will post a link to your article.

Connecting Baby Boomers Worldwide! Share your experiences abroad with us at http://www.boomersabroad.com


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Unions Want to Take Over Your 401(k)

Tuesday, 17 Mar 2009 11:04 AM Article Font Size
By: Gene J. Koprowski


One of the nation's largest labor unions, the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), is promoting a plan that will centralize all retirement plans for American workers, including private 401(k) plans, under one new "retirement system" for the United States.

In effect, government pensions for everyone, not unlike the European system and regardless of personal choice.

The SEIU, which was integral to the election of Barack Obama as president, is working with the left-leaning Economic Policy Institute (EPI), and the National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare, on SEIU's plan, called "the Retirement USA Initiative."

Claiming that the retirement system in place now has "failed most Americans," EPI vice president Ross Eisenbrey, told a labor union publication that "account balances have fallen by a third since late 2007, leaving many older workers unable to retire just as our economy is shedding millions of jobs.”

“The failure is broad and deep. It's not just a few people falling through the cracks: most of us already are in the ravine. Three in 10 have only a 401(k) or similar savings plan, and the rest of us are totally out of luck," said Eisenbrey.

Eisenbrey said that the median 401(k) account balance was $25,000 in 2006, and the median for workers near retirement was $40,000.

"Half of those who had a 401(k) were nearing retirement with less than $40,000 in their account," said Eisenbrey, who is trained as a lawyer and was a Clinton administration appointee from 1999 through 2001.

The proposed retirement system would be operated under the following parameters:

• Benefits that move with you, even if you change jobs

• Payouts only at retirement

• Shared responsibility among employers, the government and employees

• Pooled assets, controlled by professional investment managers

"The financial crisis and the economic recession have shone a spotlight on the inadequacies of today's system," said Stephen Albrecht, director of benefits for SEIU.

With the uncertainty in today's global economy, creating a whole new federal entitlement for American workers may not be easy to accomplish for these groups or their allies on Capitol Hill and in the Obama administration, as America's creditors are already getting nervous.

Chinese Premier Wen Jinbao is telling U.S. policymakers that he is concerned about the "safety" of his country's already huge holdings of U.S. debt.

"We have lent a huge amount of money to the United States," said Wen, according to a report in the Financial Times. "We are concerned about the safety of our assets. To be honest, I am a little worried. I request the U.S. to maintain its good credit, to honor its promises and to guarantee the safety of China's assets."


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Shouldn't this whole Thread be in the (so far non-existent) Political Forum?
The greater question is, why do you object to money garnered by US taxpayers being subjected to US taxes? If you own it, if you control it--pay taxes on it. What other countries do is irrelevant--if it's income earned or unearned as a result of a US Taxpayers exertions, it should be subject to US tax. These new efforts merely close long-term loopholes by tax avoiders (I don't use the term "tax evaders" as that's already a felony).
Yes, we are the near-about only country that taxes income etc. no matter where it's earned (no such thing as "tax exiles" as the British have in Bermuda and the Caribbean). Attack that principle--not the particulars of current enforcement.
Oh yeah, another thing--We have the least burdensome personal tax structure in the industrialized world --total tax compliance is a whole 'nother thing. Stop whining--start paying...as I do 100cents on the Dollar. I understand things are a lot easier in Uzbekistan or Bengla Desh. Wanna talk with their entrepreneurs and tax authorities? Jay-sus.

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...strikes me as a political discussion as well.

Unions ain't the enemy....and were pretty much destroyed back when by Ronnie RayGun........plus.....everytime the middle class wage slave figures out how to use a tax dodge (like credit card debt; traveling outside the USA for "professional education"; etc., etc., etc.), the top 1% make certain to eliminate that "loop hole". Bankruptcy reform was a joke....targeting, again, the middle class wage slave....just like banking reform will turn out to be a joke.

The U.S.A. pays the lowest income tax in the free world. What happened to that 90% tax that was being paid in the 50's when life was good? Wasn't a whole lot of moaning going on.....and, golly gee whiz....some how it got reduced to what....45%?

