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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:48 am 
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Kind of surprised at the negative reactions to this topic. Let me get this straight- I guess if a guy barebacks with his novia, knocks her up, then decides to do the "right thing" by supporting them from afar he would probably be a stand up guy in your eyes...


No. In my eyes he is a complete moron for ever considering going bareback with a working girl. He knows about STDs and is the cause of their spread. If everyone used condoms the STD rate would drop like a rock. Besides that, he is acting the fool trusting that the chica will take care of birth control. How dumb is that when she sees him as her meal ticket out of the gulch? We all know how dumb it is to send money, how much dumber is it to bareback working girls? Just my $.02, since you asked.

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This has all the potential to turn the K*D into the ultimate loser and for what, the ego of the gringo? I can't see any up side to it, but that is just me.
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Ultimate loser? That's an ignorant statement since he'd have much more advantage than his peers with deadbeat dads that will never get out of the barrio, learn English or have any successful influence in their lives but I've already covered that.

You seem to assume that you would continue to involved in some way. I see it differently. I suspect that sometime in the first five years he gets pissed at her or she gets pissed at him and the two sever ties. Either the guy would get sick and tired of he ever increasing demands for money or the woman would get tired of the gringo always trying to control her and the spawn. In my opinion, the odds that the gringo would even know where in the world his son/daughter was by their tenth birthday are very long, in my humble opinion.

Quite the legacy, the illegitimate offspring of a working girl and a non-resident gringo. I don't think the general populous is going to regard him as "fortunate" or "advantaged". In my opinion, he would probably grow up never knowing his father's name and his mother would never have a good thing to say about Dad.

In my opinion, rearing offspring is just like having a novia: You have got to be on-site. Thoughts of having a "genuine" relationship long distance is a fantasy, let alone raising a Ch*ld by proxy.

How would the K*D see Dad? He lives in squalor with his prostitute mother while Dad lives high on the hog in the US with his "real" family or whatever his real priority is. The spawn is damn sure going to know that he is not #1 in Dad's eyes, he's just his Dad's part time son. Recipe for a fine relationship, but that is just my opinion.

PS: I heard the $75,000 from more than one CR resident expat. It is just what I heard but seems reasonable when you consider that they are talking 18 years of support. How else could they ensure that the gringo would send any support at all?

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I’ve been following this thread, and I finally decided to jump in. To me, some of the comments are absolutely amazing.

Romulus wrote:
If you want K*ds, just make an arrangement with another girl in another country (ie, send them money every month and visit them as much as you like/want/can).
No committments, no long term contract = no bs.

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PacoLoco wrote:
Although it appears selfish it also seems like a win-win unless the mujer was unstable

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HunterS wrote:
Seems like a low risk way to have a longterm relationship and Ch*ldren....


:shock: :shock: :shock: Hello ????? Is anyone thinking about the K*ds here, the innocent victims ?!?!!?!?!?

Santas Bro wrote:
...Once you have Ch*ldren, IMHO, it is no longer about what is best for you or her, but what is best for them...

Great quote, and I agree 200 percent.

Santas Bro - your quote above is the best thing I've seen posted, regarding this current topic of "temporary, convenient or occasional fatherhood". Why would anyone want to father a Ch*ld, for the sole purpose of “having a child” ? Just so you can visit that Ch*ld when you happen to be in that country every so often ? While this may be convenient or “cost effective” for you, IMHO it’s very selfish and very irresponsible. And what about the Ch*ld ? This is a Ch*ld we’re talking about here. A small human being. This is an innocent little person who had no choice in the matter, when it came to his/her life, or the world he/she lives in. How about the way that they feel?

I don’t want to get into a “pro-choice” or “pro-life” discussion here. This has nothing to do with that. This is about INTENTIONALLY procreating, and then forwarding some pre-arranged amount of money to the mother every month - just so you can have offspring to visit when you travel to that country, or just so you can feel like a father. And yes, there’s always going to be single-moms, where the abusive-druggy-husband/boyfriend leaves her with the Ch*ld, with no support. We all know chica’s in this scenario. But we can’t do anything about those existing situations.

As SB pointed out in his post - it’s bad enough for a Ch*ld that has to deal with the realities of his/her parents parting ways, and living their future in a broken home, from a broken family, and/or with only one parent. But why would anyone INTENTIONALLY subject a Ch*ld to this type of environment from the very start? To me, this is extremely unfair to the Ch*ld, and will usually have long-term, adverse affects. A child’s upbringing is something that stays with them forever, and it is one of the most important factors in the type of person that he/she will become in their adult life. Is there anyone on this board that CAN’T remember their childhood?

I don’t know how someone could think that this would be a great arrangement. As a father myself, I can’t even fathom being in a situation like this. Granted, if it happened by accident, I think that most of the guys that I know would do the right thing. BUT TO DO THIS INTENTIONALLY? To a parent, your children’s well-being is one of the most important things in their life. And I don’t know any parent who wouldn’t lay down their own life for the life of their Ch*ld. How could anyone take that lightly?

