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Hey Romulus that was so good I just had to post it again - but does your advice also apply to 2008? It's a shame but a truth that more and more men are realizing. Most of the happily married couples I knew a few yrs. ago are no more and the men got raked over the coals at divorce. Makes a man wonder -why bother?
Interesting point you make about having a K*D also, a very cheap way to do it for sure. A chica told me this last year, she had a K*D from a gringo in the US that sends 600/month for support and I believe this is more than he's even required to send. Not a bad deal for both considering she raises the K*D, lives comfortably, he visits frequently and also gets to live how he wants, what a deal with no marriage contract. Let's see you raise a K*D for 600/month in the US! Hell maybe next trip I'll try to knock up a chica or two...
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But seriously does anyone have more comments on supporting K*ds in a non-marriage outside of the US like this? Although it appears selfish it also seems like a win-win unless the mujer was unstable (crazy hooker) and could cause problems but he could tell her if she did the money would stop. Chica wants a bebe and financial support, gringo wants to raise a K*D cheaply and have his freedom... Surely there are a few gringos doing this.

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Guys this is really good logic here...yes exactly right... what is our reasoning for signing a cursed one way contract these days.

Paco I have a friend doing that with a normal girl and it costs him 800 per month (seems high), legally she could probably only get 300 per month but things are working out well for him and hes happy because he holds all the cards without the burden of her holding a contract over his head. But his girl was/is not a working girl. Seems like a low risk way to have a longterm relationship and Ch*ldren.... as long as she is not devious and therein lies the problem because they all become devious eventually.

Anybody else have any thoughts on this.... interesting topic Paco

I really understand the idea of having K*ds out of wedlock with girls we meet in other countries so we could have them on the cheap and visit when it suits us- between mongering trips of course. That makes perfect sense to me. But I realize I am being selfish. Really, I'd rather have a "good" wife that lets me leave 6-8 times a year and do what I want. That would be the home run.

First, why in the world would someone not in a committed relationship want to have spawn? Is there some ego driven man-need to replicate? I thought that was a chick thing. We "spread our seed" but most pray it won't sprout.

Next thing: "...unless the mujer was unstable (crazy hooker)...". Excuse me... She is female, right? You are suggesting that non-"crazy hookers" are stable? Women, normal women, change regularly and without notice, sometimes radically and for no apparent reason. I think it would be safer to gather all your money in a big pile, go find some "crazy hooker", pass out on top the pile of money with a straight razor laying next to you than having a Ch*ld with a woman in a foreign country and trusting that she will be "stable". Come on, guys,

What makes you think you would remain "unmarried"? What would the authorities in CR call it if you set a woman up in a residence with your Ch*ld and stayed with her whenever you are in CR? As soon as the right time interval passed she could declare herself to be your wife and make it stick. If you bought the residence, she could claim abuse and take that, too.

In my opinion, anyone who gave this scheme a moments thought and still considered it a "good idea" is a candidate for justifiable forced sterilization, for his own good!

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Good observations pac55. However Im with Ticafan on this one.
Seems less risk in a foreign country, as long as you dont have a house and rent she cant take it from you.
And you are correct common law would kick in..BUT if you have no assets in said country and she tries to claim common law and then divorce you and take your assets in the US that is very difficult for her to do it would be a legal nightmare for her and too expensive and NO attorney would take that case on a contingent basis NEVER, you think US divorce attorneys are expensive imagine what it would cost in a common law marriage divorce that crossed international borders the cost would be astronomical and all in all it just would never be won in court . But you are correct any assets in CR would be at risk just rent everything in CR, car house boat girl whatever.

This is how I understand it works in CR: If you have offspring with a Tica, you are required to leave $75,000 US dollars in a trust for your spawn before you are allowed to leave the country. Yes, you might be able to bribe your way out but you could never return.

Why the need to replicate? What is with you guys????

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Hey guys you all make your points & if it was a perfect world I could understand this a little better. Women are not stable for the most part working or non working IMHO. Then you go make a Ch*ld with one & just want to drop in & see how things are going & leave when you want. Yeah right??? I love little people & would protect any from harm with my own life. There is nothing more precious on this planet & they need to be loved & taken care off. They need security & stability. Don't make what you don't take care of & want to follow thru with. What kind of person would do this??

How would you like to have a father like this??? I would probably be more in love & protective with the Ch*ldren than her. Then you leave & she has some macho assholes over abusing the ones you made & love?? Give me a break. Yes I know this is not what any of us would want but it is an unfortunate reality if you are not Johnny on the spot to take care of them. In a perfect world none of this would happen but wake up this world is a mess with lots of messed up people galore!

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75K sounds steep unbelievable.... I heard 5K bond but I heard it from Norman the guy at DR all the time so that info is probably bogus. And if you cant post the 5K then you can not leave CR so all in all Pac55 you are correct it could be a real headache

Zippy good points all around.

