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Oops ! My bad. I must've missed a couple of 'em! I'm far from a Giants fan, but they're certainly a better team than they've showed the past couple of weeks. They definitely got some work to do....

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You ALWAYS have an option ....... "NEXT" !!!

I've been rooting for the G-men this year, so the Pats could kick their ass in the SB to avenge that debacle a couple of years ago.

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"In a nation ruled by swine, all pigs are upwardly mobile, and the rest of us are phucked until we can put our acts together; not necessarily to win, but mainly to keep from losing completely"...Hunter S. Thompson (RIP)

Interesting stat on Coughlin, since 2007 he is 22-7 for Sept. & Oct. and 16-18 for Nov. & Dec. Not sure what the dynamic is but one possiblility is that he's a bit burned out and runs out of steam and enthusiasm about half-way through the season.

It's very easy, when he falls apart the 2nd half of every season (the most important part) except for one. It's also very easy to fire him when he has arguably the most talented team in the league and they are an embarassment because of so many mistakes, lack of discipline and zero motivation in back to back games with play-off implications a few years in a row.

With all due respect this is kind of silly. Just because no one has won the ring with two teams doesn't mean no one ever will. There was a time when no one ever won two super-bowls- it was true right up until someone did. That's a superstition and has no place in a rational discussion. At some point one coach will win the super-bowl with two teams, it's inevitable. Go with the best guy that's available and wants the job, that's all.

I'd take Cowher over Fox anyday. Fox's career record is 73-71 in 9 seasons only 3 post season appearances and he lost each time before getting the ring. Cowher was 149-90 and in 15 years made the post season every year, won 8 division titles, advanced to 6 AFC championship games and made it to two super-bowls, winning one of them.

Silly again you sound like a guy that has not played a down of FB

You forgot to mention that Cowher was at least a 10 point favorite in 3 AFC champioship games at home and lost

If he did that once in NY he may quit

How do you answer this question for the new coach.

"What is my requirments for a successful season? You just fired a guy that won 10 out of 16 in the toughest league to win in the world. Do I have to win 11 or 12 to keep my job"? You will wind up with a lessor coach than what you have, like Cowher

NYG

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You're wrong on several accounts, the first being that I never played football, started varsity as a sophmore and played some in college.

There is no way on God's green earth that Cowher is a lessor coach than Coughlin. Their records alone make that painfully clear. With the team Coughlin has assembled and has had assembled, his Nov, Dec record along with all the mental errors, turn overs, and unmotivated play by offense, defense and special teams makes him in my opinion one of the worst coaches in the league. As for the Super Bowl in '07, that was then, this is now. The 2010, 2009 and 2008 Giants were an embarassment to every Giant fan and even anyone watching football casually in the 2nd half of the season. That's when you've got to turn it on, that's character time. Sadly, Big Blue under Coughlin has not only choked but passed out almost every year during this most crucial part of the season. They have and had more talent than almost anyone and only get in their own way and disappoint week in and week out with everything on the line. Every year that goes by makes '07 look like just a fluke. The players obviously either don't respond or have no respect for him. There are a lot of High School teams that don't make as many mental errors, penalties and turn overs as the Giants do.

Cowher losing playoff games when he was favored by 10 points etc. is another meaningless stat, those are numbers set by other people and have nothing to do with his coaching ability. At the end of the day, the only thing that matters for a coach or a team is the W and L column. The second most important thing to me personally is how the team carries themselves, I don't care if they lose as long as they play hard and try to win. The Jets did that last Sun and most weeks before it. I've never seen a Bill Cowher team not play with spirit and try to win. Seeing how these Giants play under Coughlin in the 2nd half of the season and in crucial games with playoff implications makes me and every Giant fan that I speak to sick to our stomachs. I don't care if he won 14 games in the season, if you allow a team with that much talent to play that poorly when it's crunch-time (several years in a row) then it's time for some new blood. He's had his chance and it's been the same old story for 3 years now since the Super-Bowl. He and Eli gave us an incredible season and I will always be grateful to both of them for that. That time has passed though and it's far better to have him leave or get rid of him, safegaurd that memory and start over with someone new, motivated and hungry. Everything changes and nothing lasts forever. To keep him on because of what he did in '07 or because he's winning a bunch of games in the 1st half of the year at the price of being a laughing-stock at the end of the season just isn't worth it.

Here is a Very interesting article from Giants 101.com http://www.giants101.com/2010/12/27/mee ... -coughlin/

Personally I think he has worn out his welcome and something whatever Intangible it is, is missing from this team. Call it what you will but his mindset is not being translated onto the field. I can give you at least 3 Critical and someone puzzling things that he did again yesterday starting with challenging a Clear fumble by Jacobs that nobody on FOX could understand why with 5 replays before he challenged it. It left him with NO CHALLENGES in a crucial situation down by 1 score with the CLEAR INTERCEPTION that wasn't when the guys foot landed out of bounds but could not be challenged because he was out of challenges. I will be the first to tell you the guy leads the league in challenges won many years in a row, but it does not explain while when things get dicey he seems to lose his cool and his mind by making bonehead decisions like yesterday. When the Pick that shouldn't have happened did it sealed the game and probably his fate.

Bottom line is he is a good coach that seems to self destruct when the chips are down. This Punting / Dodge SItuation still has me perplexed 16 games in and he continues to use this guy who is a phucking joke to punting. Did you see his first punt OMG your telling me of all the punters on the planet this is the best thats out there? If that is so I should go to an open tryout!

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Amazing how "fans" get so scope locked and forced into group think.

First, 99 times out of 100 the asst. coaches in the booth advise the head coach to throw challenge flags. Will Coughlin blame the assistants? Never.

