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 Post subject: Phelps - A pothead!!
PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 3:03 pm 
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Did you guys read about this? Phelps was caught on camera sucking on cannabis pipe.

I don't think he will be competing in the London Olympics in 2012. What a waste.
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/150832/14-times-Olympic-gold-medal-winner-Michael-Phelps-caught-with-bong-cannabis-pipe.html


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I don't think he will be competing in the London Olympics in 2012. What a waste.

Why that judgment? What he does in his own time is his own business. Why is the US so down on the cannabis and so positive on the beer/wine/booze?

Watched the coverage on the show with Kathie Lee this morning for a few minutes. What a bunch of judgmental crones! In my opinion he should stop apologizing and just say "So what? Get over it."

It goes to show that hitting a little pipe in the spare time does not limit a person's pursuit of excellence. Why does no one make that point?

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He got himself a swell pal too....the one what turned that pic over to the press.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:15 pm 
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Pacifica55 wrote:
In my opinion he should stop apologizing and just say "So what? Get over it."



Hear! Hear!

Its about time the rich, famous, and infamous stepped up and refused to be intimated by the media.

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Phoenix Rising wrote:
Hear! Hear!

Its about time the rich, famous, and infamous stepped up and refused to be intimated by the media.

Even if they do, corporate America will still bow down to the pressure by do-gooder groups.

Unfortunately, his sponsors (his main source of income) are all probably running for the hills, and he will be de facto fired. And the cocksucker who gave the pic to the tabloids... when you have friends like that, you should just stay home and smoke by yourself.


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There are 3 issues here:

1) First, should his being seen (and documented with a photo) smoking what appears to be pot disqualify him from competing in the 2012 Olympics?

Pac, this is not a matter of Whtnot's judgment or yours or mine. It is a matter to be decided by the various Olympic committees. According to that article, the World Anti-Doping Agency was the organization responsible for introducing the four-year ban on sport’s drug users. Apparently, that includes any drug and not just performance enhancing ones. Pot is a drug and the 2012 Olympics is in less than 4 years so from a purely technical standpoint Phelps may be screwed regardless of how any of us feel about pot smoking. OTOH, WADA's refusal to comment suggests that they may not be inclined to push the issue. A little less surprisingly, the US Olympics Committee also refused to comment, even though they have also pledged to clamp down on drug use. Maybe, these various agencies will look the other way and excuse the photographic evidence as insufficient without corroborating drug tests, particularly given the fact that the drug involved really has nothing to do with the competitive fairness aspect of their current drug policy AND the extreme popularity of the athlete involved.

2) The 2nd issue is, regardless of the letter of the law, SHOULD pot be part of the ban. If just ANY drug is included than why not nicotine or alcohol? This is a recreational drug that has NO performance enhancing properties. In fact, because of the tars involved with smoking it actually decreases an athlete's respiratory efficiency. This guy had been in training for 4 years doing nothing but sleep, eat and train. Then he wins 14 gold medals. Who can really blame him for going out and doing a little, okay apparently a LOT, of celebrating, before he got back down into training for the next Olympics.

3) The third issue is, regardless of whether this means he actually can't compete (because of the law) or whether or not you think it means he should be able to compete (because pot smoking is either sooooo bad or so harmless), it still has very serious implications for Phelps and all those who look up to him. What will this do for all his endorsement deals? He stands to lose as much from the immediate fall-out as he does from whether he'll be able to compete in 4 years. Somewhat related to that purely financial aspect is the more abstract one on what this means to Phelps position as a role-model. A lot of young athletes and others look up to him. For many that image is now tarnished. For others, if nothing happens to him as a result of this, this might serve as a message that pot usage is okay or even something that should be done.

The sad part is that the scandal rag that paid for that photograph and published it may have wrote something like "Oh what a horrible thing that this role model would act in this manner" is just as guilty if not more so, for publicizing the private actions of such an important public role model (who is after all, just human) and all just for a lousy buck. And, as Orange suggested, whether you find potsmoking right, wrong or indifferent it is against the law and is not well regarded by significant parts of society, so at the very least Phelps should have realized that and, with so much to lose, was incredibly stupid to do what he did so publicly (the pics were probably taken by someone at the party that Phelps didn't even know)

Personally, I think pot usage should be legalized, not because I think it is something that should be encouraged but because:
a) I think it is no worse than (and in many ways not as bad as) other recreational activities like drinking alcohol and smoking cigarettes, which are legal.
b) prohibition doesn't work and is just a huge waste of resources. the money spent on law enforcement and incarceration could much better spent on drug education and on law enforcement and rehab for the many more serious drugs.


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The fact that one of the best athletes in the world likes to toke up occasionally just proves that marijuana , used moderately, is not damaging to one's health.
I would love to see all of the stoner athlethes proudly proclaim their love of the ancient green plant.
Since it is not a performance enhancer the only damage to PHelps career will be in endorsements and not swimming. Maybe he can be the high times person of the month. Or an honorary judge in the cannabis cup.
If he had any balls he would ask why people go to jail over a plant that is a part of human culture for thousands of years that produce ( gasp) euphoria and hunger. Instead we hear lame and insincere apologies.

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The media has made a mountain out of a molehill, but this will probably cost him big bucks in endorsements.

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You knew I couldn't leave this one alone, right?
First, what Brother Prolijo said: es verdad. Phelps' sponsors so far are sticking with him and I don't think his future endorsement opportunities are THAT impaired.
Second, research reported as long as 4 years ago shows some real medical uses of HeathenDevilWeed. It has shown important benefits in slowing the onset of Alzheimer's and further research may show other legitimate uses for this benign plant. That research won't be conducted in the US because the Establishment is shit-scared that all the illegalizing, all the fear they engendered was bogus. There are benefits to be derived already from the Substance but the Establishment refuses to recognize it because the evidence is anecdotal not evidential (empirical vs. huge masses of statistics) and doesn't support their fore-ordained theories.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4286435.stm

NOTE: This stuff is not alright for kids--it does interfere with-short-term memory. Adults with fully-formed consciousnesses are another story.

"Pops" got high every day he could and we wouldn't have jazz in anything like its present form without him.

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It does seem strange to me he could get drunk as hell but couldn't smoke pot. I see alcohol as a much more dangerous thing than pot. In fact, aside from the fact that pot is illegal I'd have more respect for the guy if he said he never drinks because he thinks it's a bad drug but smokes occasionally because he sees nothing wrong with it, notwithstanding the laws against it or the Olympic Committee's ban on illegal and performance enhancing drugs. I hope this doesn't ruin him, would be quite a shame.


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You ever hear of a guy getting all smoked up an beating up his girl?


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It doesn't appear as if the IOC or his sponsors really care about this.

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/swimming/ ... id=3878675


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