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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 3:04 am 
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This bank, one of two I use here, has been taken over by Citibank. The branch on Av 1. is virtually empty and they say it's being remodeled, though there are other opinions around (such as it is being shut down). They had a staff of 2 or 3 people there on a Friday afternoon. If Citibank were not in such deep shiit I wouldn't particularly worry, but I am very likely to withdraw what I have in there and move it to Banco National, or open a new account somewhere else. Anyone else use Cuscatlan?

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Citi IS in deep shit...just pulled some money out yesterday... :evil: Stock now in the 3's. Does CR have some kind of equivalent of FDIC? Wouldnt have thought so...but maybe??

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Citi IS in deep shit...just pulled some money out yesterday... :evil: Stock now in the 3's. Does CR have some kind of equivalent of FDIC? Wouldnt have thought so...but maybe??


CR government insures only the national banks. Private banks such as Citi are not covered.

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does anyone know what they are insured for??? amounts??

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Phoenix Rising wrote:
Citi IS in deep shit...just pulled some money out yesterday... :evil: Stock now in the 3's. Does CR have some kind of equivalent of FDIC? Wouldnt have thought so...but maybe??


Deposits in CR are insured by a FDIC equivalent. Most major banks in CR are members. Although, I'm not certain for how much.

Banco Nacional is government owned. I would consider it to be a safe bet seeing as CR has one of the longest standing democracies in the Americas.

Citi just bought Cuscatlan and Banco Uno in CR. Almost all of the offices have been converted. The Banco Uno by me was open for about a week as a Citi branch and now is shutdown.

I also use Citi for my US banking interests. I wouldn't worry about your US deposits unless its over $250K. But then again, who the heck knows what else will need to get "bailed-out" in this pitiful economy.

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Phoenix Rising wrote:
Citi IS in deep shit...just pulled some money out yesterday... :evil: Stock now in the 3's. Does CR have some kind of equivalent of FDIC? Wouldnt have thought so...but maybe??


CR government insures only the national banks. Private banks such as Citi are not covered.



I guess I'm confused. I thought Banco Nacional was the only government bank. I use BAC San Jose and was told my deposits are insured. Although, I thought BAC was private.

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I went down this morning to Citibank/Cuscatlan and closed out my accounts. I think it was unlikely I would have lost my few thousand dollars but why take any chances? The branch, on Av. 1, was bringing in new equipment and it looks like they plan to continue operations there. I personally saw no reason to continue MY operations there.

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Chi_trekker wrote:

I guess I'm confused. I thought Banco Nacional was the only government bank. I use BAC San Jose and was told my deposits are insured. Although, I thought BAC was private.


There are 4 governments banks. The other 3 are Banco Credito Agricola, Banco de Costa Rica and Banco Popular.

BAC may have some sort of insurance but it not through a government agency. To find out how safe private banks are do some research and look up Banco Elca. Depositors got burned when the government shut them down. That was the bank that ARCR promoted in their seminars.

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Bank closed by regulators will only take money
By the A.M. Costa Rica staff

Banco Elca was open Wednesday but only to take money.

The bank that regulators took over Tuesday was not cashing checks or even exchanging dollars for colons, according to Luis Lizano, a teller, who was the only person who could be reached at the bank’s central office in Sabana Este Wednesday.

What he said was not what the many expats who had money in the bank wanted to hear.

The bank was only accepting payments on credit it had extended and on credit cards. The bank would not even accept deposits, he said.

Meanwhile, Manrique López, the government official sent to run the bank, remained incommunicado. He works for the Superintendencia General de Entidades Financieras, the agency that closed down the bank and dissolved its board of directors due to lack of liquidity and unspecified anomalies.

The government officials were said to be in meetings all day.

A block away, Ryan Piercy of the Association of Residents of Costa Rica, also wanted to talk to the official. Piercy noted that bank employees had made a presentation to potential new expat residents just Friday at his association’s monthly seminar for those who might like to move here.

Because Banco Elca actively sought deposits from Expats, Piercy said he thought that a significant number of North Americans had money there. Because Banco Elca is a private bank it is not backed by the faith and credit of the country. Bank insurance does not exist here for private entities.

