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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:38 pm 
Kccostarica wrote:
Chi_trekker wrote:
By definition, dating involves some level of courtship. Courting a prostitute in my opinion is a waste of time.


This is true ONLY if you have expectations beyond enjoying the time that you actually spend with them.

If you enjoy the time you spend with them, and you don't have unrealistic expectations for the future OR expectations for monogamy, then how is it a waste of time?

My wingman is well over 50 and enjoys banging younger women. He is not looking for a future with them. He just wants to enjoy the moment. If the time together is quality time, then what does it matter?


I'm almost 100% sure that when Chi_Trekker says "COURTING" he means NOVIA which also means he is referring to those that have unrealistic expectations and expect monogamy.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:20 am 
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There is a lot of squalor in CR - honestly, I think you look on it a lot different than they look on it. They don't mind it as much as you think that they do, because their definition of squalor is not the same as your definition. For a lot of them, living without modern conveniences is all they know and all they've ever known. They are far more focused on family than plush carpet. Point in fact, I was just in the Philippines.... I visited 2 women (1 hooker, 1 not ever a hooker) that lived in horrible conditions, but they didn't apologize for the situation before me since it is all they know. The non-hooker lived partly on concrete and party on dirt (her entire family lived there). The kitchen was nearly all dirt. They didn't cook with gas or electricity, but charcoal. They are experts at 1 pot meals, because they don't have the means to cook sophicated multi-pot meals.


Now, help me get this straight: To you, it is more "honorable", "respectable", "righteous" for a woman to teach her offspring to get used to dirt, one pot and manual labor rather than work for a few years and provide a better future for herself and her keds. Correcto?


Oh please, be a little realistic!

Do you really think that all they have to do is work a "FEW YEARS" as a hooker and the rest of their life will be a piece of cake? CORRECTO?

Hookers don't last long in the profession. It takes a lot more years to raise a K*D(s) so the financial benefits aren't going to be life changing for the K*ds long term. These hookers aren't financial experts putting their earnings into CDs and investments for their K*ds future clothing, food and shelter needs. The hookers are spending the cash as quickly as they get it. As soon as they stop hooking, they are broke a few days later.

Turnover in the HDR is high, because most can't take the lifestyle long term so the benefits of hooking are short lived.

If a chica is say 23, even if she can take the lifestyle long term, her hooking income will decrease as she gets older. 23 and say she is still hooking at 30..... her K*ds likely still aren't teenagers. This example is VERY EXTREME since most hooker don't last anywhere near 7 years. The lifestyle is just too difficult.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:24 am 
QuickBlueFox wrote:

Note, I did say MAY

I know that if I were in their shoes I would be like pamela, phuking every rich gringo that came my way, but unlike her, I'd be socking it all away in an interest bearing CD...


Fair enough.

I am the first to agree that many are just greedy and money hungry.

There is at least one ZB that has been socking it away, owns real estate and and saves every dime she can. Few are as smart.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:34 am 
D2864 wrote:

Oh please, be a little realistic!

Do you really think that all they have to do is work a "FEW YEARS" as a hooker and the rest of their life will be a piece of cake? CORRECTO?

Hookers don't last long in the profession. It takes a lot more years to raise a K*D(s) so the financial benefits aren't going to be life changing for the K*ds long term.


This is also a fair point, but this is where we have to be careful about over generalizations. No two situations are the same. Some women drift in and out. Some are more hard-core. Some find novios. Some reconcile with their families. Some save their money. Some do it long enough to get an education and move on to something better. Some drift in and out of the business. Some are just sex freaks and love the excitement. Some are drug addicts. Some sneak out on their novio/husbands to make extra pocket cash. Some just do it at the end of the month to pay rent. Some are on their own. Some live with their families. Some are married and do it with the blessing of their esposa, others do it behind their backs. Some just do it for the party and the extra cash once in awhile.

Generalizing is somewhat absurd.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:02 pm 
Kccostarica wrote:
No two situations are the same.


Yeah, most of the situations are just varying degrees of "bad."


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:35 pm 
D2864 wrote:
Kccostarica wrote:
No two situations are the same.


Yeah, most of the situations are just varying degrees of "bad."


Bad? Good? Who is to say?

Such statements are totally subjective and such judgments say more about the judgment maker than they do about the person being judged.

I am curious D. Do you see the Puta lifestyle as more bad or less bad than the monger lifestyle?

After all, for the puta P4P is a livelihood. For mongers P4P is for pure hedonistic pleasure.

I also find it amusing when a monger will put putas down for not having any emotional attachment to sex with mongers.

Since when did any of us have any emotional attachment to sex that we have with putas?

D, does this not seem like a ridicules double standard to you too?

Guys that have been mongering for 15 years are held in esteem on this board. While women that have been putas for 3 or 4 years are damaged goods. D, has this double standard ever crossed your mind?


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:53 pm 
I think it is what it is KC.