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First, why in the world would someone not in a committed relationship want to have spawn? Is there some ego driven man-need to replicate? I thought that was a chick thing. We "spread our seed" but most pray it won't sprout. In my opinion, anyone who gave this scheme a moments thought and still considered it a "good idea" is a candidate for justifiable forced sterilization, for his own good! :shock:


Zippy wrote:
...Women are not stable for the most part working or non working IMHO. Then you go make a Ch*ld with one & just want to drop in & see how things are going & leave when you want. Yeah right??? I love little people & would protect any from harm with my own life. There is nothing more precious on this planet & they need to be loved & taken care off. They need security & stability. Don't make what you don't take care of & want to follow thru with. What kind of person would do this??
How would you like to have a father like this??? I would probably be more in love & protective with the Ch*ldren than her. Then you leave & she has some macho assholes over abusing the ones you made & love?? Give me a break. Yes I know this is not what any of us would want but it is an unfortunate reality if you are not Johnny on the spot to take care of them.


Mia2Ewr wrote:
I personally am dumbfounded and appalled that there are people who seem to endorse procreation with a woman in a foreign country to avoid responsibility.


Pac55, Zippy, Mia2Ewr,

Thanks for the above comments. IMHO, they are dead on! This topic is not about “accidentally” knocking up a chica, and then doing the right thing.

Any male can be a daddy. But it takes a good man to be a true “father”.

Sorry for the rant, but I don’t know how this topic could be a YMMV kind of thing…… :?

P.S. Pac55 - You and I posted these latest comments at the exact same time!

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Great minds think alike, MG. In this case, even our less than great minds seem synced. I could not agree with your post more if I had written it myself.

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I think you all have made great points...on both sides. There will never be any agreements on this subject. Me personally I have never had K*ds and dont plan on it, so I can not make any well qualified judgements on this subject.

For My buddy who has supported his K*D down here for five years it has changed the girls life. Before she had two sons from two different ticos which both abused her and left her with no support. He came in and had a daughter with her and now fully supports her going on five years now. She thinks my buddy is the best person on the planet and so does the whole family. So Pac55 in this scenario and a couple others I have witnessed you and MG are dead on flat out wrong about what is best for all parties. Its hilarious to see you take a moral highground perhaps because your daily life (inCR) is rather decadent in nature and this statement of yours provides absolution who knows. But heres what I know and yes three cases are my only reference point and my disclaimer is I have no personal experience so of course my opinion is less than qualified but I have witnessed three successful cases and I have yet to see and cases where the gringo bailed...although Im sure they exist.

Disclaimer: I could be completely wrong about any opinions stated above because everybody can reference their own cases to prove otherwise but this is what I have witnessed.


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Pacifica55 wrote:
No. In my eyes he is a complete moron for ever considering going bareback with a working girl. He knows about STDs and is the cause of their spread. If everyone used condoms the STD rate would drop like a rock. Besides that, he is acting the fool trusting that the chica will take care of birth control. How dumb is that when she sees him as her meal ticket out of the gulch? We all know how dumb it is to send money, how much dumber is it to bareback working girls? Just my $.02, since you asked.
Well I didn't ask anything about barebacking working girls or STDs or birth control did I? In in fact how many times have I stated in this thread it would be best if she was stable and NOT a working girl. Not sure why you wandered off on that tangent, seems you just like to argue.
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For My buddy who has supported his K*D down here for five years it has changed the girls life. Before she had two sons from two different ticos which both abused her and left her with no support. He came in and had a daughter with her and now fully supports her going on five years now. She thinks my buddy is the best person on the planet and so does the whole family. So Pac55 in this scenario and a couple others I have witnessed you and MG are dead on flat out wrong about what is best for all parties. Its hilarious to see you take a moral highground perhaps because your daily life (inCR) is rather decadent in nature and this statement of yours provides absolution who knows.
Wow another case surfaces and it seems everyone is happy in the situation with the K*D and mother benefiting greatly. Thank you HunterS for braving the know-it-all and whats-best for everyone mentality overflowing from an overbearing ego in this thread. It is sort of humbling being preached down to from those upon the throne that bang putas for fun just like us. :lol:

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HunterS wrote:
For My buddy who has supported his K*D down here for five years it has changed the girls life. Before she had two sons from two different ticos which both abused her and left her with no support. He came in and had a daughter with her and now fully supports her going on five years now.


Five whole years? That is great and a little over 1/4 the way to 18. I am all for the guy and hope it all works out great. I am certain there are exceptions, but I still think the majority don't make it to 18 supporting their offspring. Most five year olds worship Dad. Lets see how it is when the youngun is 14-15.

PacoLoco - Your question was "I guess if a guy barebacks with his novia, knocks her up, then decides to do the "right thing" by supporting them from afar he would probably be a stand up guy in your eyes..."

I told you what he would be in my eyes and why. Pretty straight forward. :D

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MG is dead on. Fatherhood is about a critical relationship with a Ch*ld.

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