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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 8:20 pm 
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And many of the girls in the latin countries are fake profiles designed to entrap men into doing something they could get in trouble for back home.


I personally have not come across those and all the information from the girls I have met online have also been confirmed by reading this forum. Not that it isn't happening but, I guess if you do not do due diligence it is possible. I will agree that some of the girls did drop their last name from their profile over time and others do not post a lot.

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Okay, so I'm relatively new at this, and have received only one (well, maybe one and a half) RFM. But here are the basics of this as I understand it:

1) Guys don't like RFMs, and why?
a) Because it ruins some of the fantasy. Perhaps they think the chica has some feelings for him, and this kind of spoils it, back to reality time. You don't give out contact info unless there's more than the usual session-and-move-on thing going down.
b) It's a pain to deal with. This is another fantasy, I think, it's only as tough as you make it. Right, Cujo?
c) It makes the guy feel like a chump, an easy mark, even without paying.
d) There is another potential downside, which is the risk of losing something that was good, whatever it was.

2) What is the chica-think behind an RFM?
a) They're in this game because of third-world realities, particularly for women, and most particularly for single mothers.
b) Means they're in it for the money, even if it's easier and more lucrative than other lines of work, even if they actually like the partying, the sex or whatever.
c) The RFM is just another way to enhance this income, and one focuses those efforts on the most-likely targets.
d) That means the most gullible, sure, but more likely guys who are kind, generous, who seems to have real feelings for them, which are the things most easily noted. Not much point in sending an RFM to an established asshole who shows no respect for them.

3) So what's behind 1d above?
a) The risk is that the guy will be turned off by the RFM and the good deal in place will fall apart. So is the potential upside so much greater than the downside for the chica that they'll always accept that risk?
b) If 2d is correct, then there is no logical reason that a chica will blow up an established income source after floating a failed RFM - a nice guy who is a repeat customer and is generous with them has to be gold in this business, right?
c) Or is this part of the "they're not business geniuses" thing? - they get caught up in their own fantasy play, they get insulted by the rebuff, something, and the good thing for both people ends.

Anyway, my impression is that this RFM business gets so much air time here because of a disconnect in the fundamental nature of these business transactions and poor decision-making by the participants, even given that this is the most personal and emotional kind of business transaction. In my one case I never even considered sending money, although I certainly did give the whole business a lot of thought, including how to respond, and what the reaction might be. There was no drama, fortunately, and things were great the next time I was down.

But lately more barely-subtle hints at how tough things are, which seemed like a very gentle 2nd attempt, and maybe just to make sure that's considered when I decide what to pay her next time down (we have never talked at all about money otherwise), who knows. But also a continued risk that the financial play will taint the relationship - who wants to hear about money problems from any woman, when the underlying message is that you're expected to do something about it? Especially when you are being generous to start with. So, on the whole, I do wish it had never started, but when you get to know one of these chicas and start to care for her even a little, especially one with Babi*s to care for, this sort of thing seems just a bit inevitable.

It does seem like a fair tradeoff for being able to access relatively cheap and easy sex with quite desirable women, which is entirely based upon the relative economics involved. So buck up, guys, I guess we just have to accept it and learn to live with it...

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:43 pm 
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My university has been sending me RFM for many years since I graduated. At least the chicas look better than the fuckers here begging!


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For reporters to get to you they need access to your profile. I guess if you are a complete moron it is possible and facebook security is not necessarily something I would rely on. But, that said unless those same reporters want the same problems currently happening with the tabloids in the United Kingdom (Rupert Murdoch - News Corp.). I just don't buy it. All hell would break lose if reporters were doing this. Do you have an example in which the content was not public?


I am not on Facebook, but from what I understand, there are various levels of what you reveal publicly. Depending on what you allow the public to see may be a vector for access. They may contact one of your "friends," and ask them to send them screenshots or even log in and let them see via your friend's account.

The reporter can ask to be your "friend." They can create an account with a name of one of your associates and try to be your "friend." You see a friend request from somebody you know and accept it not knowing it's from a counterfeit aquaintence. All legal means that don't require hacking or breaking any eavesdropping laws.

Plus we haven't even discussed Twitter as a means to learn other vectors.

Like I said, I don't have a FB account, but is there a way for you to keep your "friends," from not seeing who else is your "friend?" FB accounts others have shown me, shows all of your friends. I would not want all the chicas to know everyone I know much less other Ticas. They love to collude and share notes. If they know you paid Cien before with one girl, they will want Cien this time you are seeing them.


