www.CostaRicaTicas.com

Welcome to the #1 Source for Information on Costa Rica
It is currently Tue May 07, 2024 7:41 pm

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]





Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 28 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2
Author Message
PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 11:37 am 
PHD From Del Rey University!
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:27 pm
Posts: 2222
Location: Here and There
Hey Orange........ you're a smart guy who I respect a lot. But your logic here is flawed.

If you steal my car, and the authorities don't know about it, it is still a crime. It is not a legal activity just because the illegality has not yet been discovered.

I don't know about CR law, and I certainly don't know about Islamic law that allows plural marriage, but most marriage laws require that there be CAPACITY to marry if the marriage is going to be valid. INcapacity can be the result of several issues - - - - und***ge, insanity, fraud, AND AN EXISTING MARRIAGE VALID ANYWHERE that has not yet been dissolved.

So, a second marriage without ending all prior marriages is "void ab initio" , void from the beginning.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:15 pm 
Ticas ask me for advice!
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 25, 2007 4:48 pm
Posts: 455
BashfulDwarf wrote:
Mkink wrote:
If he is married in US (first), the costa rica marriage is invalid and she is not due alimony. Ch*ld support would apply under any circumstance.

when you say "not due", do you mean in the US where the second marriage would not be recognized, or in CR where only the 'second' marriage would be recognized? Let's face it, if dragged into CR court over divorce and alimony, the guy's hardly likely to admit he is married somewhere else.

So, as a foreigner in CR, you can marry a citizen with nothing more than your passport? That's nuts.



This is where you are wrong. If he can prove he was married at the time of the CR marriage, CR will not recognize the CR marriage or union en hecho (common law marriage 3 yrs). Many use this to get out of alimony in CR and transfer of property (she would not be due half of any assets accumulated during the time together unless she is specifically named). It makes it a very easy get out of court free card in the event you can prove you ARE married elsewhere.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:16 pm 
Ticas ask me for advice!
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 25, 2007 4:48 pm
Posts: 455
Rac wrote:
Hey Orange........ you're a smart guy who I respect a lot. But your logic here is flawed.

If you steal my car, and the authorities don't know about it, it is still a crime. It is not a legal activity just because the illegality has not yet been discovered.

I don't know about CR law, and I certainly don't know about Islamic law that allows plural marriage, but most marriage laws require that there be CAPACITY to marry if the marriage is going to be valid. INcapacity can be the result of several issues - - - - und***ge, insanity, fraud, AND AN EXISTING MARRIAGE VALID ANYWHERE that has not yet been dissolved.

So, a second marriage without ending all prior marriages is "void ab initio" , void from the beginning.



You are correct and that is how CR looks at it!


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:14 pm 
PHD From Del Rey University!
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 27, 2005 10:20 pm
Posts: 12610
Rac wrote:
If you steal my car, and the authorities don't know about it, it is still a crime. It is not a legal activity just because the illegality has not yet been discovered.

I don't really want to keep arguing but I'm not sure if you get the point that I'm trying to make.

Your example isn't that good here because you are comparing criminal vs legal. But lets go with it.

If I was driving your car around after I stole it and got pulled over by the cops, but they didn't run it, they would never know that I stole it, so in their eyes, I'm "legal". Same applies to this marriage in CR. Unless the CR authorities find out about the first marriage, the marriage is legal, in their eyes..

Yes, I agree that if she were to file for divorce and try to get alimony or anything, he would just need to prove that he's already married, thus voiding the second marriage and relieving him of any financial responsibility. I don't see any potential financial benefit to her from knowing he's already married, other than blackmail. :lol:


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 9:13 pm 
PHD From Del Rey University!
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 02, 2013 8:07 am
Posts: 3339
Location: South Florida
so let me get this straight: it is perfectly safe to marry a CR citizen while still being married back home. And if the CR citizen tries to haul you in court, you prove your first marriage and everything goes your way? Wouldn't that be considered a fraud, if not bigamy itself? Is there a bigamy law in CR?

What about if you 'were' married back home and divorced, and just took in the marriage certificate into CR court? Are they going to order a background check?

_________________
bypassin' kinky, and usin' the whole chicken!!!


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 2:15 am 
PHD From Del Rey University!
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:27 pm
Posts: 2222
Location: Here and There
It's called "fraud in the inducement" when you indicate that you have the CAPACITY to marry, but really do not have that capacity to marry because you are already in a valid marriage that has not yet been dissolved.