Take a look at what Swedes pay in income tax; what Danes pay in income tax; what Germans pay in income tax. STFU!

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Hmmm... If you're not interested in investing,living, Retiring, etc in Costa Rica ( it does take a few "colons" in case you haven't noticed :shock: ) or god forbid, talk about what Governments may do to restrict that option....

Why waste your time reading or even commenting... :roll:

Your time might be better spent debating over who has the most posts in the shortest period of time or how ya ca get laid for 3000 colonies less ... :roll:

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L: Doug, we recently talked about getting assets out of your home country, especially the U.S., where to take them and what to do with them. In so doing, you touched on the inevitability of currency controls just ahead, especially for Americans. Can you tell us more about that?

Doug: Yes, I’m quite serious about what I said about “the grim reality of impending currency controls.” As the global economy continues to deteriorate, governments will have to appear to be “doing something.” It’s going to become very fashionable to institute some sort of foreign exchange control.

Why might that be? Because obviously, people who are taking their money out of the country are unpatriotic…

L: Those bastards.

Doug: That’s right. Jingoistic Americans naturally, but stupidly, see taking money out of the country as being unpatriotic. They don’t understand that it’s mainly those prudent people who will be able to supply the capital to rebuild a devastated economy later. Besides, getting money abroad is obviously something that only rich people would do… and of course, it’s time to eat the rich, as well. For those two reasons, there won’t be much resistance to controls. And the state gets to appear to be “doing something.”

And when they do, more people – at least those with any sense – will get scared and really try to get their money out, which will exacerbate the run to the exits. The bottom line is that if you want to get your money out, the time to do it is now. Beat the last-minute rush.

I don’t know what form the exchange controls are going to take, but there are two general possibilities: regulation and taxation.

The regulations might take the form of a rule prohibiting you from taking more than X-thousands of dollars abroad per year without special permission. No expensive vacations, no foreign asset purchases without state approval.

As for the taxation, if you want to, say, buy foreign stocks or real estate, you might have to pay an “Interest Equalization Tax” or some such. So, you could do it, but it’d cost you a lot of money to do it.

Something like either of these, or both, is definitely in the cards.

L: But aren’t FX controls something from the past? I mean, where do they exist today?

Doug: Well, FX controls have been used since the days of the Roman Empire. A country debases its currency, raises taxes beyond a certain level, and makes regulations too onerous – and productive people naturally react by getting their capital, and then themselves, out of Dodge. But the government can’t have that, so it puts on FX controls. They’re almost inevitable at this point.

Almost every country – except for the U.S., Canada, Switzerland, and a few others – had them until at least the ‘70s. I remember leaving Britain once in the ‘60s, and a border guy searched me to see if I had more than 50 pounds on me. In those days currency violations in the Soviet Bloc countries could get you the death penalty. Things liberalized around the world with Reagan and Thatcher, and then the collapse of the USSR. But you have to remember that that was in the context of the Long Boom. Now, during the Greater Depression, things will become much stricter again.

Right now, the U.S. just has reporting requirements. But some places, like South Africa, make it very expensive and inconvenient to get money out. South Africa, perversely, may serve as a model for the U.S.

L: Okay, so, we talked last week about Americans at least setting up a Canadian bank account and safe deposit box, and better yet going in person to Panama, Uruguay, Malaysia, or a similar place to do the same. And once there, you advised getting with a lawyer, either referred by someone you trust or found through an interview process, to set up a corporation that can handle your assets and investments for you. This all needs to be reported but it’s wise to do it in advance of the higher costs or other limitations to come.

Doug: Yes. While U.S. persons must report foreign bank and brokerage accounts, safe deposit boxes are not – at least not yet – reportable. This leads me to the biggest and best “loophole” when it comes to potential foreign exchange controls, and that’s foreign real estate.

I’m of the opinion that, broadly speaking, real estate as an asset class is going to be a poor performer for a long time to come – but that won’t be equally true across all countries. Real estate in countries that rely on mortgage debt to buy and sell will continue to be the worst hit.