I've already said that many hookers do not tell others what they are doing - what they do is more often than not a secret. If it isn't a complete secret, then it is just an ignored topic among friends and family. If they themselves aren't telling what they do, they themselves must not feel that their profession is a readily acceptable lifestyle. The Latin lifestyle is actually very very conservative due to the influence of the Catholic church so sex before marriage is actually considered a very big no-no. Yes, sex before marriage happens all the time, but it is not talked about within the family environment. So, given all of this, what do Costa Ricans think about hookers? I can tell you that they aren't held in the highest esteem. I live in California, I have many Latin friends from many of the countries in CA and SA and I can tell you that sex outside of marriage is still looked down upon. It is very old fashioned and conservative in CA and SA. No offense, but you wouldn't know this by hanging out in the Gulch. You also won't know that when girls do get pregnant, the families in CA and SA expect marriage to follow (unlike the USA). If you could get the hookers in the HDR to tell the truth, many who have K*ds are probably officially married because they had a K*D with someone, but for whatever reason, she is separated.

I don't think the mongering lifestyle is held is high esteem either. Many guys here readily admit that they don't brag about being a monger except to very very close friends. Why can't we tell just anyone? Why can't we tell others exactly why we are visiting CR or RIO or Thailand? Even while in CR, if we aren't in a mongering venue, we don't readily tell people outside of the Gulch why we are really in CR.

You get my point - mongering and hooking aren't so mainstream that we are broadcasting without reservation what we do.

I've also already said that how "I" see a hooker's lifestyle does not matter. Obviously I'm glad they do what they do, but I can't ignore how people outside both lifestyles see mongers and hookers. I can't ignore the fact that mongers and hookers are secretive about their lifestyle - there has to be a reason we are so secretive and it can't be a good reason. Common sense says that we keep what we perceive as negative about us a secret and we brag about the positives.

Better quit.... I'm about to repeat the same theme in different words. My bottom line is the BOLDED above.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:27 pm 
D2864 wrote:
No offense, but you wouldn't know this by hanging out in the Gulch.


No offense taken. I live in a small viillage in Heredia, Costa Rica, so perhaps I am not as plugged into Latin culture are you are in California. As far as I know I am the only Gringo in the village. I have Tico friends and I hang out in local Tico bars with regular civilian Ticos. I only visit the gulch on the weekends (Every weekend as a matter of fact).

I may not be as plugged in as you, but my experience is that Ticos have a lot fewer hang-ups over sex than Mexicans. I am not saying there are not social tabus. No one wants their daughter to grow up to be a prostitute in Costa Rica, but it does not have the same stigma that it does in Mexico either. Many families in fact turn a blind eye to it in Costa Rica, while in Mexico, fathers will go to all means possible to keep their daughters from single men without supervision, much less give them access to mongers.

So lets follow your own logic my friend.

Would brag to your mom about how many prostitutes you banged on your last trip to Costa Rica? How about sharing pictures on the CRT web site with your mom?

Morally speaking, us mongers are at best on the same level as putas. I feel that it can be fairly argued that we have a lower moral and ethical standing.

Personally, I see absolutely nothing wrong with either. What two consenting adults do behind close doors is no one elese business as long as no one gets hurt.

There are all sorts of social norms that are just bogus. Inter-Racial relationships were at one time considered immoral, drinking was at one time considered immoral by society. Many feel that being homosexual is immoral, I don't see anyone judging Berk for it ...... :)

These are just a few examples and I am sure that we could each come up with scores of other examples.

I think the bottom line of this whole discussion; we are the last ones that should be making moral judgments about prostitutes. I don't see how anyone could call it anything but hypocrisy.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:48 pm 
I agree, the attitude in CR is different than in Mexico! CR is much more educated than Mexico - education opens minds.

I can't answer the rest of what you asked. There are just too many variables. At this point, explaining anything in more detail has become a huge waste of time.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:30 am 
D, Thanks for your contribution to the discussion. We don't need to agree on this topic. It is good to have these ideas put out there so that others can make up their own minds. Hopefully these discussions are valuable to others, after all that is the whole point of the board isn't it?


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:43 pm 
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I am still waiting for one of you guys to explain to me how a single mom is supposed to make it on her own on a $300 to $500 a month income.

For the life of me, I cannot add up the numbers, so you tell me!

If you are so wise in your deductive reasoning then please explain this to me. Explain it to all of us and I will never, ever stand up and defend these women ever again.

Otherwise button it up man, because you don't know what you are talking about.


Some skilled workers in garment maquiladoras are paid as much as $1-$2 an hour and work in modern, air-conditioned facilities.

There are several of these factories in Costa Rica. One of them is call Cimer S.A. They employ over 1000 young women in Costa Rica & El Salvador. The factory provides food, clothing, medical care and many other first world benefits. Many of the employees are single parents and have multiple Ch*ldren.

So if over a thousand workers at CIMER SA can do it.........


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