The second "marriage" , involving fraud in the inducement, would NOT be a valid marriage. It is void ab initio-----from the beginning.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 8:25 am 
PHD From Del Rey University!
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 02, 2013 8:07 am
Posts: 3339
Location: South Florida
Rac wrote:
It's called "fraud in the inducement" when you indicate that you have the CAPACITY to marry, but really do not have that capacity to marry because you are already in a valid marriage that has not yet been dissolved.

The second "marriage" , involving fraud in the inducement, would NOT be a valid marriage. It is void ab initio-----from the beginning.

didn't answer my question. The judge just throws our her case against you? He doesn't look at Bigamy laws, or anything else? I find it hard to believe that the court would so easily side with the scumbag foreigner against one of it's own vicimized citizens.

Wonder if this works for Heroin purchases. "But, your honor, I already have Heroin back home. This purchase is not valid!"! :mrgreen:

_________________
bypassin' kinky, and usin' the whole chicken!!!


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 9:31 am 
PHD From Del Rey University!
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:27 pm
Posts: 2222
Location: Here and There
Here's the simple, DIRECT answer to Bash"s question..........

When a gringo is in a CR courtroom, ANYTHING can happen and not much is predictable.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 10:15 am 
PHD From Del Rey University!
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 02, 2013 8:07 am
Posts: 3339
Location: South Florida
Rac wrote:
Here's the simple, DIRECT answer to Bash"s question..........

When a gringo is in a CR courtroom, ANYTHING can happen and not much is predictable.

now THAT sounds more like it.

_________________
bypassin' kinky, and usin' the whole chicken!!!


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 1:08 pm 
Ticas ask me for advice!
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 25, 2007 4:48 pm
Posts: 455
BashfulDwarf wrote:
Rac wrote:
It's called "fraud in the inducement" when you indicate that you have the CAPACITY to marry, but really do not have that capacity to marry because you are already in a valid marriage that has not yet been dissolved.

The second "marriage" , involving fraud in the inducement, would NOT be a valid marriage. It is void ab initio-----from the beginning.

didn't answer my question. The judge just throws our her case against you? He doesn't look at Bigamy laws, or anything else? I find it hard to believe that the court would so easily side with the scumbag foreigner against one of it's own vicimized citizens.

Wonder if this works for Heroin purchases. "But, your honor, I already have Heroin back home. This purchase is not valid!"! :mrgreen:


That is correct! The Judge throws it out and she would have to sue you in civil court and PROVE damages!


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 1:53 pm 
PHD From Del Rey University!
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 02, 2013 8:07 am
Posts: 3339
Location: South Florida
Mkink wrote:
BashfulDwarf wrote:
didn't answer my question. The judge just throws our her case against you? He doesn't look at Bigamy laws, or anything else? I find it hard to believe that the court would so easily side with the scumbag foreigner against one of it's own vicimized citizens.


That is correct! The Judge throws it out and she would have to sue you in civil court and PROVE damages!

That makes sense. But, what court would it have been in when the judge threw it out? Family court? I don't even know how this works in my own country.

Also, if you don't live in CR, what would happen if she did sue? I suppose if you don't appear you lose in default. Can CR courts make requests to US courts for remedy?

_________________
bypassin' kinky, and usin' the whole chicken!!!


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 3:16 pm 
PHD From Del Rey University!
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:29 pm
Posts: 3350
Location: SOUTH FLORIDA
Mongers creed :

Definition of bigamy : One wife too many.

Definition of monogamy : One wife too many...

I follow Nancy Reagan's advice when the subject of marriage comes up...."Just say NO !!!"

:lol: :lol: :twisted:

_________________
Don't try to understand 'em, just rope 'em down and brand 'em...


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:46 pm 
CR Virgin - Newbie!

Joined: Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:33 pm
Posts: 1
The penalty for bigamy in CR is 10 years in jail. I've personally been told this now by three CR lawyers, within the last year. It sounded like it's pretty much a standard penalty.

Also, when you marry in CR you have to fill out and sign a document listing previous marriages and divorces. They don't corroborate the information, however, if you were found to be dishonest, and you were moving to CR from somewhere else, lying on this signed document would be considered immigration fraud. I don't know about the penalties for that - likely, at least deportation.

Yes, the first marriage is the only one that is legally valid. However, to opt out of a second marriage on those grounds would involve admitting to bigamy - see first paragraph. It might be better to get a CR divorce, or leave the country.

As to prosecution in the US, laws vary from state to state, as does interest in enforcement.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 28 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2



All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:



Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group