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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:40 pm 
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Thanks for taking the time Pac! Your writings always have such insight...

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:51 pm 
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Thanks for taking the time Pac! Your writings always have such insight...


I agree. I am not sure how to respond to it or how much I agree with. But it is certainly food for thought.


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Pac, Great Advise!!! I just figured out what I was doing wrong. This post was an “eye opener”. This year for Christmas I am going to get my wife a mop and a bucket and if she does a good job scrubbing the floors I will throw her a bone…….lol


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:46 am 
I will say this: You can move past P4P with a portion of these women. I would say that this is highly unlikely on a long distance basis, but if you either live in Costa Rica or live here part time, you can get past the P4P relationship.

Before considering a "relationship" with a girl that you meet in the gulch, you absolutely have to take this step first. Otherwise, at best, what you have is a mistress.

Those that say "it is always about the money", just have not been successful maintaining a relationship once the cash flow stops.

In my case, I have a couple that I have developed friendships with that I no longer do business with. Once the cash flow stops, it is then and only then that you know where you stand with a chica.

On the positive side, there are many of these women that are looking for a man that they can count on. Ticos are a pretty unreliable bunch and most Gringos are just full of shit. If you can demonstrate that you are someone that is real and reliable, you will find some of these women will respond favorably.

You also have to be realistic about the line of work they are in. In some respects, these women have a mind set like a man: they can separate the sex act with a stranger from a sex act with someone that they care about. Men do this all the time and society accepts it as normal. Women that do this are somehow diminished as human beings. Pure hypocrisy!!!! Sex is just sex, I don't see what the big deal is.

That said, the vast majority will just blow you off after the cash flow stops. Don't K*D yourself and don' be surprised.

Pacific55 is right about another thing. Latinas respect men that take charge. It makes them feel secure.


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Though you know i tend to be of the persuasion that these relationships never work long term...IF one is going that direction, your observations are right on. I have had a couple very intense "affairs" with strippers and working girls over the years...where it got to the point of no money exchanged. But...the line I have not crossed was living with them...so I have no experience to that level.

That being said, many of these girls are very honest, open human beings. And they are taken advantage of by men very easily in some cases. The cases I have known of where they go off with a gringo have usually turned into abusive situations. Or the lights suddenly go on and they realize they have nothing in common with the guy and/or his family, culture, etc. They end up coming back into the profession more hardened and lifeless than before. This is very sad when I see it. Probably for both sides...but guys move on usually more quickly from these kinds of affairs. They have the money to do so.

While I have been critical of guys who pursue putas for GFs, I have also realized this is no different than the gold coast millionaire yachtsmen in their 60s and 70s hanging out with a few bikini model babes their daughters age. I mean, whats in it for these gringa girls? STATUS...of who they know, what kind of gifts they receive...yep...the young mistress..."puta". Admittedly, the Latinas would probably be less maintanence and better service.

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Though you know i tend to be of the persuasion that these relationships never work long term...


That is the other "Love America Style" preconception that Pacific55 refers to.

What is long-term and why is it important?

Maybe it is better if they don't work long term. Maybe it is better to have different women in your life at different times. Who is to say?

In Costa Rica people live for the moment. Maybe that is something that us Gringos should be better at.


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You have to be there 24/7. I also am of the opinion that asking a gulch girl for monogamy is asking for abuse. If she wants to be faithful she will be and if she doesn't she doesn't. No amount of devoted promises ever kept a woman faithful. She either got what she needed or she went looking elsewhere. Unfortunately, we tend to think what she "needs" is gifts and attention and an opulent lifestyle. This makes her think we are loco, since we don't know the value of money and give it to her for no reason.


The part that everyone misses is that in this arrangement, you do not have to monogamous either. FREEDOM BROTHERS! FREEDOM!

ALSO, who is to say that monogamy is the same thing as being faithful? Why is not possible to be faithful to someone (being a person that can be counted on) and still get a little tail on the side once in awhile?


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Pacifica55:

my disclaimer: just so the rest of you will be aware of the filter that my thought process flows through. Anyone who tries to have anything other than a short-term business relationship with one of these girls is insane.
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They are women just like all the others. The difference is that working girls are convinced that they have no worth beyond their vagina. This can be changed.




Concerning the above quote: I think you're setting the bar too low for their mentality/motivation. A fair percentage of them are reasonably intelligent rational people capable of forming a plan for their life. These girls realized that in the society they live their body is their greatest asset and potential moneymaker. They form a plan to use that asset while it is at it's greatest value to acquire enough wealth to have a decent life. That's not low esteem thats rational thinking.


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The sex is expected and not negotiable, she will lovingly do whatever you say, but that is not why she is here. Take the importance of her existence off the sex side


once again I feel you're underestimating their ability to understand. She knows and she understands that the basic reason she's there is that you want to sleep with her. If you were that dead set on housekeeping you would've hired a maid at a much lower price.
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There will be "drama". Either you provide the stimulation she needs to keep from being bored and to feel worth or she will provide you drama so that she can tell you care and so that she is not bored. A busy woman has little time to think of ways to garner negative attention. She is too busy trying to keep Hefe happy. She is happy when she has done her jobs well and Hefe is happy.


A wife is not an employee are dog she is your partner in life. As always just my opinion.

Off subject: I like the new picture looks like an old girlfriend.

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Anyone who tries to have anything other than a short-term business relationship with one of these girls is insane.


I have some nice relationships with some of these women that are no longer business relationships. I enjoy them, they are nice to me. My wingman is dating a former ZB girl and was dating another. Both were nice girlfriends for him. He is very happy with how these relationships went.

So who are you to say?

I know that this is "old school" CRT philosophy, I also know that there are many, many relationships that have "gone bad".

When these relationships do not work it seems to me that it is more about the guys, not the girls. If you do not have misplaced expectations, there is no reason why you can not have a good relationship with some of these women.

The idea that they are "damaged goods" because they are sex workers is no more true or false than the notion that we are "damaged goods" because we are mongers.

Andrea and Yirla, formally of Zona Blue are 2 excellent examples. Both of these girls are fine women and any of you jackasses would be phucking lucky as hell to catch them. Vanessa is another example.

I got lucky, Andrea and I are getting married and we are going to have lots and lots of Babi*s. The reception will be at SL and you are all in


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She wants the power, he wants a moment's peace, ergo, she gets the power (and he still gets no peace).


IMHO, she thinks that she wants the power, but resents it when it is given up by her man. When I gave up my balls, my ex gladly took the power. She really didn't want it, or know what to do with the power when she was in control. It made her unhappy to see her man as weak, and me unhappy for being a wimp. I was "less than" what she really desired, and she eventually went looking to have a strong, powerful, man again.

Giving up my power to a woman cost me my marriage and my happiness. I will never allow that to happen again.

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She wants the power, he wants a moment's peace, ergo, she gets the power (and he still gets no peace).


IMHO, she thinks that she wants the power, but resents it when it is given up by her man. When I gave up my balls, my ex gladly took the power. She really didn't want it, or know what to do with the power when she was in control.
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I made the exact same mistake in my marriage. I learned this lesson the HARD way. Unfortunately, American Men are conditioned to think this way as a result everyone ends up unhappy.

No matter how "enlightened" the philosophy behind it may be, you can not wash away 100,000 years of biological selection and conditioning in a single generation. There are certain things that are hardwired in our nature.


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