Piercy pointed out two major problems for foreign residents. First, he said he knows of individuals who had deposited the $60,000 required of them by immigration officials to become rentistas here. In addition, others who are pensionados have deposited money in the bank so they could show that they had changed the required $600 a month into colons to maintain their residency status. Piercy said his association would prevail on immigration officials to cut these residents some slack in showing they met financial requirements of their residency.

At the very least, the money will be locked up for the 90-day initial period that López will be in charge. A similar bank failure dragged on for months before another bank purchased the assets.

Piercy said he thought that Banco Elca was in better financial shape than Banco Bantec, the La Uruca institution that failed. Officials said that Banco Elca had fallen far below its required 10 percent reserve requirement on deposits.

For more than a year Banco Nacional, the largest in the country, refused to accept Banco Elca checks.

Banco Elca listed nine separate offices in a half-page ad carried in the most recent issue of a magazine published by Piercy’s association. One was in Hospital CIMA in Escazú. Other offices were in San Ramon, San Carlos, San Pedro, Heredia, Barrio Amon in San José, Desamparados and Alajuela. The Superintendencia said 155 people worked there.

The bank had recently accepted an infusion of capital by negotiating a sale of 50 percent of its stock to Venezuelan investors.

One bank customer pretty well summed up the feelings of expats in an e-mail to A.M. Costa Rica Wednesday morning:

"I was in shock when I read about Banco Elca today in your paper," the man said. Then he listed other financial disasters that have befallen expats here in the last two years: "After the Villalobos, Savings Unlimited, The Super Fonds, and now Banco Elca, which way do we turn?"

The Brothers Villalobos ran a high-interest borrowing operation paying creditors 3 percent a month until they closed it down Oct. 14, 2002. The loss: About $1 billion. Savings Unlimited was a similar high-interest operation that packed up in the middle of the night the following month. The loss: about $250 million.

The Super Fondo dollar bond fund took a beating earlier this year because Banco Nacional marketers oversold the shares that were invested in fixed Costa Rican securities. Some investors lost up to 50 percent of their cash.

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Bilko wrote:
I went down this morning to Citibank/Cuscatlan and closed out my accounts. I think it was unlikely I would have lost my few thousand dollars but why take any chances? The branch, on Av. 1, was bringing in new equipment and it looks like they plan to continue operations there. I personally saw no reason to continue MY operations there.


So, where are you moving your money?

I just wonder what kind of fall-out could happen here in CR I hope and pray that BAC has never invested in any of our lovely mortgage-backed assets. How would you even know?

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A little over a year ago, when I found out that Citibank bought Cuscatlan, I got a bad feeling. So for the past 8 or 9 trips, I've been withdrawing the "maximum allowable" from my account every trip, in an effort to be "less visible". When Custatlan e-mailed me the IRS W-9 form last year, I knew it was time to get the phuck out......NOW. The long arm of Uncle Sam is very long indeed! :evil:

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Here's a current article I just read on Yahoo:
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Government plans massive Citigroup rescue effort
Monday November 24, 10:00 am ET
By Jeannine Aversa, AP Economics Writer
Citigroup rescue includes $20B cash injection, guarantee on billions in assets

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Rushing to rescue Citigroup, the government agreed to shoulder hundreds of billions of dollars in possible losses at the stricken bank and to plow a fresh $20 billion into the company.

Regulators hope the dramatic action will bolster badly shaken confidence in the once-mighty banking giant as well as the nation's financial system, a goal that so far has been elusive despite a flurry of government interventions to battle the worst global crisis since the 1930s.

Wall Street investors appeared encouraged by the effort. The Dow Jones industrials were up around 90 points in morning trading, and stock markets in Britain and Germany gained more than 4 percent in afternoon trading. Citigroup shares themselves climbed 49 percent to $5.62 in morning trading.

"If they didn't help, the damage would be beyond imagination," said Teck-Kin Suan, economist at United Overseas Bank in Singapore. The action, announced late Sunday by the Treasury Department, the Federal Reserve and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., is aimed at shoring up a huge financial institution whose collapse would wreak havoc on the already fragile financial system and the U.S. economy.

"With these transactions, the U.S. government is taking the actions necessary to strengthen the financial system and protect U.S. taxpayers and the U.S. economy," the three agencies said in a joint statement. "We will continue to use all of our resources to preserve the strength of our banking institutions, and promote the process of repair and recovery and to manage risks."