People don’t understand that buying property with a mortgage is just the same as buying stocks on margin. It’s caused speculative bubbles and malinvestment. Until the malinvestment in those countries is entirely liquidated, you don’t want to invest in real estate in them. But a lot of countries, especially in the third world, have no mortgage debt whatsoever. Zero mortgage debt. You want a piece of property, you pay for it in cash. That keeps prices down and the market much more stable. And it makes for more interesting speculations, because if a mortgage market develops in the future, it could light a fire under prices.

But, from the viewpoint of FX controls, the nice thing about real estate is that there is no way they can make you repatriate it. Other than owning a business abroad, real estate is the only sure way to legally keep your capital offshore.

L: I suppose it would be difficult for even Uncle Sam to seize your estancia in Argentina… not without starting a war.

Doug: Yes. Although I don’t doubt he’ll be starting more wars as well… [Laughs]

L: So, part of your thinking here isn’t just speculative. You’re talking about strategies for wealth preservation, not just in the face of foreign exchange controls, but more aggressive, predatory taxation and confiscation by the state – they can seize your assets, even real estate, in the U.S., but not abroad.

Doug: Exactly. Argentina is excellent from that point of view; rights to real property are, if anything, better than those in the U.S. In many ways, Argentina is culturally and demographically more like Europe than Europe. Uruguay is also excellent, although culturally it’s like a backward province of Argentina. Paraguay is quite secure – but a bit weird as a place to live.

I’m not currently up-to-date on the Chilean real estate market, but Chile is definitely now the richest and most advanced South American country, and an excellent choice. Brazil is fine. Colombia is improving greatly. Ecuador has a goofy president, but parts of it are very nice, and it’s about as cheap as Argentina. Eastern Bolivia is interesting, actually, despite Morales. Only Venezuela is out of the question in South America – but Chavez won’t last forever. It’s just a pity they have all that oil, which is always a corrupting influence.

L: Well, then, what about Central America? I know you prefer South America for speculative purposes, but what if someone wants to park a lot of wealth by buying a couple miles of beautiful beachfront property in Costa Rica, or some place like that?

Doug: I was a big fan of Costa Rica for many years… The first time I went down there was 35 years ago – but it’s a different place now. Then, it was very cheap, and now it’s very expensive. And it’s totally overrun with gringos. So, Costa Rica is not of that much interest to me at this point; it’s pleasant, but there’s limited upside.

I think an excellent place to be in Central America is Belize. Although culturally and ethnically, it’s not really part of Central America; it’s part of the Caribbean.

L: And they speak English there.

Doug: They do indeed, though things are changing. The Guatemalan government has always regarded British Honduras, which is what Belize used to be called, as part of Guatemala. There have actually been confrontations between Britain and Guatemala over this. But that’s in the past; now there’s a different problem. Guatemalans are rolling over the border in much the same way that Mexicans are in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California.

So, the character of Belize is changing, but for the foreseeable future, it’s still going to be Belize, and I rather like it. Aside from Panama, Belize would be my first choice in Central America.

The problem with Central America, however, is that it’s a bunch of small countries that have historically been very unstable. And culturally backward. Most are under the thumb of the United States… there’s a long history of U.S. invasions, most recently in Panama with Noriega. There are Frito Banditos running around these places…

The most culturally advanced country in Central America, not counting Mexico, of course, since it’s in North America, is Guatemala. But Guatemala has had huge troubles with violence, which has only recently come to an end… I hate going through checkpoints at night, manned by jumpy, uneducated, heavily armed teenagers.

Nicaragua is the low-cost alternative, but it’s relatively backward. Panama is probably the best choice. It’s very international, very urban (in Panama City), and it’s very sophisticated, infrastructure-wise.

If I didn’t like Argentina and Uruguay so much, I would put Panama at the top of my shopping list.

L: Got it. Back to the exchange controls themselves. Do you think people will have any warning at all? It seems to me that this is the sort of thing the Powers That Be would want to spring on people.

Doug: I think it’s going to come out of left field. It always does, with at most an official denial just before it happens. In August 1971, Nixon devalued the dollar, which immediately dropped against gold and all foreign currencies. I think there’s a reasonable probability that the government will do that again. Gold may not be part of the equation, but they may decide to put in some sort of fixed exchange rate between the dollar and various foreign currencies.

