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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 5:52 pm 
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AS FAR AS COACH GOES INJURIES PLAY A HUGE PART IN SUCCESS IN THE NFL. WE WERE AS BANGED UP AS ANY TEAM IN FOOTBALL LAST YEAR. THE YEAR AFTER THE SB WIN WE WERE 11-1 THE PLEX SHOOTS HIMESELF. PLAYERS IN POLICE PRECIENTS I HAVE TO GIVE HIM A PASS. COUGHLIN'S HAS A HEALTHY TEAM THIS YEAR AND PLAYING WELL. LETS SEE HOW FAR THEY GO
Playing well????????. Did you catch the last 7 minutes of last weeks game? At the end of the day all that matters is the W or the L. In the history of the NFL a "good coach" with a healthy team has never lost a divisional championship game with play-off implications like that.As far as Plaxico, I'm not even talking about the '08 season- what happened to them last year with an 8-2 record?, that doesn't happen with a good coach.


We were never 8-2 last year :roll:

Again someone on this board that is clueless :roll:

2009 WE WERE 5-0 THEN ALL HELL BROKE LOOSE WITH INJURIES THAT ARE PART OF THE GAME.

AND THEY ARE PLAYING WELL AND WILL PROVE THAT THIS YEAR :wink:

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 11:07 am 
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We were never 8-2 last year

Again someone on this board that is clueless

2009 WE WERE 5-0 THEN ALL HELL BROKE LOOSE WITH INJURIES THAT ARE PART OF THE GAME.

AND THEY ARE PLAYING WELL AND WILL PROVE THAT THIS YEAR
My bad on the schedule, you are right with the stats. But you are wrong on your assesment of team. Going 5-0 in the beginning and then losing 8 out of 11 is a farce regardless of injuries. As you stated they are part of the game and many of those 8 losing games were against teams that had more injuries than we did.

It's their inconsistency that is the problem. How do you explain beating Dallas last year when they were a great team and then losing to several marginal teams by wide margins?. It's coaching, Coughlin is burned out and is delegating a lot of stuff to his support coaches. The players aren't motivated for every game and as last week proved they certainly weren't motivated for the whole game. It's the fact that they can be GREAT but instead are mediocre because for the last couple of years they have blown opportunities and critical games, when that happens consistently there is no one else to blame except the coach.

I'm a fan, I hope you're right, I hope they play great today, win and get a spot in the playoffs and then do well there. The problem there though is that except for what's looking like a freak year in 2007, they just don't seem to have the mentality to keep from self-destructing and doing themselves in. I haven't seen anyone beat the Giants in a long time- what I have seen all to often though is the Giants beating themselves


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Jsmythe23 wrote:
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We were never 8-2 last year

Again someone on this board that is clueless

2009 WE WERE 5-0 THEN ALL HELL BROKE LOOSE WITH INJURIES THAT ARE PART OF THE GAME.

AND THEY ARE PLAYING WELL AND WILL PROVE THAT THIS YEAR
My bad on the schedule, you are right with the stats. But you are wrong on your assesment of team. Going 5-0 in the beginning and then losing 8 out of 11 is a farce regardless of injuries. As you stated they are part of the game and many of those 8 losing games were against teams that had more injuries than we did.

It's their inconsistency that is the problem. How do you explain beating Dallas last year when they were a great team and then losing to several marginal teams by wide margins?. It's coaching, Coughlin is burned out and is delegating a lot of stuff to his support coaches. The players aren't motivated for every game and as last week proved they certainly weren't motivated for the whole game. It's the fact that they can be GREAT but instead are mediocre because for the last couple of years they have blown opportunities and critical games, when that happens consistently there is no one else to blame except the coach.

