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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:39 am 
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:58 am 
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If you want to play in the big games, you have to schedule competitive opponents. When it comes to rankings of college teams they should not rank them until after six games have been played. Rankings should not be a popularity contest.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:36 pm 
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The most wins for a QB EVER in college football. and the big 50-win mark. a crushing victory to end the season. no shot at the championship. what a farce. Boise State is the farce. How come they aren't in the Pac 10. Well because if they played a Pac 10 conferance schedule they would end up with at least two or more defeats every year probably more and then they couldn't whine about being slighted every year like the little whinny bitches they are. You get the respect when you have to play a good team every week! 8)

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:00 pm 
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When I watch Boise they look to me as a level 2 collage team size wise. This makes me wonder how they hold up over 4 qts facing 300lb + linemen pounding on them play after play. I know this is not something some of us like to hear, BUT “ size does matter :o –eventually in football “ This make me wonder how they match up if they did play several games a year against the top teams with the PRO sized players, which are now playing for all the top college teams en mass.

Alabama in the 60’s and 70’s under the Bear made a point of always playing Rinki Dink U for 8-9 games then one or two good teams, either way they ended up 10-0 9-1 8-2 and ended up in one of the 4 bowl games, yes there was just 4 and they all played on one day and the pros had been done for a 2 weeks so no conflict of interest playing on Jan 1.
Boise always seemed to me to be following the same game plan.


Now saying that I find Level 2 college ball far more interesting and exciting and fun to watch then the Level 1. Players are more normal sized, they are playing for fun-none or very limited scholarships ( that is one thing I have noticed about Boise they appear to be more playing for fun of the game), no prima donnas, coaches seem to have a grip in on the idea it is just a game , and not a battle between the forces of good and evil for the control of the universe for eternity.

And best of all they players can make some really dumb mistakes and then some great plays and that means the game not over till the final gun. Seen some great games in the playoffs that out do any Super Bowl or National Championship game for excitement, thrills, big plays and nail biting by both sides.

Examples of stupid plays, behind by a score, time running out and the punt returner calls for a fair catch on the 3 rd line, coach just hung his head, no yelling at the player. But they came back and did score and then the other team scored and they scored again, all over about 3-4 minutes to make for a game deciding last play…

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:09 pm 
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When I watch Boise they look to me as a level 2 collage team size wise. This makes me wonder how they hold up over 4 qts facing 300lb + linemen pounding on them play after play.

Totally agree about the schedule. If they played a more USC type schedule or pretty much any other major conference they'd probably be at least a 2 or 3 loss team.

But not a bad draft projection for "level 2 size wise" guys.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/987200-2012-nfl-draft-boise-state-broncos-that-can-make-it-in-the-nfl

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:53 pm 
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Agreed on the schedule I have to say. When you only play 1 maybe 2 teams a year on your talent level, you can't win the schedule argument over the SEC, Big 10/12, Pac12 or even the ACC for that matter. They go to the Big Least in 2013 so we will see.

Not trying to downplay what they have accomplished in Bowl games, but grinding it out week after week in a good conference than game planning for a couple of opponents a year.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 5:05 pm 
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Srilm said " and i do agree about the schedule. but whose fault is that?"

1)schedules can be many many years in advance so a hot team today could be a nobody by the time you play them, with out being in a conference with several good teams, a college could have a very hard time lining up opponents. Exemption was Notre Dame, they had a county wide following sos they could get the big opponents, but the you had to sch. them years out..
side bar my grandmother knew nothing about football despite living 30 miles form Green Bay, but her local priest told her she go to Hell if she did not listen to the ND game every sat. on the radio. SO she never missed game her whole life. With that kind of following you can get games, remember the money part

2) with the one or two open dates teams do have each year ( or next year) you then have money as one of the deciding factors on who get picked. Rinky Dink U comes in and plays Wis. and they go home with a huge pay day win or lose , some times more then there yearly foot ball budget. So they come in knowing they will get beat so no pressure on the K*ds, have a good time, play in a big house, gets lots of memory's, and if by chance you do win, you go home a " GOD" and forever a legend on campus. Get invited back every few years for homecoming and if you lose who cares. So Rinky Dink U's are waiting with baited breath to get blown out by one of the big boys..

3) then the standings, play hard team before you are ready and lose, now your out of the BCS , no matter who you beat after that... so the games you can chose you want to make sure you can win them and big. Your star player get numbers to get national press attention and then every one looks at you, maybe the difference on where you play in Dec, or Jan

So cards are kind of stacked against Boise unless then get into a decent conference. There are to good to get a real game, but do not play enough good games to get big games..

