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You are right about that ID. I dont keep much money in it now. Before I ever did any transactions, I would look into this much deeper. Just for reference, didnt most of those losses come from people doing online banking... or no........ I thought that was what I read but not sure.


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A couple years back BCR had issues with onlinebank security...AND they arrested one of their managers at I believe was the San Pedro branch who was Oking bad checks on accounts and getting kickbacks. I had my service issues with Scotiabank while living there as well. None of these banks is a picnic to deal with. I think they are grumpy about gringos because of all the extra paperwork and risk they seem to feel dealing with us. You are a criminal until proven otherwise.

I too keep most of my money in US bank accounts. But many of us I think wonder why our government should concern itself with foreign corporations just because they have american owners or partners. Everyone understands the urge to watch money laundering for terrorists and drug cartels...but IMHO, our federal govt has no right or jurisdiction over foreign corps and the privacy thereof. I know it is because they want to tax a citizens income from anywhere in the world (one of only 3 countries that do so), but one has to wonder why US foreign corporate earnings that stay in a foreign jurisdiction are not taxed as income while individual income is? I'd better stop before this gets too political. Just trying to explore the reasons why our banking business is not enticing to foreign bankers in these roll over jurisdictions down here. :roll: ...

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Tman is right on the mark! The indifference you can live with ( not releasing temporary holds, uncaring about online fraud, etc). Can you imagine if a Bolivian tax official wrote to Wachovia and asked for a Bolivian citizens banking details, I suspect Wachovia would demand a US court order.

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IMHO, our federal govt has no right or jurisdiction over foreign corps and the privacy thereof. I know it is because they want to tax a citizens income from anywhere in the world (one of only 3 countries that do so), but one has to wonder why US foreign corporate earnings that stay in a foreign jurisdiction are not taxed as income while individual income is? I'd better stop before this gets too political. Just trying to explore the reasons why our banking business is not enticing to foreign bankers in these roll over jurisdictions down here. :roll: ...


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Can you imagine if a Bolivian tax official wrote to Wachovia and asked for a Bolivian citizens banking details, I suspect Wachovia would demand a US court order.

Probably right about it. What if the good ole USA wanted banking records of a US citizen in say, Panama? Is it not true that they would need a court order from Panama? Just asking.

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Dapanz...that used to be the case I believe. But now...if the bank has branch in USA, no court orders are needed to share international account information. Citibank can now access info at any international branch...and is almost obliged to share that info with any USA legal authority. Banking privacy is gone in the USA...Federal govt does not need to notify a citizen before pursuing your bank records...including international accounts with that bank.

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I was in Panama earlier in the week to check. Panama is Swiss level private, only a request through Panamanian officials for real crimes ( non Tax). Of course the "Empire" often overcharges people with things like money laundering.

In regards to sharing, what is going on now in Costa Rica is different, they are requiring US Citizens to give them their Social Security numbers to pass along to, at the very least, the parent corporation. I suspect the parent is then required to pass along this. If someone had a Costa Rican bank account with as little as $3,000 in it for a few years here, and did not disclose either the account or the pennies in interest earned, I assume they could concieveably be looking at Federal Tennis Prison or heavy fines.


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Elusive...dont count on that privacy in Panama with an American affiliated bank. The USA bank can share any client info they want to in the USA that is on file in their Panama branch without notification to you. The privacy laws here apply to Panama banks and entities that come to Panama looking for info on clients. Within an international bank that has USA presence...these privacy laws do not reach. Just dont want people to be misled here.

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I did my 20 questions first, thats why I went through an attorney and had a bank interview.


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Elusive...dont count on that privacy in Panama with an American affiliated bank. The USA bank can share any client info they want to in the USA that is on file in their Panama branch without notification to you. The privacy laws here apply to Panama banks and entities that come to Panama looking for info on clients. Within an international bank that has USA presence...these privacy laws do not reach. Just dont want people to be misled here.


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Monday, January 21, 2008 - Vol. 10, No. 18
The Infamous "Expat Tax" Moves a
Step Closer to Reality...
Today's comment is by Bob Bauman, Legal Counsel and Senior Writer for The Sovereign Society.

Dear A-Letter Reader,

As my colleague Mark Nestmann and I have been predicting for some time, it appears 2008 could be the year when the Democrat controlled United States Congress imposes an "exit tax."

This official "exit tax" would apply to both U.S. citizens and long-time resident aliens who decide they want to leave America permanently.

Policymakers slipped this horrendous restriction into a popular military pension/pay bill, (without hearings or public notice, I might add), so insiders say President Bush may actually sign it into law.

This outrage is happening despite the protections in the U.S. Constitution. The Constitution guarantees the right to voluntarily end your U.S. citizenship. It also grants you the right to live and travel abroad freely and acquire and enjoy second citizenship from other nations.

Furthermore, the U.S. Supreme Court has confirmed every one of these basic rights. (Even the U.N. Charter affirms these rights and in 2004 the European Court of Justice overruled a similar French exit tax because it violated the EU treaty on human rights.)