President Bush was meeting Monday with Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson to discuss the country's economic state. Analysts said a Citigroup failure would have seized up still fragile lending markets and caused untold losses among institutions holding debt and financial products backed by the company.

"It would create chaos," said Winson Fong, managing director at SG Asset Management in Hong Kong, which oversees about $3 billion in equities in Asia. "Simply put, you couldn't borrow or lend for a while. This is a nightmare scenario."

The bold move is the latest in a string of high-profile government bailout efforts. The Fed in March provided financial backing to JPMorgan Chase's buyout of ailing Bear Stearns. Six months later, the government was forced to take over mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and throw a financial lifeline -- which was recently rejiggered -- to insurer American International Group.

Critics worry the actions could put billions of taxpayers' dollars in jeopardy and encourage financial companies to take excessive risk on the belief that the government will bail them out of their messes. The Citigroup rescue came after a weekend of marathon discussions led by Paulson and Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke. Timothy Geithner, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, who is being tapped by President-elect Barack Obama as his Treasury chief also participated.

Vikram S. Pandit, Citi's chief executive officer, welcomed the action. "We appreciate the tremendous effort by the government to assure market stability," he said in a statement issued early Monday. The $20 billion cash injection by the Treasury Department will come from the $700 billion financial bailout package. The capital infusion follows an earlier one -- of $25 billion -- in Citigroup in which the government also received an ownership stake.

As part of the plan, Treasury and the FDIC will guarantee against the "possibility of unusually large losses" on up to $306 billion of risky loans and securities backed by commercial and residential mortgages. Under the loss-sharing arrangement, Citigroup Inc. will assume the first $29 billion in losses on the risky pool of assets. Beyond that amount, the government would absorb 90 percent of the remaining losses, and Citigroup 10 percent. Money from the $700 billion bailout and funds from the FDIC would cover the government's portion of potential losses. The Federal Reserve would finance the remaining assets with a loan to Citigroup.

In exchange for the guarantees, the government will get $7 billion in preferred shares of Citigroup. In addition, Citi said it will issue warrants to the U.S. Treasury and the FDIC for approximately 254 million shares of the company's common stock at a strike price of $10.61. As a condition of the rescue, Citigroup is barred from paying quarterly dividends to shareholders of more than 1 cent a share for three years unless the company obtains consent from the three federal agencies. The bank is currently paying a dividend of 16 cents, halved from a 32-cent payout in the previous quarter. The agreement also places restrictions on executive compensation, including bonuses.

Importantly, the agreement calls on Citigroup to take steps to help distressed homeowners. Specifically, Citigroup will modify mortgages to help people avoid foreclosure along the lines of an FDIC plan that was put into effect at IndyMac Bank, a major failed savings and loan based in Pasadena, Calif. Under the IndyMac plan, struggling home borrowers pay interest rates of about three percent for five years. Rates are reduced so that borrowers aren't paying more than 38 percent of their pretax income on housing.

The IndyMac plan also was used as a model for a new program by mortgage finance companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and for two other failed thrifts taken over by the government on Friday. FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair has been pressing Treasury to use $24 billion from the $700 billion bailout program to put the mortgage modification program on national footing, but Paulson is opposed to that idea.

Citigroup has seen its shares lose 60 percent of their value in the past week, reflecting a crisis of confidence among skittish investors. They are worried all the risky debt on Citigroup's balance sheet will turn into losses as the economy worsens and the markets stay turbulent -- losses that could be nearly impossible to reverse.

Citigroup is such a large, interconnected player in the financial system that it is seen by Washington policymakers as too big to fail. The company, with some 200 million customers, has operations stretching around the globe in more than 100 countries. Analysts consider Citigroup the most vulnerable among the major U.S. banks -- especially after it failed to nab Wachovia Corp., which was bought instead by Wells Fargo & Co. That was a missed opportunity for Citi to gets its hands on much-needed U.S. deposits that would bolster its cash position.

Citigroup was especially hard hit by the meltdown in risky, subprime mortgages made to people with tarnished credit or low incomes. Foreclosures on those mortgages spiked, leaving Citi and other financial companies wracking up huge losses on the soured investments. The company has failed to turn a profit during the past four quarters and has announced plans to slash thousands of jobs.