I'm a fan, I hope you're right, I hope they play great today, win and get a spot in the playoffs and then do well there. The problem there though is that except for what's looking like a freak year in 2007, they just don't seem to have the mentality to keep from self-destructing and doing themselves in. I haven't seen anyone beat the Giants in a long time- what I have seen all to often though is the Giants beating themselves



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JUST BELIEVE AND ENJOY THE GAME
. Definitely some good advice. I did get a kick out of this though- some criticism from an unexpected source:

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JUST BELIEVE AND ENJOY THE GAME
. Definitely some good advice. I did get a kick out of this though- some criticism from an unexpected source:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI-7ETwD ... youtu.be&a


I have seen this clip used before but never so devastatingly accurately. Makes your major points pretty well. You Brother Jsmythe23 are to be congratulated for bringing this to us.

WARNING: Do not watch this clip with liquids or liquidy food in your mouth--you will destroy that screen with your effusions.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 8:48 am 
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Jazz this video was used on something else last year its old as the movie :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xiHHkmw ... re=related

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 11:12 am 
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First off do I think Coughlin is a bad coach? NO! No Coach who wins the Super Bowl can ever be considered a bad coach. Do I think he is one of those upper echelon coaches ala Belechick? Also the answer is NO! He is a Better than average coach that has considerable talent around him. With that said He is also one of the worst I GAME situation coaches I’ve ever seen.

As you know I am one of the biggest Giants Fans around. I fly from Miami to NJ on every home Sunday to watch their home games. I know this team better than any beat writer covering them from the tabloids. See things that the average fan will never see and I’m going to name a few examples of things I’ve seen this year that boggle the mind. No Upper echelon coach allows these things to happen yet, and I’m not simply referring to blowing a 21 point lead at home in the last 8 minutes of a game. But as previously stated it’s only happened twice in 15 years and he is the coach of both those teams. You tell me does an upper echelon top shelf coach allow it to happen twice?

To point out some things that may seem minor and or trivial to some, that never show up in the box score, yet do happen with this team needs to be clear.
First off everyone says he gets teams prepared etc. Well If that is the case How can you come up Completely Flat and be trailing in or have horrible first halves so often that your team can’t recover.
Game 1 Carolina (HORRILBE 1st half and barely escapes Victory over a 2-13 Team)
Game 2 Colts BLOWN OUT never in it due to Colts going up and down the field in the 1st half like a scout team
Game 3 Tenn Home Loss 1st half Sleep walking
Game 4 Bears Win but 1st half we were sleep walking again think without going back to the schedule by slim margin
Game 6 Lions Sleep walked through 1st half needed late heroics to seal victory
Game 9 Dallas Unprepared for Divisional rival blown out at home
Game 10 Eagles again 1st half embarrassing 17-3 always behind chasing
Game 11 Jacksonville down two TD’s late in 3rd again behind in 1st half horrible
I won’t even touch the eagle game.
The above represents a clear indication the team is NOT READY to take the field week in and week out. Not from a level of intensity necessary to beat teams that you should handle with ease.

Let’s look at some in game situations that could have Got Old Tom C Fired. Don’t Believe me Go back the video tape watch these situations tell me I’m wrong. Some are coaching breakdowns of other areas but they are directly related to how they are directed.

Jacksonville Game 1:45 to go we recover onside kick. Leading by 7. 3 Kneel Downs Means Victory for the Giants. On first down he hands to Ahmad Bradshaw for no gain. He then kneels down the following two plays game over. Now you tell me why hand the ball off to a guy with fumbling problems ala Joe Pisarciak to Larry Czonka miracle in the meadowlands when a simple 3 kneel downs wins the game. If Bradshaw fumbles there he gets fired the next day. NO REASON WHATSOVER to hand off there. Since no turnover occurred, and Giants won it’s forgotten but not by me.