Indeed this confiscatory exit tax harkens back to Adolf Hitler's notorious departure taxes that stripped Jews of their property before they were allowed to escape from Nazi Germany. It also brings to mind similar oppressive laws to those fleeing Stalin's Communist Soviet Union and apartheid-era South Africa.

Civil Liberties Be Damned
If the so-called Democrat Party "liberals," who supposedly advocate civil rights and liberties, can impose such an oppressive exit tax, what will happen when Democrats take control of both the presidency and Congress? (And are the Republicans much better?)

Could United States citizens and legal residents suddenly find their right to travel, their freedom to live in other countries restricted, or even forbidden? Could such a government also impose currency exit controls and other extreme measures?

After the 2006 election I predicted that "Democrats will have the power to write radical new laws tempered only by the hapless President George Bush's shaky veto pen." The exit tax is a prime example.

I thought this article would fit into the discussion, also didn't want to start another thread.
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I have been advising people in CR and here in Panama for a couple years now NOT to open accounts in multinationals that have USA branches or reciprocity, if you value your personal and corporate privacy.


Yeah, sucks when US companies keep snapping up CR banks though :(


Everyone complains about the harsher bank regulations and stuff, but keep in mind americans have been using costa rican banks for less than honorable activities for many years :? A few bad apples, as they say.

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By Garland M. Baker
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The sign of things to come: Banco Cuscatlan now requires citizens or resident aliens of the United States to fill out a W9 form for personal accounts at the firm's banks in Costa Rica.

Why? Because Citigroup bought Grupo Cuscatlan from Corporación UBC Internacional S.A. for $1.51 billion in cash and stock. Grupo Cuscatlan has operations in El Salvador, Guatemala, Costa Rica, Honduras and Panamá.

Most United States citizens are familiar with a W9 form. It is an Internal Revenue Service form used to obtain a person’s taxpayer identification number. In the case of individuals, the identification is the Social Security number.

The purpose of the form is to acquire information from taxpayers for the United States government’s tax collection efforts. A web version of the form that can be filled out online and printed can be found HERE!

The bank is also requiring account holders to sign a form that states the following:

“The undersigned hereby authorizes Banco Cuscatlan de Costa Rica, S.A. to report, on an annual basis, the information on the account holder and his or her account(s) and any interest earned on such product(s) or account(s) held in Banco Cuscatlan de Costa Rica S.A. to the United States Internal Revenue Service and to withhold any United States tax.”

This is just another scary story of the transparency phantom stalking bank information.

Recently, an expat sold his home in Costa Rica. He almost put the proceeds of the sale in his Cuscatlan personal account. There is no capital gains tax in Costa Rica but there is in the United States. In theory, the bank could withhold money and send it to the United States government as backup withholding to cover taxes due.

If United States expats do not fill out the form, their personal accounts can be closed and/or the bank can withhold as much as 30 percent of any moneys in the accounts. The deadline for compliance is the end of this January.

Many expats believe their money in Costa Rica is safe from their home country’s tax authorities. Some countries do not required the payment of taxes on holdings or gains from investments in Costa Rica. The United States does. No matter where a United States citizen goes, he or she owes taxes on the money he or she makes on investments.

Many expats from the United States try to hide their gains here by using companies to hold assets.
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Some go as far as to use Costa Ricans to hold their stock to hide their profits. Those that do
have no control over their assets, and some take a beating from white-collar thieves.

This kind of reporting to the United States is just the start. Cuscatlan is just taking the lead because it is a United States banking institution. GE Consumer Finance purchased 49.99 peercent of BAC San José in May 2005, and since that purchase, the bank has scrutinize accounts very closely. The bank continues to close many questionable accounts held by expats before the purchase.

HSBC recently purchased Banex. HSBC Bank USA has close ties with the Costa Rican subsidiary and probably will be requiring the same forms as Cuscatlan very soon.

All these facts mean the accounts once used by expats to hide money in Costa Rica are almost gone. Most banks, even the ones not mentioned here now, require any new customer to fill out a form or sign an agreement that permits the bank to give information about the account and the account holders to any authority, including the U. S. Internal Revenue Service.

The best practice when living and investing in Costa Rica is to be on the up and up with all ones business dealings. This includes paying one's taxes to Costa Rica and the home country. It makes for a better nights sleep.

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This SUCKS !!! :x :evil:

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Perhaps....but Grand Cayman is just a spit away....much nicer place too....just no p4p. Doesn't bother me. That's what planes are for.

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Perhaps....but Grand Cayman is just a spit away


Someone correct me if I am wrong but, GC has been rolling over on Americans for years.

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If you act stupid and annoy them, they just might.

One cannot go to Grand Cayman and merrily set up a bank account. There's a process involved that includes references and what not. With well over 500 "banks" (some are just a P.O. Box) one best know what one is doing with one's money in many respects.

The government makes it plain: "We don't want any peanut butter and jelly tourists". *shrug*

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