The reason for thinking this is simple: with all the dollars outside the United States devalued by that much, that much of a liability just vanishes into thin air. And in the short term – it’s never a long-term fix – U.S. exports would go up. This would “stimulate” the domestic economy. Imports to the U.S. would go down, which would make for fewer dollars leaving the U.S. and adding to the $7 trillion overhang the U.S. already has.

L: I know you hate making predictions, but can you tell us if your “guru sense” is tingling on this so strongly that you think it could happen this year? Or is this more of a 2010 possibility? 2011?

Doug: The timing on this is really unpredictable. These people don’t have a plan. They’re acting “ad hoc” to whatever seems most urgent. All the so-called “economists” around government today are really just political hacks. Their world views are totally unsound.

L: With all the problems the U.S. has, do you think this could happen now? Could we be reading about new exchange controls on CNN.com this afternoon?

Doug: Sure. Although they typically pull these stunts over a weekend. I expect something of this nature to happen any time between tomorrow morning and two years from now. If some form of currency controls are not instituted within two years, I’m going to be genuinely surprised.

So, if you’re going to take action, you should start heading for the exits now. Not next month, and certainly not next year.

L: For those who don’t take action until it’s too late, under the scenarios you mentioned, they’ll still be able to get money out. It’s just that it might be more difficult, time consuming, humiliating, and certainly more expensive to do. For every $100,000 they move, only $90,000, or $70,000, or whatever will get to where it’s supposed to go. Can you foresee a more Stalinesque alternative, where they simply can’t get anything out at all?

Doug: Hopefully not. Anything is possible, and things can change so rapidly… but I’d hate to think of what conditions would be like if they ever became that draconian. It’d be so bad on other fronts that there would be all sorts of even more urgent things on your mind – Americans would get a very quick and unpleasant education in the real meaning of Maslow’s hierarchy.

L: Like the Mad Max-style neobarbarians at the door with a battering ram.

Doug: Exactly – that’s when you’ll definitely want to be in more pleasant climes. I’d want to be watching it on my wide-screen, in comfort, not out my front window.

L: We’re talking about extremes here…

Doug: You know, back in the 1970s there was a spate of books published on financial privacy. In those days, financial privacy was still possible. Now, it’s not only no longer truly possible, short of embracing a completely outlaw lifestyle, it’s very dangerous to write about it or even talk about it. I K*D you not. These days, people who ask too many questions about privacy techniques may well be government stooges…

There’s lots of handwriting on the wall. All those books on financial privacy were published in the ‘70s – if you look on Amazon, you can still find them. But there’s nothing really worth reading that’s been written on the subject in 20 years. It’s actively discouraged by the government. I could name – but I won’t – at least two authors that got themselves into a real jackpot this way. Forget about the First Amendment.

In fact, I even feel uncomfortable talking about it in this interview.

So let me once again emphasize that I advise everyone to stay fully within the bounds of the law.

That’s not for moral reasons, of course; there is no morality to the law. It’s strictly for reasons of practicality. Risk-reward ratio.

L: Understood. Loud and clear. Any more investment implications, besides foreign real estate, that you want to draw attention to here?

Doug: Yes – and it’s another reason for those so very clever boys in Washington to embrace currency controls. They will be disastrous for the U.S. economy, but there’s a very good chance that, in the short run, they’ll be very good for the stock market. That’s partly for the reasons I already mentioned about it temporarily boosting U.S. exports, and hence earnings of U.S. exporters, but also because all that money that can’t leave the U.S. will have to go into something.

Investors will probably want to put it into equity, rather than debt, while the dollar is depreciating. Again, it’s disastrous over the long term, but as a short-term play, buying the blue chips the day the exchange controls are instituted could be a good move.

L: You’d buy the Dow?

Doug: I might, if I couldn’t think of anything more intelligent or original to do. We’ll just have to see what the situation is like.

L: This will be a development we’ll have to keep an eye out for in The Casey Report, then.