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Some of the chicas have been very successful at RFM's and they like to brag about it to other chicas. So when a chica hears about how much money her friend got just for asking she decides to try it herself. And who is she gonna ask? The nice polite gringo who tipped her for the great service she provided.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:38 am 
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I will have to agree to disagree the means you suggest are legal or within the FB account agreement. However to answer your question. Non of my friends can see my other friends or much else unless I want them to. As for fraudulent representation of another person. There is nothing too special about me that is not already public nor do I publically engage in any relationship public.

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I have to agree that RFMs are a popular form of income.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:19 pm 
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House56 wrote:
Okay, so I'm relatively new at this, and have received only one (well, maybe one and a half) RFM. But here are the basics of this as I understand it:

1) Guys don't like RFMs, and why?
a) Because it ruins some of the fantasy. Perhaps they think the chica has some feelings for him, and this kind of spoils it, back to reality time. You don't give out contact info unless there's more than the usual session-and-move-on thing going down.
b) It's a pain to deal with. This is another fantasy, I think, it's only as tough as you make it. Right, Cujo?
c) It makes the guy feel like a chump, an easy mark, even without paying.
d) There is another potential downside, which is the risk of losing something that was good, whatever it was.

2) What is the chica-think behind an RFM?
a) They're in this game because of third-world realities, particularly for women, and most particularly for single mothers.
b) Means they're in it for the money, even if it's easier and more lucrative than other lines of work, even if they actually like the partying, the sex or whatever.
c) The RFM is just another way to enhance this income, and one focuses those efforts on the most-likely targets.
d) That means the most gullible, sure, but more likely guys who are kind, generous, who seems to have real feelings for them, which are the things most easily noted. Not much point in sending an RFM to an established asshole who shows no respect for them.

3) So what's behind 1d above?
a) The risk is that the guy will be turned off by the RFM and the good deal in place will fall apart. So is the potential upside so much greater than the downside for the chica that they'll always accept that risk?
b) If 2d is correct, then there is no logical reason that a chica will blow up an established income source after floating a failed RFM - a nice guy who is a repeat customer and is generous with them has to be gold in this business, right?
c) Or is this part of the "they're not business geniuses" thing? - they get caught up in their own fantasy play, they get insulted by the rebuff, something, and the good thing for both people ends.

Anyway, my impression is that this RFM business gets so much air time here because of a disconnect in the fundamental nature of these business transactions and poor decision-making by the participants, even given that this is the most personal and emotional kind of business transaction. In my one case I never even considered sending money, although I certainly did give the whole business a lot of thought, including how to respond, and what the reaction might be. There was no drama, fortunately, and things were great the next time I was down.

But lately more barely-subtle hints at how tough things are, which seemed like a very gentle 2nd attempt, and maybe just to make sure that's considered when I decide what to pay her next time down (we have never talked at all about money otherwise), who knows. But also a continued risk that the financial play will taint the relationship - who wants to hear about money problems from any woman, when the underlying message is that you're expected to do something about it? Especially when you are being generous to start with. So, on the whole, I do wish it had never started, but when you get to know one of these chicas and start to care for her even a little, especially one with Babi*s to care for, this sort of thing seems just a bit inevitable.

It does seem like a fair tradeoff for being able to access relatively cheap and easy sex with quite desirable women, which is entirely based upon the relative economics involved. So buck up, guys, I guess we just have to accept it and learn to live with it...


Too much detail/over thinking.....

1- Chicas are whores out to make money by phucking gringos
2- RFM's (an extension of the session) are sent to guys they have phucked that they feel is a sucker for their lies of no food, baby sick,
baby in hospital etc
3- 95% of guys that send $$ to putas are suckers. There may be an exception, but it is rare

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That pretty much sums it up Seabreeze.


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I think 95% is generous more like 99.9% but I agree 100%.

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Let's say for example that you sell a car, Television, electronic device, computer etc. Now you try to sell the extended warranty which is like a RFM. You will never use the extended warranty if you're car,TV, computer never breaks down, but you've already paid upfront for it. But It's like insurance. An RFM is like buying insurance from an insurance man who will give you no policy and pay no money if you have a claim. It's worthless


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Like I've said..best thing is to not be a guy who is RFM'able... RFM's isn't "part of the culture" or whatever else needs to be said to make it better for mongers..It's a clear sign she don't give a fugg what you think about it, and maybe (because you showed her u like her so much) you will send the money..

Because if she really liked you, she would be embarrassed to ask and know its ugly/disrespectful... :idea: :|


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:40 am 
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BonePony wrote:
"Being overly nice will only make them treat you worse."
Truer words have never been spoken!!!


