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What it sounds like is a change of venue may be necessary for the gringos with former pro wives. My experiences have been with women who migrated to a different city to work, then went home. They successfully maintain the illusion they were waiting tables or working in a factory. But in more educated Central America, this could be a problem.

The story about the guy whose Colombiana gf bailed on him is a sad one.
But I have a suspicion he knew what was going on, for some time really. Just turned a blind eye. The steps I mentioned probably would have helped him more than a bit.There is nothing wrong with a few soft tests to see how she reacts to things you view as important. But all these things should be done long before the "playing house" thing starts. And this is a very common mistake.

I have found pros in my two primary mongering venues, TJ and CR, to be very good friends. I have a few in the bars in TJ that will tell me which chicas will be a good fit to go out with, and which are nasty bitches. Over my five years of steady mongering and especially when I lived in TJ, these ladies adopted me as a brother and I consider them sisters. The killer part is several of them are hotties on most anyone's scale, but I have grown so close to them, I could not imagine myself as a client. I think of them as the women who showed up at my door with thier K*ds wanting to know if I would join them at McDonalds. One especially, the one I considered my closest sister, brought her 8 year old daughter over the day after I broke up with my live in novia, to sing me a song that had me laughing in the end.Have never met a civilian that would do that for anybody.

In CR I am still a bit too new to everything to have the deep friendships with the pros. But I have been on civilian type dates with a few that I correspond with regularly from a few mps, and a few that work the DR weekends. We both had fun and the only expenses were food and transportation.Does not get more civilian than that. I just returned from trip three last week and am planning on being in CR in April for my birthday with my tica amigas. So maybe I just have alot of luck, overall.

All in all guys, treat them with respect, always. If they do not repect you back, cut her loose. You do not need a bitch. Listen to your common sense and trust your instincts. And we will all have many great adventures in CR.

Yes Natalie was fine. A Del Rey woman much younger than I. She came up to my room and jst made herself at home, no tomer or nothing,

On subsequent trips we went to the beach, Those times were good but I could see anything more would be crazy and I speak really good Spanish.

- She was into cartoons... just watching cartoons in the room.

- When we has a fight about her using her cell phone during dinner she stormed out of the restaurant and went up to hre room like a teenager.

= Her style was sweet but cheap. Imagine wwalking around with a bathing suit and high platform shoes ??!!

- We watched novellas de amor on TV but after a while I would get bored with that.

These things were minor for just a 5 day trip but unacceptable for a serious relationship. Age difference matters. Cultural differences matter

Some good points to consider.

Talk about a sad Catch-22.

Monger Man has spent his entire adult life trying to get to the point where he has the money to do as he dreams. He doesn't see himself as being old, fat, wrinkled, ugly or whatever. The man in the mirror is still 30-something, just richer and more mature.

He comes to <insert mongering destination> after having worked so hard. He learns the local language as well as he can. The man in the mirror still looks thirty, but the heart inside the man feels 18, especially when "she" walks into his life.

Yes, age matters less to the local girl, especially if he has cash and she lives poorly. She'll overlook the grey hair and paunch as long as the money holds out, but inside she's still 19 going on 12, and when Bluto Localboy shows up with a better prick, more stamina and a better face, she begins to figure ways to get out from Old Guy.

Let me tell you a little, sad story.

I had wandered into Wacky Wanda's in Quepos, because somebody told me that I could maybe find out about p4p there. I met an old dude sitting by himself on a bar stool, drinking what I later learned was his eighth drink of the morning.

He was openly hostile, but I like hostile old men (hence my affection for some guys around here), so I bought him his ninth drink and listened to his story.

He had moved down to C.R. in 1990 at age 50, had sold his house, kissed his California life goodbye forever. His love, a 23 year-old "ex" pro was the love and light of his life.

Yeah... you know the story. Lost most of his cash either through the Brothers debacle or bad investments made with tico partners. The "ex" got caught still working, and later with a boyfriend she had before the gringo and she even met. In the end, she got his house in San Ramon, his car, and half of the little money he had left.

When I met him he was nearly seventy. Alone. On a barstool, hoping to die from the booze. His last words to me before I left the bar:

"Someday I'll grow the balls to just walk out into that ocean."

A caveat to all. Age, cultural and linguistic differences, differing expectations and different educational levels all spell almost certain doom in the long run for ex-mongers and ex-pros.

Friends? Absolutely. I have a small handful of local pro girl-acquaintances, introduced to me by a tico friend. We're friendly enough to share a smoke, smile and sip together. I've never sessioned with any of them.

Maybe friendship can work. Anything else, I'm very skeptical, despite Mr. Las Vegas' excellent points.

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The initial fascination , desire to be young again in spite of the years are nullified by realityif you carry things too far.

I assume the guy married her. I'm going to Quepos next week so maybe I'll ask directly.

He was actually around 65 when I met him. He may still be alive. Name as I recall was Jim. If he hasn't walked into the sea or drunk himself to death, tell him the blind man says hello.

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CD,

I think that the above is fairly true for the most part. Very few visitors to CR venture outside of GG or Jaco's BB in pursuit of female company.

Water takes the path of least resistance, CR is very "user friendly",
a guy can get by with no or minimal espanol. Colombia on the other hand is nowhere near as user friendly, however there are an abundance of attractive single regular chicas around. The Colombianas are not like the Ticas in as much that they all have 2 or more K*ds by the time that they are 19 by multiple dads. I really like this about the Paisas!