Doug: Yes, we will. The more politically controlled an environment, the more distortions are created. And the better it is for a speculator.

L: Thanks again, Doug – you’ve given us a lot to think about.

Doug: My pleasure.

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I thought Costa Rica did not cooperate with US banking law?

Panama, I can see the US having more influence.

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The recent times have seen some drastic influence of the US over the banking and finance sector after all US is one of the major governing bodies of the world and it's ought to have a greater influence over the banks, this also provides a good opportunity for the employment of the people.

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One of the nation's largest labor unions, the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), is promoting a plan that will centralize all retirement plans for American workers, including private 401(k) plans, under one new "retirement system" for the United States.
In effect, government pensions for everyone, not unlike the European system and regardless of personal choice.

The SEIU, which was integral to the election of Barack Obama as president, is working with the left-leaning Economic Policy Institute (EPI), and the National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare, on SEIU's plan, called "the Retirement USA Initiative."

Claiming that the retirement system in place now has "failed most Americans," EPI vice president Ross Eisenbrey, told a labor union publication that "account balances have fallen by a third since late 2007, leaving many older workers unable to retire just as our economy is shedding millions of jobs.”

“The failure is broad and deep. It's not just a few people falling through the cracks: most of us already are in the ravine. Three in 10 have only a 401(k) or similar savings plan, and the rest of us are totally out of luck," said Eisenbrey.

Eisenbrey said that the median 401(k) account balance was $25,000 in 2006, and the median for workers near retirement was $40,000.

"Half of those who had a 401(k) were nearing retirement with less than $40,000 in their account," said Eisenbrey, who is trained as a lawyer and was a Clinton administration appointee from 1999 through 2001.

The proposed retirement system would be operated under the following parameters:

• Benefits that move with you, even if you change jobs

• Payouts only at retirement

• Shared responsibility among employers, the government and employees

• Pooled assets, controlled by professional investment managers

"The financial crisis and the economic recession have shone a spotlight on the inadequacies of today's system," said Stephen Albrecht, director of benefits for SEIU.


Pidd,

Thanks for the information. This seems like a great plan that will in the long run allow more hard working guys to realize their dreams of retiring to the life of pursuing sweet young things in Costa Rica or other sunny destinations. So often the good life seems to be the reserve of folks who have dedicated their lives to gaming the system. :D :D :D

http://www.retirement-usa.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Conference-Report.pdf

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[Pidd,

Thanks for the information. This seems like a great plan that will in the long run allow more hard working guys to realize their dreams of retiring to the life of pursuing sweet young things in Costa Rica or other sunny destinations. So often the good life seems to be the reserve of folks who have dedicated their lives to gaming the system. :D :D :D

http://www.retirement-usa.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Conference-Report.pdf


Amigo Thanks for the .pdf Link...

Interesting reading and I encourage everyone to read it.

Many will be thrilled with the prospect with the promise of a secure retirement at the hands of others who will be looking out for their best interests. I am sure there must be many, many examples in History where these type of promises have been given and kept.

I haven't checked on the current policies of The Netherlands, Sweeden, Switzerland, or Canada on immigration but they must have some limits because of the demand to live there.

I am also relieved that the document acknowledges and guarentees to preserve the current plans for the milions of us who want to continue with "what We got".

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Protecting those with secure benefits

We also need to make sure that the millions of current workers fortunate enough to be in
good plans are protected, particularly those who are nearing retirement. Worker and retiree
organizations, consumer groups and policy makers must redouble their efforts to strengthen
Social Security, preserve existing defined benefit pension plans, improve 401(k)s, and expand
retirement plan coverage.



Hopefully, this proposal will give you everthing you deserve and can join us here in Costa Rica or wherever YOU CHOOSE to spend your "retirement years" after you have reached whatever age will be required under the Plan..

