Love the train wreck or are you bothered by a fool in love?

Thirdworld · **Joined:** Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:07 am **Posts:** 4858

Let me ask a question again, just a question, no one get upset. Do you hit on 18, 19, or 20 when playing blackjack? No? Why? There is a possibility that you will be ok.

J0sie · **Posted:** Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:59 pm

Thirdworld wrote:

Let me ask a question again, just a question, no one get upset. Do you hit on 18, 19, or 20 when playing blackjack? No? Why? There is a possibility that you will be ok.

Thirdworld â€“ let it die. Join me and the other scoundrels for some beer and pizza. Pull up a chair. They want stand on the train tracks - let them be. I can respect that.

TimBones · **Posted:** Sun Jun 22, 2008 3:31 pm

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Are you saying you've been going to CR for 20 yrs. and have not met one gringo that has had a LTR with a working chica that he pulled off the market that was happy, at least for some period of time?

Loaded question, Define period of time. I think we all have been happy with P4P for a night or so. I know guys that have favorites, but I would not call them true gf type relationships. Most of the guys from CRT I have met are pretty much well grounded guys who take P4P for what it is; a total business type relationship. I have also run across a few guys that just don't seem to get that. The guys in these train wreck situations I normally just read about as the debacle is progressing.

Normally, these are guys with very little in-country experience, naive, sometimes just coming off a divorce or that have very little experience with foriegn/Latin women. The one thing that is common to most is lack of ability to communicate in a common language. Because if you can understand what the debs are saying other than "where u from baby?" you normally are not so enthralled with the experience. :wink:

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I know several confident, succesful decent looking guys happily involved long term with very nice chicas that they met through P4P, believe it or not. I don't really care if you do but just because they are not here posting details of their relationships and that they are currently happy with a novia, fiance or esposa doesn't mean they don't exist.

Thats believable, put I am assuming these guys know the true score and as long as things are going good, thats fine as long as they know when to fish or cut bait. I would also be curious to know whether they actually know Spanish, because I can't beleive someone that can really communicate in Spanish would waste their time chasing P4P when he could be out seeking more stable relationships? :?:

Witling · **Joined:** Sun Oct 12, 2003 4:50 pm **Posts:** 3822

One of the many things I appreciate about PacoLoco is his ability to see both sides of a situation. Some can't.

There are all types of guys and girls who are connected to the "monger" situation. Having 15,000+ members on CRT is not a valid argument as to a representative sample of men since just being a member of a site like this puts most of them into a single-minded control group. There may be 15,000+ members over 5 years of CRT but there are probably less than 500 who read the board on a regular basis and less than 100 I would consider regular contributors.

As Paco mentioned, most guys in successful relationships have moved on and don't feel the need to frequent a website such as CRT. They have better things to do, unlike so many of us who live vicariously through others when not actually traveling ourselves.

Have there been train wrecks? Yes, many more than any of us will know about. Have there been success stories? Yes. I personally know of 3 and I don't even keep up with that many guys. I'm sure there are more.

Is the john/puta relationship fraught with heartache and disaster? Most likely. But as with all relationships it eventually comes down to the two people involved.

If you think it's not possible to have a successful relationship, regardless of where the two people come from, maybe that says more about you and your perspective than on others.

Would I advocate choosing a working girl as a wife? No, but I know there are many different types of girls out there trying to make a life just as there are many different types of guys on CRT.

Ultimately everyone has to make their own decisions.

Wit

TimBones · **Posted:** Sun Jun 22, 2008 3:48 pm

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One of the many things I enjoy about PacoLoco is his ability to see both sides of a situation. Some can't.

Gee, I wonder who he means :?:

Wit, is about as subtle as a DR hooker witha new boob job.

I see both sides of the coin, I just continually express my opinion that one side is fraught with a high rate of failure, heart ache and monetary risk. As well documented on this site and I can't understand why, knowing that, someone would pursue such a LTR. Of course, they call the lottery a tax on stupid people so....

As far as the three success stories you mention. I would be curious to define success? Again, these relationships success stories that PL and Wit would have more credibility with substantiation. What are the odds that marrying a hooker will work out? higher or lower than among two people who have met in more typical circumstances.

And again, there are some real players out there than can pull this off. I liken these guys to the guy who runs the Bunny Ranch who is dating one of the hookers who is also an X rated movie star. He knows the score and she knows the score. Hopefully your friends are some facsimile of that situation. I am really not concerned about them. It is the guys who fall in love after a P4P evening, sends money, pretends its something that its not that causes me concern. And seriously, you Pro GF guys admit that there is a very high rate of failure in such arrangements, so I believe in principle we all agree on that?

Witling · **Joined:** Sun Oct 12, 2003 4:50 pm **Posts:** 3822

Tim,
If you look at the time on my post you'll notice I was writing it the same time as you. I posted it before I even read yours.