Committed or not, why is that we want to have sex so often with other girls? It seems to be a true paradox. We don't want the K*ds we risk having but have to have the sex. Surely the drive to towards different girls that spark our desire and the subsequent fading of our desire to be with a girl(s) we have already been with even if only a few times is somehow interrelated to our primal drive to procreate. It almost has to be. Yet on the conscious side we have the desire not to have the K*ds by "accident" knowing it would create tremendous constraints on our lives. Yet why is it that we know if we phuck, we could phuck up badly yet we keep doing it? Something compels us deeply and I can only imagine it is too DNA driven to unmask.

Having said that, the only real reason for any of us to have K*ds is out of a combination of true love, compatibility, and desire for a particular girl... and that maybe you want to have K*ds with her. But if you are one of the type that really does not ever want K*ds; and NEED a relationship to be happy then there is no reason to get married- none whatsoever. The idea of "sharing" lives is somewhat silly me but I guess it works for some people.

There are some circumstances I can really identify with where an avid mongerer might marry. I could really understand it if especially after mongering freely for a number of years a guy decided that he has had enough sex to last a lifetime and decides to stay with one girl, marry, and at least have the possibility to have K*ds. I could also understand a guy deciding he only wants one girl to marry and to have his K*ds. I believe in the realm of relationships all those reasons are valid and work just fine, assuming of course the guy is not saddled by codependent needs, clouded by fool hearted lust, blinded by the difference in what he believes is a real genuine match to what he really has- a money hungry bitchy girl just waiting to turn the table on him.

I would be happy to have K*ds someday if it were the right circumstances and those could come from a variety of situations. If I did have K*ds intentionally and with the desire to be a "dad" at some level I would want to have respect for the mom and who she is because my K*ds are likely to resemble her and even eventually act like her. So I think that's important. Any idea that we can just have K*ds with a girl just to get it out of the way is I think very irresponsible as well as unrealistic.

Give me a nice girl that I really like who lets me at least start out leaving occasionally for some trips and I'm happy. But I think that's really unrealistic. How great would it be to be married, have K*ds with a girl you like, and be able to do guilt-free mongering? I know, it's almost too good to be true but it does happen.

If you do decide to marry, please be a really good husband and follow follow Craig's advice.
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For this old fart, who is "shooting blanks", I have no worries about procreating anymore. What a blessing, for me anyway. Once I'm not ready for sex with a strange, hot, young poosey, get the pine box ready. It is one of the reasons I seldom session with the same lady twice. Hell, if I am renting it, give me a new model. To me it is similar to renting a car, and asking for the same one you drove last time. Why?

I have been married once, and as soon as the ring was on, the rules of the game changed. She was pregnant at the time, and she never went back to the lady that I grew to love (or thought I loved). I own my share of the failure, due to "giving my balls up" in the marriage. I finally accepted my fate of staying in a miserable marriage, "for the K*ds", until she made it seem impossible to even have an outward appearance of marriage. I used to have to watch her get dressed for her dates, while I took care of the girls.

While separating/divorce made my life much easier, it put a great hurting on my daughters. They didn't ask for the pile of stinking sh*t that we handed them, but they had no choice but to accept it. Something I will never forget is the involuntary wail from my daughters, immediately, when I told them I was moving out. My biggest failure in life will always be not giving my daughters a single house, with an in tact family. While I hurt greatly from my divorce, but soon got over the hurt, my girls will always carry the hurt of losing their family in some way. For that I wish I had eaten a bit more sh*t, and they would be better for it.

Prior to getting married, and having Ch*ldren, please think about the next, at least, eighteen years, and staying even if it hurts you, your Ch*ldren deserve that much. If you leave, you will hurt your Ch*ldren probably more than they will ever be hurt again. I failed at this, and if one family/man can learn from my failure it was worth bearing my soul.

Sorry if it seems that I am on a soap box about this. Once you have Ch*ldren, IMHO, it is no longer about what is best for you or her, but what is best for them. My Ch*ldren didn't deserve the hand that was dealt them.

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First of all relax P55 maybe a guy wants to have a K*D, maybe so he'll have somebody to leave his money to, maybe he has a mid-life thing and thinks he'd better get busy before it's too late, I don't know why but have seen it happen.

By saying stable I was thinking she would not be some drug-addict, alcoholic, puta running wild but more of a normal chica that wants a bebe. They're gonna get knocked up and have one anyway with local "Dad" long gone and out of the picture soon enough.

I guess you're talking about common-law marriage which is exactly one thing to avoid. Why buy a residence, stay with her or even "put her up" in the first place? I'm aware of the potential problems that can come from a false abuse claim if she gets pissed about something and this is why I mentioned telling her the support would stop if she pulled some crap like that.