Best of Luck and Peace brother

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The future of public debt: prospects and implications

by Stephen Cecchetti, Madhusudan Mohanty and Fabrizio Zampolli
Working Papers No 300
March 2010

Abstract:
Since the start of the financial crisis, industrial country public debt levels have increased dramatically. And they are set to continue rising for the foreseeable future. A number of countries face the prospect of large and rising future costs related to the ageing of their populations. In this paper, we examine what current fiscal policy and expected future age-related spending imply for the path of debt/GDP ratios over the next several decades. Our projections of public debt ratios lead us to conclude that the path pursued by fiscal authorities in a number of industrial countries is unsustainable. Drastic measures are necessary to check the rapid growth of current and future liabilities of governments and reduce their adverse consequences for long-term growth and monetary stability.
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......5. Conclusion

Our examination of the future of public debt leads us to several important conclusions.

First, fiscal problems confronting industrial economies are bigger than suggested by official debt figures that show the implications of the financial crisis and recession for fiscal balances. As frightening as it is to consider public debt increasing to more than 100% of GDP, an even greater danger arises from a rapidly ageing population. The related unfunded liabilities are large and growing, and should be a central part of today’s long-term fiscal planning.

It is essential that governments not be lulled into complacency by the ease with which they have financed their deficits thus far. In the aftermath of the financial crisis, the path of future output is likely to be permanently below where we thought it would be just several years ago. As a result, government revenues will be lower and expenditures higher, making consolidation even more difficult. But, unless action is taken to place fiscal policy on a sustainable footing, these costs could easily rise sharply and suddenly.

Second, large public debts have significant financial and real consequences. The recent sharp rise in risk premia on long-term bonds issued by several industrial countries suggests that markets no longer consider sovereign debt low-risk. The limited evidence we have suggests default risk premia move up with debt levels and down with the revenue share of GDP as well as the availability of private saving. Countries with a relatively weak fiscal system and a high degree of dependence on foreign investors to finance their deficits generally face larger spreads on their debts. This market differentiation is a positive feature of the financial system, but it could force governments with weak fiscal systems to return to fiscal rectitude sooner than they might like or hope.

Third, we note the risk that persistently high levels of public debt will drive down capital accumulation, productivity growth and long-term potential growth. Although we do not provide direct evidence of this, a recent study suggests that there may be non-linear effects of public debt on growth, with adverse output effects tending to rise as the debt/GDP ratio approaches the 100% limit (Reinhart and Rogoff (2009b)).
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Finally, looming long-term fiscal imbalances pose significant risk to the prospects for future monetary stability. We describe two channels through which unstable debt dynamics could lead to higher inflation: direct debt monetisation, and the temptation to reduce the real value of government debt through higher inflation. Given the current institutional setting of monetary policy, both risks are clearly limited, at least for now.

How to tackle these fiscal dangers without seriously jeopardising the incipient recovery is the key challenge facing policymakers today. Although we do not offer advice on how to go about this, we believe that any fiscal consolidation plan should include credible measures to reduce future unfunded liabilities. Announcements of changes in these programmes would allow authorities to wait until the recovery from the crisis is assured before reducing discretionary spending and improving the short-term fiscal position. An important aspect of measures to tackle future liabilities is that any potential adverse impact on today’s saving behaviour be minimised.

From this point of view, a decision to raise the retirement age appears a better measure than a future cut in benefits or an increase in taxes. Indeed, it may even lead to an increase in consumption (see eg Barrell et al (2009) for an analysis applied to the United Kingdom).


Note: BIS
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The BIS fulfils this mandate by acting as:

•a forum to promote discussion and policy analysis among central banks and within the international financial community
•a centre for economic and monetary research
•a prime counterparty for central banks in their financial transactions
•agent or trustee in connection with international financial operations

The head office is in Basel, Switzerland and there are two representative offices: in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China and in Mexico City

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Hopefully, this proposal will give you everthing you deserve and can join us here in Costa Rica or wherever YOU CHOOSE to spend your "retirement years" after you have reached whatever age will be required under the Plan..