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Among people I respect and who know more than I about this, this particular bailout is just a temporary measure, to kick the can down the road for a few months, let the new administration try to deal with it. It is not a serious attempt to make Citibank solvent again, just a can of 'fix-a-flat.'

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I was wondering about the new Citi Bank set-up in Costa Rica. This thread has been very informative. One thing I missed. If you do have a Citi Bank account in the US, can you just move money to Citi Bank Costa Rica or do you have to wire it in the traditional way?

I wired money from a WaMu branch in Nevada to Promerica in Costa Rica. After about 10 days the money had not been deposited in the Promerica account. When I followed up at WaMu, they weren’t sure where the money went to. It was lost somewhere in a black hole between Nevada and CR. In the past – before WaMu went belly up and got bought out by JP Morgan Chase - wiring money only took only two to three days.

If figure the “black hole” was simply a float on the part of Morgan-Chase.


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Bilko wrote:
Among people I respect and who know more than I about this, this particular bailout is just a temporary measure, to kick the can down the road for a few months, let the new administration try to deal with it. It is not a serious attempt to make Citibank solvent again, just a can of 'fix-a-flat.'


I like the metaphor.... fix a flat. I doubt these bailouts are even doing that. They are throwing our money out the window. Why can't they dump the auto industry (a 30 year loser. The internal gas combustion engine has no future) and put that 20 billion into technology which is what America is still good at???? What about healthcare or biotech??? What about education?

I'm a life long ëlephant or red tie wearer (hint... not a donkey)... what ever the hell you want to call it.... and I am sickened by all these bailouts. The last I want to see is my tax dollars going to these fat-cat, monkey-asses on wall street and in washington. Its apparent to me that the politicians are only worried about their own friggin' jobs. On the flip side, its apparent that the executives in the private sector were only worried about their own pocket books.

Now... let's take just take billions of tax payer dollars and throw it at both sides, with some rules and caveats, plus a whole lot more government regulation (bureaucrats only worried about their own jobs) and see it where it gets us.

The US economy is impacting CR. I just fired an employee today because I cannot stomach her lack of productivity and the financial tsunami in my investment accounts, at the same time. I'm certain tourism will SLOWWWW WAYYYYY DOWN. Exports will go down as will imports. However, I somehow feel better being here, than being there right now. I'm just sickened by all this corruption... both sides... government and big business.

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To answer a previous question, I am going to open an account at Banco de Costa Rica. I have an account now at Banco National and it's always nice to have two options, as I have a horrible habit of forgetting to get my ATM card out of the machine.

As far as bailouts go, I don't know of anyone who likes them. Right now I think all they are doing is trying to play for time and avoid a full scale panic. It's easy for me to say just let them all eat shiit because I don't have a family or a job or property. Morally it feels right to let the bastards that got themselves into this mess go belly up, but the ones who really got us into the mess have already got their rewards and will never suffer a day of hardship in their lives. The big shots at Lehman Brothers are doing just fine thank you, though their company no longer exists. If I had the answer perhaps they would appoint me economic adviser or something, but so far I have heard nobody come up with a good plan. We are choosing between unpleasant alternatives.

I would get some satisfaction seeing Citi collapse, along with GM, F and Chrysler, etc. etc. But if the end result of letting all those entities fail is some sort of 'Mad Max' scenario, I don't think my glee would last too long.

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Good points BILKO. The golden parachute crowd do not suffer,,,they get out LONG before the shit hits the fan and the pee-ons are left holding the bag...and thats when SOCIALISM starts sounding like a good idea...and pulling down the houses of those scumbags...

The thing that I cant understand is how apathetic and complacent people are. Nobody is shouting in the streets about this. Nobody piped up when Bush, Cheney and their cronies like Goldman Sachs artificially jacked up the oil prices to pad their swiss bank accounts. Fuckin bunch of sheep we are.

And whats gonna happen is we are going to print money BIG TIME to ease the pain in the short team...What else can OBAMA do? Where's he gonna get the money? Who needs a bailout? How about a Phoenix Rising bailout? :D But you know what happens when they get the presses going hot and heavy? Then its back to gallo pinto for breakfast here in the US :(

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