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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:28 am 
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ok so no love for those guys i guess.

steve winwood
gregg allman
amy winehouse

not sure what the parameter is but if daryl hall is in there...

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The finest, white soul singer on the planet; Ray Charles' lone disciple....the one...the only.....JOE COCKER....

The One Disciple of Ray Charles

I Put A Spell On You

....and....all kidding and joking aside......TOM JONES

Tom Jones and Joe Cocker together

He's still at it.....

KISS...

And how can we forget this Al Green classic??!!!..... ...... but here's the real deal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tdw7kxD8eUc

Now.....this is what that man was really wanting to say: speaking the truth Steven1 sytle :P

...and this one is JUST FOR FUN!!!!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J-ZBVwn ... re=related

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 4:26 pm 
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LaDiablo wrote:



BINGO 8)

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Did I or anybody else mention Phoebe Snow? Granted, her first was her best but still...Check her and a bunch of others out in the Donald Fagen-produced '91 NY Rock 'n' Soul Revue--Live at the Beacon. Included is another so-far non-mention the Rascals, whom I saw in college in '64 in schoolboy costumes (think AC/DC) as the Young Rascals.

Phoebe in a duet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDk_lroqZkY
From the Revue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsJhMgeU ... re=related

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Speaking of the Rascals or more correctly Felix Caviliere (the main voice, and heart and soul of them), I just got notice today that he and Steve Cropper (guitarist of Booker T and the MGs) had teamed up for a second effort--their first, '08s Take It up a Notch, was a killer album. The new effort Midnight Flyer is due out June 15. Highly anticipate hearing it.

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...And there's that odd-ball choice Leon Russell. God, no not his voice (has there ever been a more nasal, adenoidal voice?) but his intonation and phrasing, and song-writing, and gospel-ish pianism--OH YES! Merry Clayton must have thought so--she was married to him.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:34 am 
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El Tranquilo wrote:

Not to be included on the list: Janis Joplin, who might belong on the list of best blue-eyed soul thieves (almost all her stuff was a complete lifting of other singers' performances).


Are you out of your phucking mind? I don't care if Erma Franklin (Aretha's older sister) originally sang it. Check these out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCsMGQ2Pgzg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2x1yo8Ztdw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVfoT1r8Ay4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH5SCpbk-gk

Oh yeah, Port Arthur, Texas. Big Brother and the Holding Company. Cheap Thrills. The Kozmic Blues Band. 1968. Woodstock. Jack Daniels. She died too young (27). What about Hendrix covering 'All Along the Watchtower' by Dylan, or the Animals covering 'House of the Rising Sun'?
Thief? Get your head out of your ass. You can take Madonna, Fergie, Lady Gaga, Britney, Pink, Miley, Shakira, Faith Hill, and about a hundred or so female singers over the past 40 years, and combined, they would equal about one tenth the soul that Janis had. I must admit that several years ago, Joss Stone and Melissa Etheridge did an awesome tribute to Janis...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef-f-l2Pbn8

Please, don't disrespect Janis, who truly was 'one of a kind'...a legend!

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:56 pm 
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Yeah, I had a bit of a problem with Sistah Janis being excluded but wanted to stay high-minded so didn't comment. I'd meant this as an inclusiveness Thread, not who didn't belong. Excellent job of defense with examples, Brother GringoTim.
ADD: He's not thought of as a singer so much as a multi-instrumentalist but Edgar Winter can do some serious vocal testifyin'. Check out his vid with Leon Russell for proof.

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Janis Joplin was a great singer and one of the icons of a unique time and place in American music. I like her a lot, but I still think that she was pretty much a soul thief.

Of course, the cross-fertilization between white and black musical traditions has created a hybrid, mongrel American music that is richer and more vibrant than either strain standing alone. So maybe the concepts of "blue-eyed soul" and "soul thief" are both a little suspect.

Add to the mix Mexican, Latin, Jewish, Asian, Irish, Eastern European ingredients and we've got a mighty fine gumbo.

Here are some of the original versions of some of Janis Joplin's repertoire:

Erma Franklin "Take A Little Piece Of My Heart" 1967
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAErTuWXG6U
Lorraine Ellison "Stay With Me, Baby" 1966
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBJ1rv39Pws&feature=PlayList&p=95538A370CF459FA&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=47
Howard Tate "Get It While You Can" 1967
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9PawalWXUk
Garnet Mimms & The Enchanters "Cry Baby" 1963
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47OXAqbv4cU
Eddie Head and Family "Down On Me" 1930
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcXTo2lYCWA
Big Mama Thornton "Ball And Chain" 1966
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-rNX1DKuMI
Big Mama Thornton "Summertime" (of course, written in 1935 by a Russian Jew as part of an Opera with a libretto written by a White South Carolinian about a romantacized version of the lives of Black Folk in the South).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwlTOspKNh8&feature=related
Bobby Womack "Trust me" (don't have a date for this, but Womack was the composer)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru66IdUVkVo
Etta Jame "Tell Mama" 1968
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8pcNIGjJX0

Janis Joplin deserves a lot of credit for exposing a lot of people to music they would never have heard without her doing a little bit of "stealing". RIP Janis 8)

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wow. originally i completely agreed with GT but i had no idea how many of janis' greatest recordings were covers. not that it makes much difference, because that voice was insane and just a god given wonder.
but thanks El T for turning me on to the originals. now i have some old new music to download. awesome :!:

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:56 pm 
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El Tranquilo...thank you for posting those links. Excellent!