Take it any way you want but I have noticed you've spent almost 3 years preaching the same sermon. Just who is it you're trying to save?

TimBones · **Posted:** Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:00 pm

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Tim,
If you look at the time on my post you'll notice I was writing it the same time as you. I posted it before I even read yours.

Take it any way you want but I have noticed you've spent almost 3 years preaching the same sermon. Just who is it you're trying to save?

Anyone I can. :lol:

Since I have never met you and you know nothing about me other than the fact that for 4 years I have been vehmently preaching against the Hooker / Monger LTRs means exactly what?

I will also tell you my views on windfall profits taxes, redistrubiting income through taxation, and gays in the military hasn't changed either. Tell me professor, what does that tell you? :lol:

Witling · **Joined:** Sun Oct 12, 2003 4:50 pm **Posts:** 3822

TimBones wrote:

I will also tell you my views on windfall profits taxes, redistrubiting income through taxation, and gays in the military hasn't changed either. Tell me professor, what does that tell you?

Hmmmmm, I dunno, maybe that you have an anti-establishment complex and you spend too much time preoccupied with things you can do nothing about??

Just a guess.

Spanky · **Posted:** Sun Jun 22, 2008 6:08 pm

Witling wrote:

TimBones wrote:

I will also tell you my views on windfall profits taxes, redistrubiting income through taxation, and gays in the military hasn't changed either. Tell me professor, what does that tell you?

Hmmmmm, I dunno, maybe that you have an anti-establishment complex and you spend too much time preoccupied with things you can do nothing about??

Just a guess.

TimBones · **Posted:** Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:25 pm

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TimBones wrote:
I will also tell you my views on windfall profits taxes, redistrubiting income through taxation, and gays in the military hasn't changed either. Tell me professor, what does that tell you?

Wit-less wrote: Hmmmmm, I dunno, maybe that you have an anti-establishment complex and you spend too much time preoccupied with things you can do nothing about??

Just a guess.

Oh, the personal attack, always a winner for a person that has run out of ammo in the war of ideas.

Rather than try and explain to you what side of the political spectrum those opinions come from, I will just reach the conclusion that you aren't too smart. Public school K*D with a GED are you Wit-less? Pobrecito. :oops:

Yeah, your knowledge of what is establishment and what is not is about as accurate as your opinion about why someone would want to try and keep guys like you from losing their life savings chasing a women one third their age, but double their IQ.
:wink:

You strike me as one of the poor, older, love struck, johns that fancies himself a player with these Debutantes, but probably can't speak Spanish well enough to tell that they are laughing at him while taking him for whatever they can. Of course, that's not a guess, more of an informed opinion.

Of course, I could be wrong, but I doubt it. :lol:

Dapanz1 · **Posted:** Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:08 pm

I've beaten the horse and I think it's dead. Yes..it's dead.

dapanz1

Chi_trekker · **Joined:** Wed Jul 13, 2005 10:54 pm **Posts:** 1693

PacoLoco wrote:

J0sie wrote:

Yo, Paco â€“ Are you for real? Just a simple logical look at it and you know that sooner or later the situation will go to shit.

Sooner or later- but couldn't that be said about any relationship? All my past relationships with non-hookers eventually "went to shit" in some way and I'd guess that so did yours.
At any given moment there are dozens of guys in various stages of relationships with DelRey chicas and some of them are CRT members. I know of 4 or 5 guys (2 personally) that have married chicas, another half dozen others with novias or fiances' and about a dozen working chicas that have married or moved to the states with gringos in the past 5 years. A couple are back working in SJO but most aren't so maybe they are still married and/or happy in the US, who knows but are they all stupid idiots for giving it a try?

I'm not actually endorsing the practice or suggest some newbie try it, just stating the facts are that it does happen, is happening and will continue in spite of all the warnings and anti-relationship rhetoric posted, usually by the same group of members. Sure let's warn the newbies not to fall into the RFM traps and get their hearts broken, but for the guys that have mongered a while & crave something more and the guys that just won't listen anyway- hooking up for some type of LTR with a working chica is an easy option. Maybe they'll get burned badly or maybe they'll accept the challenges, work through the rough spots, find some sporadic peace and happiness and learn a few things from each other along the way. I know several long-time CRT members that say they are very happy with their current relationship arrangements, and of course a couple others that have "gone to shit".

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I wished I agreed with you and would be more than happy to have one post a Monger-Puta Success Story Thread, but I think that it wouldn't have many takers. I could be wrong.

My guess is the reason it wouldn't have many takers is because they choose to keep their relationship lives private, maybe because of the constant negativity posted by many towards the subject- just look at some of the posts in this thread, not to mention the title. This issue was forseen and addressed in the first post that started this section.