Seabreeze wrote:
1- Chicas are whores out to make money by phucking gringos
2- RFM's (an extension of the session) are sent to guys they have phucked that they feel is a sucker for their lies of no food, baby sick,
baby in hospital etc


Sounds like you guys are in town to make damned sure that these bad womans get exactly what they deserve. Someone's got to do it, right?, and we sure can't count on the suckers... :|

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3- 95% of guys that send $$ to putas are suckers. There may be an exception, but it is rare


Can't exactly argue with that, although that's putting it a bit harshly. I'd be more inclined to say almost all the time it's a bad or at least unwise investment, and very often, based on what I hear and would assume, involves exaggerations or outright lies on their part. On the other hand, I am disinclined to be too harsh on other guys, when it comes to what they do related to women: http://www.wingkong.net/media/video/indeed.asf

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Like I've said..best thing is to not be a guy who is RFM'able... RFM's isn't "part of the culture" or whatever else needs to be said to make it better for mongers..It's a clear sign she don't give a fugg what you think about it, and maybe (because you showed her u like her so much) you will send the money..

Because if she really liked you, she would be embarrassed to ask and know its ugly/disrespectful... :idea: :|


Interesting take on things. Although it's based on a pretty black-and-white assumption, "she don't give a fugg what you think" vs. "she really likes you", and I think there's an awful lot of ground between those points. In my one situation the chica is 34 years younger than me, so I'm not fool enough to think there's any possibility of anything but a money-based "romantic" situation between us. But I'm also not some fat Phuck who has missing teeth and doesn't shower while on vacation, and I treat her very well and never like a whore, nor do I ignore that fact that this is what she is. So I think she can and probably does like me, as a customer. She claims she loves me, but that's just part of the game, the GFE thing that she has every reason to believe I like. So I kind of doubt that she simply doesn't care what I think about her floating an RFM.

I also don't quite buy the notion that these chicas view an RFM as embarrassing and ugly or disrespectful, or that it isn't part of their subculture. To the contrary, based on what I read here, it seems incredibly common. We're talking about a place where you can have sex with a woman for $30, and the most beautiful one you can find for $100, which says something about supply and demand in that market and the economics of the place.

I've seen chicas sit in the bar at the SL night after night and not get a nibble. When I was down in April and at dinner with mi favorita her amiga mejor called and told her that she'd turned down a $60 offer and so was going home without a score there, and appeared to be looking for support for that decision, which seemed like a big deal. [Even though she'd come from the HLH, where she'd take $40 for a session without batting an eye, I'm sure. I guess that's just the flip side of all the talk here about how much one should and shouldn't pay, and the old real estate adage - it all comes down to location, location, location.]

What I'm saying is this is a business, and a tough one in some respects, and I can understand these chicas doing what they feel they have to in order to make a decent living. And they may feel totally entitled to that money, given what they give and with their perception of how well-off the guys are who come down there. Shit, a lot of them will flat-out steal from guys (although I don't think I've run into that kind yet); what would make asking for some money so ugly in comparison?

Now, that's not to say that gross lies and other efforts to repeatedly fleece some poor bastard aren't totally wrong. But that's not the nature of all RFMs, either.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:32 am 
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Good stuff House56! You seem to have a pretty solid grip on the female latina psyche. And a point you made i would like to reiterate.... you can't ignore the economic imbalance between us and them. We are the rich gringo and they live in a closet with 9 relatives. surprise surprise they ask for a little money!

It is gift from God that we have easy sexual access to these "beautiful creatures"... once in awhile we get an RFM? Just say no. she'll bitch and moan but will get over it. For those of us who have Ch*ldren it's familiar. NO show's who's boss. YES is weakness.

Those who send money... do this test... what is the chica's attitude towards you AFTER you send the WU? Look closely. You may get a quick "Gracias amor" ... but then she curoiusly gets distant, unavailable, unresponsive. Sending money has zero benefit for YOU unless you need to fell Good about yourself, helping the poor etc.

Remember also whether you sent 20, 200 or 2000 or 20,000 it will immediately evaporate into the great hole of poverty they live in. You will get another and bigger RFM shortly.

If you have a favorita don't get your knickers in a twist if she gets RFM money from other guys. I used to go to WU office at Pali with my Nica in Heredia for years to collect the money. She"d then buy a nice steak and cook it for me... thanks fellas!

My current favorita in Colombia has this chump on the hook (Shhh... don' tell him ! :shock: :lol: ) .. She never met the guy but they talk on skype and facebook. He once got snookered into sending 100. Never met her. :roll: Now she goes into action... he's pegged as a softy in her eyes... Last time i was down there she says hey its this guys birthday do you mind if i skype him and wish him a happy birthday? I say sure why not. Well she sings and dances "Feliz cumpleanos" over skype... at first im like WTF... but then BAMMM he sends 200 USD! Can you blame her? Smart chica! And it benefits her favorito too :wink: Thanks bro

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