And because Col. is not as user friendly as CR it tends to attract a traveler who goes to more preparation for his travels. Many travelers to Col. start out there initial trip as a mongering Col. newbie but after a little time they quickly see that if one has a basic Spanish and a little game that you can have much more fun with the non pros.

And thats my 2K COPs,
Rainman3

Don Carlos - What about taking the chica back to the states and marrying her there ??? Assuming sh'e not a " working girl" but has means of support but not a much as the gringo partner.

Wayne

Good points DC and I've wondered if any gringos think ahead about these things. I'm observing a gringo/tica marriage and it doesn't look all that wonderful to me. The separation anxiety from family, lousy english, having to learn to drive and lack of job skills make your cute wife dependent on you for everything, everyday. Have a K*D and that will keep her busy but now you have 2 dependents screaming at you. Of course this scenario is not of an educated woman with values, class and maturity so things could be much better if a gringo seeking an esposa chooses wisely and looks elsewhere. (like I don't know maybe someplace besides the gulch )

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Just my opinion, but:

1. If you want to make it work, first be very selective in the "working" girl. Their situations are very different as are they.

2. In my opinion, paying her rent while you are mostly absent is a complete losing proposition. Even if you are prsent, moving in to her abode makes you the "guest", not the jefe.

3. If you speak the language and can be on-site and the girl has the prerequisites (preferably none or few offspring, etc.) in my opinion, you must establish your own residence, then bring her into the fold. Then you are not "paying her bills", you are paying your bills and she is along for the ride. It changes the dynamic when she is riding in hefe's wake instead of running the show.

4. She has to have some way that she can have "worth" beside that fact that she is sleeping with hefe. Otherwise, her self image will remain "puta" and she will just see you as the latest in a line of suckers. Want to change her persona? Give her a new way to be valuable, even if it is just maintaining the household. Her ass does not sit in front of the TV until the house is perfect. Hold her accountable for her responsibilities outside the bedroom. Catch her being successful and reward the effort. Her self image will change as she realizes she is more than a sperm receptacle.

5. Be demanding, not nurturing. Nurturing is for mommie, you are hefe. When you coddle her and acquiesce to her demands she loses respect for you by the minute. She must know that her continued participation is based on her compliance with your demands, not the other way around. Come weak to the relationship and go home broke and beaten.

Of course, all of this goes out the window when we "fall in love" with no planning and no strategy or goal. Some live their whole lives allowing life to wash over them like a tidal wave. When they wash up on the beach they complain about what has "happened to them" with no regard for the fact that they are completely responsible for the outcome. If you see yourself in this description, my best advice is to keep all women on a pay-by-the-hour basis. Just MHO.

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but your love don't pay my bills,
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Sounds simular to pet training

When phucking becomes so much work, what is the point? haha I'm a lazy bastard when it comes to sex. This basically sounds like the same approach, with a few differences, to raising a teenager.... And believe me, the sex may be great, but hanging out with a good majority of these chicas is just that: taking care of a teenager.

Ok Don Carlos , all possible and I can add my experience with Maria , the Tica dentist to the list of possible problems with Tica/gringo marriages.



On the other hand I attended a meeting regarding a flood control project I am working on in California. The developer, City manager , myself ( senior engineer), owner of our company and a Jr Engineer were present. In casual conversation it came up the developer is going to Mexico for vacation . Why ?? To visit family of his Mexican wife. Wait a second says the City Manager " I have a Mexican wife too, " . I look at them and jokingly say " What is it with yoiu guys and the Mexican wives? " They say to me " It's the only way to go, Man ".

If you really want a novia, you have to get OUT OF THE GULCH! You're chances will skyrocket if you learn the language, be sincere, and take interest in their culture and lifestyle. You will not be seen as a paycheck or means of support when you meet Ticas out of the gulch. Believe it or not, I find many local Ticas to be very independent and proud. Often, they will offer to pay for my dinner and drinks but I never accept. I have had the opportunity to be in the company of the upper middle and very wealthy class of Tico families. And their way and life is quite similar to ours just a bit more laid back. And they are repulsed by gringo's coming and banging their chicks. I would never tell them I was in The Gulch for fear of losing good relationships, and they believe there is no reason to go there and a gringo there is only after 1 thing. When I am out of the Gulch for awhile in other places in CR, it is actually comical looking at the scene from their perspective. We would feel the same way if a bunch of a 70 year old "rico suaves"were coming to the USa and walking around the mall holding our girls'hands and feeling them up everywhere.

Guys, save yourselves a lot of trouble and forget about the relationship with a Puta, go down there and play your game knowing you are in adult disneyland. That's it, it's just a fantasy.


PURA VIDA!

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She had a good income it seemed so money wasn't the problem

Here's what happened:

We met and corresponded for a few months before my return trip. She lived in the suburb of Moravia . I doubt you guys know it since there's no reason to go there in general. It's middleclass, clean but has a guardpost at every intersection. Thje homes are all surrounded by bif gates and fences.

Her compound had a 8 ft high solid metal gate. After you ring the bell you are checked out thru a small peephole and let in as the gate slides open.

She lived with mother, mothers sister, sister, son , daughter and 2 pedigree dogs. Plus she has her dentist office there. She is the main breadwinner for the bunch so there is no way she would leave to live in the US. As for give me : Give up my bachelor pad with hot tub and picture window overlooking the San Francisco Bay to live with her and family in that prison compound ??? I DON"T THINK SO.

So to use the analogy the fight was over before I even entered the ring.