When you come down to it, isn't 99.99% of music copied, borrowed or interpreted? Inspiration has to come from somewhere. Even the Beatles, probably the greatest, most influential musical act of the 20th century, 'borrowed' from other people. As an aside, I recall the plagiarism lawsuit filed against George Harrison for 'My Sweet Lord'. Some folks thought it was a 'ripoff' of the Chiffons 1962 hit 'He's So Fine'.

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Gringotim wrote:
El Tranquilo...thank you for posting those links. Excellent!

When you come down to it, isn't 99.99% of music copied, borrowed or interpreted? Inspiration has to come from somewhere. Even the Beatles, probably the greatest, most influential musical act of the 20th century, 'borrowed' from other people. As an aside, I recall the plagiarism lawsuit filed against George Harrison for 'My Sweet Lord'. Some folks thought it was a 'ripoff' of the Chiffons 1962 hit 'He's So Fine'.

100% agree with this--most folks can't handle truly original music anyway, so to get gigs and recording nevermind any level of popular acceptance, "borrowing" is the strong rule. Look at the shitstorm created by the "free-jazz" movement or modal jazz or even be-bop itself.
About the Beatles--their 1st US release on VeeJay was a straight-up cover album and doubt the Germans in Hamburg before that wanted anything but covers. Their influences ("borrowings") ranged the world and all genres (wouldn't you have loved to hear what they would have done with disco, or am I just perverse?). And not only did Gerorge Harrison get busted for plagiarizing (according to the courts), he had to pay hefty damages.

2 women not thought of as soul singers have nice stuff in the genre. Listen to Bernadette Peters cover Carla Thomas' classic "Gee Whiz" on a '92 album Bernadette--i get chills just listening to this 2:36 slice of heaven in my mind. And Pat Benatar in a desperate, failed effort to regain stardom, put out a mighty fine disc in '91 called True Love. From earlier, check this bravura performance on a Motown piece. I want all these guys in my band, you betcha. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hZI_e2lPdk
NOTE: Love y'all madly for contributing to this Thread...yes, I stole that phrase from Duke Ellington.
FINALLY: Not exactly "Blue-Eyed" soul but check out a Filipino-American group called Legaci:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/arts/ ... egaci.html
Not just Justin Bieber's back-up singers, as this clip demonstrates--nice harmony work, guys!
http://www.youtube.com/user/legaci#p/u/2/yVt3D_mqyys

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 5:00 pm 
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Being as I sorta hijacked my own Thread already, I figure another wouldn't hurt.
Now that a Blue-Eyed soul singer comes out of Romania is amazing enough; that he's really good is over-the-top. Check out Daniel Lazar here:
Unchain My Heart http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia6Gn-1qyMw
Just the Two of Us http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Yp8GWGURxc <<nice jazz B/G playing
Isn't She Lovely? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vgk30nL ... re=related ditto
Get Down on It/ Ladies Night http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlXUIgpl ... re=related
Kiss http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8vACTNI ... re=related <<This one is a serious hoot--live on a TV show
I Feel Good http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L35jRBWk ... re=related short clip

OTOH, you have a seasoned soul songstress in Bettye LaVette doing an album of reimaginings (hard to call them mere covers) of '60's-'70's British rock. It's called Interpretations: The British Rock Songbook and it's a stone killer album.

ADD: This is the very perf that reduced Pete Townshend to tears: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJi6maTueSc

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Janis Joplin was a great singer and one of the icons of a unique time and place in American music. I like her a lot, but I still think that she was pretty much a soul thief.


She put on one of the best concerts that I have ever seen. I was fortunate enough to see her at the Shrine Auditorium in 1964. She left very little on the table both mentally, and physically in her concert. In between songs she would go back and chug some Southern Comfort. It was festival style so one could get right next to the stage. Since I choose to listen to soul music growing up, for me it was a night of awe.

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JazzboCR wrote:
OTOH, you have a seasoned soul songstress in Bettye LaVette doing an album of reimaginings (hard to call them covers) of '60's-'70's British rock. It's called Interpretations: The British Rock Songbook and it's a stone killer album

These really are incredible re-interpretations of songs that you thought you already knew. Can't decide whether her version of The Who's Love Reign Over Me or Procol Harum's Knights in White Satin was the more revelatory. Or maybe George Harrison's Isn't It A Pity.

It looks like Bonnie Riatt hasn't made the list.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM7pn7aEI9Q

or John Hiatt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UrueP3aM40

or Pearl's fellow traveler, Pigpen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V752p6IMWjw&feature=related

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