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:01 pm 
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I'm just glad they spanked ASU...I always love to see that..
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:57 am 
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Utah is a pretty good and recent example of stepping up in class for scheduling. They have been a consistent 9/10+ win team since Urban Meyer really got things rolling for them.

They go to the Pac-12 this year and finish 4-5 in conference.

I also agree with many of XMan's points. The only thing I would add about scheduling is Boise's recent success actually is hurting them getting top level opponents. The SEC schools almost never schedule tough non-conference games, save maybe a few. Florida had a ridiculous non-conference schedule every year! Hell if it wasn't mandated through FL statute, they probably would have dumped FSU by now :D (Sorry Gator-fan, truth hurts). The SEC argument is that their conference schedule is BRUTAL enough to stand on it's own. Their point is vaild :!: This relates to Boise because teams always try to schedule home and home series. I can't imagine there is a long line of teams desiring a trip to Boise to face a team as good as BSU.

Hopefully all of this becomes moot in the next several years as we gradually move toward a real playoff scenario with 8 teams, utilizing conference champs. This would allow and encourage more and tougher non-conference opponents, much like college hoops teams do.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:13 pm 
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Tstef527 sais "I can't imagine there is a long line of teams desiring a trip to Boise to face a team as good as BSU."

Anther point is, could Boise afford to pay the asking price for one of the top teams to travel there. Visitors get paid to come and play, it not easy to meet the asking price of one of the top SEC/Big 10 teams unless have a fan base that willing to pay on ave 75 bucks, or more a seat on ave. and have a large enough stadium 70,000 plus so you still have money left for your own program .

Boise does not exactly have the glamor traveling to say Mia or LAX areas.or maybe the Big House.
Now tell how many alumni and students are going to want to travel there in the late fall, blue carpet can only go so far. So that is anther unspoken aspect out making out sch.where the fans want to go to.

Wis was for a long time playing Hawaii just for that point. play at Wi and you get at least two vacations in Hawaii. good recruiting point for the players who are not the super stars but the back bone of a winning program.. Boise or Hawaii, where would rather travel to in say late Nov or Dec> ?

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:31 pm 
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Tstef527 wrote:
Agreed on the schedule I have to say. When you only play 1 maybe 2 teams a year on your talent level, you can't win the schedule argument over the SEC, Big 10/12, Pac12 or even the ACC for that matter. They go to the Big Least in 2013 so we will see.

Not trying to downplay what they have accomplished in Bowl games, but grinding it out week after week in a good conference than game planning for a couple of opponents a year.

My point exactly. Now why are they running to the Big East? The Pac 12 is a perfect fit.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:45 pm 
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If they had a larger fan base the SEC would have been a money maker for Boise. The only problem they would be a 6-5 team . Except they would get to recruit defensive players from the south and defense is what most young players want to play. I have a son being scouted by 7 SEC schools as a defensive lineman . Bama is his first choice if they offer he is going.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:42 pm 
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59Vette wrote:
If they had a larger fan base the SEC would have been a money maker for Boise. The only problem they would be a 6-5 team .


Hold on. What do you mean they would be a 6-5 in the SEC? Sounds like ESPN propaganda. BSU went on the road and beat the SEC-East champs this year. The only SEC teams BSU would be underdogs against would be the Big 2, and although they would be underdogs, they would be good games and an upset would be possible.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 11:23 pm 
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Again I state they would be a mid range team. Georgia started slow and really improved along the way. One tough game is not indicative of a tough season. Every week in the SEC you have to bring your "A game". You had better be three deep at all positions or you will not make it through the season as a winning team. Depth means everything in the SEC. Almost all SEC are very physical defensively. Even LSU and Alabama have injuries that could affect their game but they have the depth to continue to be competitive. I guess you did not watch the Alabama / Michigan state game last year. Alabama sent eleven MSU players to the bench with injuries. Can you Imagine a complete season getting beat up every week. When you have the likes of Meeting LSU, Alabama, Mississippi State, Auburn and Florida in consecutive weeks it is pure hell for the players. Not many Quarterbacks or running backs make it through the season without having to sit out a game or two. The last time Alabama won their National Championship they took out the opposing QB on the third play.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 11:35 pm 
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59Vette wrote:
If they had a larger fan base the SEC would have been a money maker for Boise. The only problem they would be a 6-5 team .

Respectfully disagree.

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Except they would get to recruit defensive players from the south and defense is what most young players want to play.

Where'd you come up with THAT ??? :roll:

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