Best of Luck and Peace brother
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Actually, I've been living comfortably down here in CR for going on ten years now thanks to a good traditional retirement plan, some solid planning on my part, and a little bit of luck.
:D :D :D

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PURA VIDA :!: :!: Brother

You're singing my song.... :wink:

I hope many others make the same preparations so they can also share the ... "pie"... :lol:

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Actually there's only one unavoidable conclusion to be drawn from that Working Paper--get rid of all those unfunded liabilities due to be paid as a result of ageing populations--kill off the old folks before they drain the system. They have too much power and are catered to way too much by craven politicians to cut back promised benefits Thus they should drink a big glass of Jim Jones special Kool-Aid on their 60th birthday. There, problem solved. Now moving on to world peace by the young'uns...
NOTE: I am personally 4 years past my "extinct-by" date.

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I do not dispute Brother Pidd's right to post what he wants (subject to the usual Board limitations) as long as he doesn't object to rebuttal.
First thing--Never trust a guy with 2 first names, much less 2 of them (Henry George excepted) yet he has a rambling apocalyptic interview with a speculator living large in Argentina conducted by a sycophantic scrivener (Doug Casey and Louis James). My question to these 2 jokers is the punchline to an old joke--"Where are the CUSTOMER'S yachts?" This dude says: Move most of your fortune into foreign Real Estate, saying the US tax authorities can't get to it and move it. Are they familiar with the term "expropriation"? By local authorities in regime or policy changes over which the US has limited influence? We imposed sanctions on Cuba on just this issue and 50 years later, the lawsuits are still flying (the issue of the Havana Club rum trademark was just recently settled--sort of). Suggesting somebody commit heavily in overseas RE absent heavy caveats about the legal structure of that country and strong exhortations to do especial due diligence about the laws, legal system and culture of that country is irresponsibility verging on advisor/journalistic malpractice. They are after all preaching (I use that word advisedly) to the naive, the credulous, the unsophisticated (they aren't publishing in an esoteric or professional journal but mass market designed for the quasi-hysterical, the induced-panic stricken). Real Estate is about the most illiquid investment you can own--to stampede folks to it in an uncertain world to avoid a legal tax duty is reprehensible at best.
Now this new tax reporting is just that--"reporting". As I said before there are no new taxes imposed on legitimate income. These new rules are designed to catch skimming and other forms of financial chicanery, not those who honestly came by their wealth (though that old sayin is always and universally true--"Great wealth comes from great crimes--see Carlos Slim in Mexico or the Kennedy's in the US for example). That foreign banks in the known tax havens don't want to touch US accounts now shows how dirty they have been.
Bludgeoning other countries to do our bidding?--Yes, and your problem with this is?...When has this not been true? At least we're not threatening to send in the Marines to seize their Customhouses 'til they knuckle down to US business (Nicaragua, Santo Domingo, elsewhere) or forcing the importation of noxious substances (the UK in China). Are you looking out for the poor benighted bankers in these tropical havens...or is it a more devious intent?
As far as the SEIU's position on reforming, even radically reforming, US pensions, let's look at the history of pensions in the US and how they've been looted by business (pure looting in the case of that criminal enterprise known as Enron, but at some level in a great many other cases) and corrupt unions (Teamsters, LIUNA, others), or changed by business so as to severely short-change older workers (look up "cash balance plans" for a demo on this--"dog-paddling in place"). Who better than a union which honestly represents the poorest-paid, most-abused workers this side of farmworkers to bring this subject to public consciousness? Being a bottom-up union, they have a vested interest in protecting all workers (there is something to that "rising tide lifts all boats " theory). All those ideas they have about pension portability, etc. seem to be good protections to me. The older company-based pensions were designed to keep people in place and in thrall to a particular company and have no place in the modern world--it's not just the worker's mobility we're talking about (though that is frequently FORCED mobility), it's denying capitalist America's gamesmanship with their worker's retirement years. I guess discussions about retiree health benefits are totally off the table now? Until business big and small erode those too? Want to talk about the severe dimunition of dividend payments recently to their owners so as not to erode the CEO's stock option payout? Bring it--I'm ready.

Your specific comments are cordially invited. Except as being an American worker I have no particular axe to grind--wherever in the Federal system I go, my retirement and benefits follow. Would you deny that to the great mass of American workers who make this great system of ours a reality?

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