OK but not only have some given it thought they are doing it and no doubt some are members here. I know of another chica in the same situation, gringo in FL sends closer to 1k every month. Sure she has done most of the hard work raising the lad but it's not really work to her and he's now about 5, the older he gets the more gringo dad enjoys spending time with him and has more frequent visits. He goes to a good school and is learning english. Dad stays in a hotel when in CR and has some type of legal agreement set up by a lawyer for his protection and rights. How is this really a bad scenario for anyone? Would the K*D be better off with some absentee Tico dad that provides NOTHING? He will have a good life, speak english and the best education available probably including college and I assume at age of consent will have the choice to go visit or live with Dad in the US if he chooses?
I think the big factor in this scenario is having a "stable" woman that won't blow the money on BS and stay on board for the long haul but being the master at getting women to do what you want P55 wouldn't keeping an immature, simple chica under control most of the time be fairly easy? Especially if her and the K*ds needs are being met fairly generously...

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Ever try to herd cats? I supervised air traffic controllers for a long time but I wouldn't even suggest that I could influence, let alone predict, what a women is going to do over the course of 18 years.

Practically, if you want to be assured of the offspring's availability to you at your leisure, the recommended course of action would be to abscond with the spawn as soon as he is weened and hire someone to raise him. His natural mother will see the connection and will be sorely tempted to use the leverage for more commitment in her long term security.

You would be at a tremendous disadvantage. If you tried to exert too much influence or control, she could simply move and use access to your offspring to keep the money coming. As soon as she drops the frog you are at her mercy.

Do what you want, but this has the earmarks to make a TrollRide drama look like a cartoon, IMHO. This has all the potential to turn the K*D into the ultimate loser and for what, the ego of the gringo? I can't see any up side to it, but that is just me.

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[quote="Santas Bro"] Something I will never forget is the involuntary wail from my daughters, immediately, when I told them I was moving out. My biggest failure in life will always be not giving my daughters a single house, with an in tact family.

My 2 boys were 12 and 15 when my marriage ended and it was something that I won't forget or care to have happen to me again. My 12 yr old cried so hard during that time and it changed him so much. He went from a happy K*D to a troubled out of control Ch*ld in a few months. I will always believe that K*ds need both parents together

Hankkh and Santas Bro- thanks for your candor and sharing your experience. I can imagine that would be a difficult situation and I agree with Hank that K*ds need both parents.
Pac- wise as always.

I personally am dumbfounded and appalled that there are people who seem to endorse procreation with a woman in a foreign country to avoid responsibility. Jim Witkowski may think its a good idea, but come on. Perhaps to avoid Ch*ld support? Perhaps to avoid marrage? That is a great idea . At present in our Sunshine State we have an average daily population in the Department of Correction of approximately 90,000 inmates. In Broward County the county pays $90 per day per inmate to house individuals at its jail facilities, which accomodoate approxiately 5,000 on any given day. I contend that a lot (probably a majority) of these folks came from single parent houselholds, mostly where the father was absent. Perhaps if you do not want to commit to a woman, or the responsibilities that come with reproducing yourself, you should practice safe sex.


I am sorry for my rant but I have never seen such misguided opinions as to having Ch*ldren. But I can't help but think Paco had his tongue in his cheek.

Yes I was joking about knocking up a chica or two of course but not about being curious of the topic and details of the arrangements. Don't worry I'm not planning on it but Romulus didn't just invent the idea and there are guys doing it. I was just curious about things like the legal ramifications involved or how CR sets a minimum dollar amount for support but in the 2 cases I have heard about the guys send much more than required. I assume the K*D would eventually be able to visit the US and have a US passport but surely not being married would affect certain things, I'll just ask a CR abagado if nobody here steps up.

Kind of surprised at the negative reactions to this topic. Let me get this straight- I guess if a guy barebacks with his novia, knocks her up, then decides to do the "right thing" by supporting them from afar he would probably be a stand up guy in your eyes... but if the same guy and his novia have already planned to do the same thing before the pregnancy then this somehow makes the same guy stupid, irresponsible and selfish? Mia2ewr your speculation of the FL prison population is quite a stretch and really has nothing to do with this. Sure it would be wonderful if every Ch*ld had a 2 parent home but they don't and wow-I didn't end up in the state pen and neither are any other people I know that grew up from broken homes. Surely there are mongers that have knocked up chicas then bailed, shouldn't those bums be the target of you guys' wrath instead of the responsible guys providing a good life for the woman and K*D in another country?

OK P55 I get it- women aren't always stable but that doesn't prevent us from ever getting involved with any of them long term or having K*ds. It's a crap shoot no matter what the circumstances. No idea where you get that astronomical figure of "75,000 in a trust before you can leave the country" info but seriously doubt it's correct.
Ultimate loser? That's an ignorant statement since he'd have much more advantage than his peers with deadbeat dads that will never get out of the barrio, learn English or have any successful influence in their lives but I've already covered that. Look at all the chicas with 2-4 K*ds from different dads selling themselves to support the K*ds and extended family, or not and just perpetuating the cycle of poverty- yeah they're much better off.

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