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I know the general consensus here and idea behind the site is info about paying them to leave but lets face it- MANY CRT guys have novias and many others could benefit from the information available, it could save some guys thousands of $ and loads of heartache. And who knows there might even be a couple success stories posted one day. Have no idea Admin1's thoughts or how much trouble it would be but if it ever happened I think one rule must be no excessive bashing by the non-novia believer crowd. The reason most guys don't post anything about their relationships is they don't want to get flamed by the strictly LAL (Love 'em and Leave 'em) guys.

Here is probably the lengthiest and most informative thread on the topic, with a few "success stories" mixed in- https://costaricaticas.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1957

The thing that is most bizarre is the veteran mongers that fall into this trap. They KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND STILL FALL IN LOVE WITH HOOKERS. This can only be the result of some lack of self esteem or courage or something.

I have lived in CR for two years and there is TONS OF HOT pu*sy IN THIS COUNTRY that ARE NOT HOOKERS!!! In fact, most of the good looking girls are NOT WILLING TO SELL THEIR pu*sy FOR MONEY because THEY HAVE SELF RESPECT.

It is similar to the US. You need to take risk and have some balls and court her... Ofcourse, it is much easier than a large US city because there are SO MANY OF THEM and SO FEW OF US.

Witling · **Joined:** Sun Oct 12, 2003 4:50 pm **Posts:** 3822

TimBones wrote:

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TimBones wrote:
I will also tell you my views on windfall profits taxes, redistrubiting income through taxation, and gays in the military hasn't changed either. Tell me professor, what does that tell you?

Wit-less wrote: Hmmmmm, I dunno, maybe that you have an anti-establishment complex and you spend too much time preoccupied with things you can do nothing about??

Just a guess.

Oh, the personal attack, always a winner for a person that has run out of ammo in the war of ideas.

Timmy,
Where is the personal attack, except yours? You asked me a question, I gave you my answer. You never said what your views were only that they hadn't changed. What sort of hypothesis (I'll wait while you look it up) did you expect me to reach from that statement?

Sadly I know you better than you think. I also know it would be futile to waste my time debating you. Much like if I tried to teach a pig to sing. It would only frustrate me and annoy the pig.

As a member of CRT I try to offer information and on occasion some levity. What I don't do is try to tell adult males how to live their lives.
You're welcome to get your panties in your crack over any and all topics. I'll stand by and watch you boil over. No sweat off my back.

BTW, the word you attempted to use earlier is spelled "redistributing". Just a little help from a "GED" holder. :wink:

TimBones wrote:

You strike me as one of the poor, older, love struck, johns that fancies himself a player with these Debutantes, but probably can't speak Spanish well enough to tell that they are laughing at him while taking him for whatever they can. Of course, that's not a guess, more of an informed opinion.

Man, you're good. You've got me pegged perfectly!
Informed opinion? Interesting.

As for my level of education, IQ, Spanish-speaking ability or how much I spend on prostitutes, none of these subjects are germane (again, I'll wait) to this discussion and frankly none of your business.

You come on CRT with the same rhetoric (sorry if I'm slowing you down) and contribute so little. You seem to be a very sad and angry person with a personal agenda. If there is so much on CRT that upsets you why don't you find some place that better suits your negative attitude? You'll be happier and I'm sure most here won't notice the loss.

But as is always possible, I could be wrong. Thanks for your deep insights.

Hugs,
Wit
P.S. For what it's worth since you are so fond of mentioning your military service I'll let you know that I am retired military, too.

Dapanz1 · **Posted:** Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:58 pm

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It would only frustrate me and annoy the pig.

That's how I feel about the whole damn thread.

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You seem to be a very sad and angry person with a personal agenda.

I have to agree.

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I'll let you know that I am retired military, too.

I live in a town that has a "retired" military base. Does that count?
Since the spelling police are always on the prowl, I must correct one word in a previous post. I wrote about cleansing ones soul. Not sole. That would be a bodily part. :lol:

I thought the horse was dead. Maybe we are not dealing with a horse. It is the cat....with 9 lives. The threads dealing with this issue have no "winner" and no "loser." I'm sure the Paco can find the thread he started years ago dealing with this issue. It is the best, most comprehensive thread on this subject. It should be made a sticky. Everyone should read it, take it for what it's worth and then....drum roll please....STFU. Post about something that matters.

dapanz1

Berk2302 · **Joined:** Sat Aug 28, 2004 6:55 am **Posts:** 2171

J0sie wrote:

â€¢ Another made a plea for the mongers to pay the chica and do not take advantage of them because they may be too passive and take whatever money we offer. WTF. I answered this on two other different posts; go read them, but talk about major BS. This one really irks me.

Look... if you want to use an example in a thread I started and being fully aware what I posted on the subject then get it right. I won't repete the theme or quote any statements, but you are no where in the hell close to any thing I said. WTF.
:roll:

Berk....

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