Second, SIX TURNOVERS yesterday!! It is Coughlin's fault Eli forces throws into coverage? It is Coughlin's fault receivers break off routes and cause picks? Coughlin gave up 400+ yards passing with THAT D-LINE? Hold the players accountable!!!

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It' Coughlin's fault that the players aren't drilled sufficiently to catch the passes, run the routes and NOT throw into coverage. It's Coughlin's fault if the guy in the booth isn't competent enough to say when to throw the flag or not. It's Coughlin's fault the team isn't disciplined enough to play a game without stupid penalties and mental errors. It's Coughlin's fault that the motivation and enthusiasm level of the team is super low and that they didn't play with extreme anger and hostility to regain pride 1 week after one of the most embarassing losses in the history of the NFL. That is Coughlin's fault. There are many coaches in the NFL who have a fraction of the talent of the Giants and get consistent results week after week.

Look what happened to Dallas when they finally got rid of Wade Phillips. It's not the Giants players that are the problem, there isn't a greater pool of talent anywhere in the league. It's a leadership issue and it stems from the top down. The proof is that they can play 52 minutes of near perfect football against Philly and then fall apart the last 7 minutes. It's not the talent, it's motivation, inspiration, respect and a solid consistent game plan designed by competent people that they lack.

I jope John Mara keeps Coughlin there is not a better coach out there.

I will never in my life get that the giants players never have gotten any blame since that man has been the HC

I hope they can regroup and beat the Skins. I still believe a 10 win coach will never be fired by the Giants

That would be a black eye on that organization that they would never live down


Coughlin is too good a coach to have just one ring he will get another

Also the GMEN are 4-0 in NFC championship games in the SB era. If they ever lost one that they were at home as a 10 or 13 point favorite they are cats on this board that would tear the stadium down

I am done with this and Go Coughlin you can coach my team anyday

NYG

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Coughlin stinks as a coach, he falls apart in the 2nd part of the season and can't get the players to respond when it's crucial. 10 games means nothing when you fall apart year in and year out and are incapable of playing fundamental football.

The orginization is getting two black eyes the 2nd half of every season and it's getting harder and harder to live that down. The fans will be in open revolt if Coughlin is allowed to stay another year. I know that after the level of disgust I felt the last 2 weeks that I won't watch them this Sun. and most likely won't watch if they manage to "sneak" into the playoffs because they don't deserve to be there and I don't have any confidence that they can do anything but a disgraceful performance if it's a crucial game with Coughlin in charge- I've had my fill for the year and if he is there next year I will seriously consider going full time to the Jets.


Wasn't it you that said they shouldn't hire Cowher because he already won a SB and that no coach had won two???.

My last post on the subject a great article from NY Giants beat writer Steve Serby... The Pros & Cons of Tom Coughlin http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/y ... DvfUNAH3yL

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GM I read that and it is a wash to me IMHO. Just as much reason to keep as to fire

There is no coach in the SB era that has coached a team to a SB then went to another team and won a SB. If that is the case and there are some great coaches that have had the chance. B. Parcells, J. Johnson, M. Holgren and now M. Shanahan all have failed so far. I would not hire. Gruden, or Cowher.

Fox would be my choice if I could not get Fisher

NYG

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Are you selling your PSL seats if they keep coach?

NYG

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So let me get this straight. A coach comes up with such a GREAT game plan that is works for 52 minutes, versus the the MOST difficult player in the league to defend, mind you. One of the biggest things in coaching is to put your team, and players, in a position to succeed. Mission accomplished for the Giants. They have been outplayed, not out coached! And it is the coach's fault they players Phuck up the last 8 minutes? It is the coach's fault that players can't motivate themselves for 60 minutes? Give me a break, they are professionals getting paid!!!

And before you stump so hard for Cowher, or disciplinary coaches like him. Most changes work because they are actual changes. Going from discipline to a "player's coach" (hate that term by the way). It worked in Dallas for several reasons this year. Garrett installed some much needed discipline and accountablility that phillipps was lacking. It also helped that Garrett could dangle their jobs in front of them as motivation.

Amazing how good of a coach you are when the players actually execute and play how they are paid to play

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It is most definetely Coughlin's fault. Players are paid to play and coaches are paid to discipline, motivate and get them to play as a team towards a unified goal. In the Philly game after the first fabulous 52 minutes, the team got over-confident, thought victory was assured and mentally left the field. It is MOST CERTAINLY the coaches job to make sure that doesn't happen. If it does happen one of two things are at play. Either the coach is ignorant of the situation and does nothing, or he is aware of it, does something but the players don't respect or respond to his wishes, either way it adds up to- Coughlin lose.

That is the big one, he also made several direct decisions during that game and many other games in the 2nd part of the season that shouldn't be made by the head coach of a football team in the National Football League and have adversely affected many games. I also read a pretty good article that was saying how Coughlin has been pretty detached from the team for a long, long time and that during the '07 season Spagnola filled a lot of the void in terms of leadership and team motivation etc.

You are way oversimplifying it. Just because Coughlin used to be a discipline guy- doesn't mean he is now. He can be burned out and going through the motions in practive all week. I'm obviously not at their practices or in their locker-room, but it would certainly make sense judging by the mental errors, dropped passes, off sides and other penalties they get week in and week out. The Giants are one of the most undisciplined teams in the league. Just because Coughlin had a reputation as a discpline guy and won a super-bowl doesn't mean he is the same coach then as now. People get burned out, fail to adopt new strategies to a changing game and lose their passion. I think all 3 have happened to Coughlin. I think Cowher, Gruden or any number of qualified coaches would take over the spot with a fire in their belly and have something to prove. Cowher by far has the best record of any potential coaches and I see the Steeler team dynamics and mentalities as pretty similar to those of the Giants and think it would be a pretty easy transition.