Tenn. / Giants. Start of 4th quarter giants trailing in Game 1st and 10 from their own 6 inch line coming out of timeout. Now mind you Offensive Coordinator is actually speaking to ELI in his headset when he comes to the line. They don’t like the personal and he looks to the sideline as the wrong people are sent in and this is coming out of a timeout. What does Old Tom C do Calls timeout? WHOA! Wait a minute wouldn’t a delay of game penalty cost the giants a mere 6 inches what 1st and 99 and 6 inches is a big deal. You just used a timeout in a game you’re losing in the 4th quarter to save 6 inches. Later in the game they needed that timeout of course they didn’t have it game ends in LOSS.

Eagle Game not once did he call timeout on defense to settle the team down when complete bedlam was going on.

He and his entire staff were not ready for an OBVIOUS onsides kick from the Eagles, his statement “we didn’t want to sacrifice field position”. Field position for what? You have a phucking two TD lead at home with 6:50 to play in the 4th quarter.

To NYG’s point a Spy isn’t there to Run with Vick... its definition is as follows to” inspect or examine or to search or look for closely or carefully” or a person who keeps close and secret watch on the actions and words of another or others” Its to make sure he does not go running off like a wild man without anyone paying attention to him. Watch the last few minutes it’s a joke looks like a Chinese fire drill. If you spy him make sure he stays in the pocket or in his lanes the, lineman have a much better opportunity to make a tackle not to mention you force him to beat you with his arms not his legs.

You have through 14 games the bottom 2 Punt Teams in the league and bottom 3 Net Punters in the league as well. Talk about sacrificing field position. OK he told him to kick in out of bounds and he didn’t. The point is WHY IS HE EVEN STILL ON THE TEAM. He may be great someday but he obviously isn’t ready yet. 14 weeks into the year and you have a guy that should not have made it out of pre-season. If nobody else sees this problem than your all blind.


Believe me I can take apart a dozen more situations where he is clueless. Sure he hasn’t lost the team, they like him etc. But that doesn’t change the fact that week and week out a Head Coach needs to make key decisions “GAME TIME” CLOCK MGT” Decisions that are vital to the game & he fails miserably. Is he an X/O’s guy yes for sure. Does he install discipline? Don’t know since we lead the league in Turnovers, but one thing is for certain, as stated previously no Upper Echelon coach makes the type of glaring in game decisions this guy makes. It boggles my mind.

GMEN FANS who want him you can have him. By the way it is my prediction we get blown out on Sunday. If I am wrong I’ll come on here and tell all of you I was wrong, but in my mind we have no chance this week and Old Tom C will have the exit door hit him in the ass on the way out.

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Great post Gamlingman.


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I would think that performance today Is a strong argument that this team top to bottom needs an overhaul starting at the Top... If you have an argument after this complete embarrassment than you know nothing about football.

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I would think that performance today Is a strong argument that this team top to bottom needs an overhaul starting at the Top... If you have an argument after this complete embarrassment than you know nothing about football.

It seems like it's the same old story for the G-Men.......... TURNOVERS !!!!
They had 4 turnovers in today's game, and a total of 39 turnovers so far this season. When you average 2.5 turnovers per game, it's eventually going to catch up to you and bite you in the ass. The fat lady's about to start singing.....

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:46 am 
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I would think that performance today Is a strong argument that this team top to bottom needs an overhaul starting at the Top... If you have an argument after this complete embarrassment than you know nothing about football.


Cannot explain how a team can play like that with that much on the line. That is coaching :!:

Coach cannot run and catch the ball for the team but the GMEN have a few talkers on their team now again, (Rolle who promised a win and was a non factor in the game)

I hope coach keeps his job (they could stiil win 10 games, hard to hire a coach after you just fired one with 10 wins) but at the end in Jacksonville the team did tune him out :!:

If they make a move John Fox would be my choice if he is available. He was the DC when we lost to the Ravens in the sb

The GMEN have too many pieces to go with a coach that has no big game street cred. (forget Cowher no coach has won a ring with one team and then won again with another)

They are not eliminated with that loss but they are not a playoff team (to many TO's and playoff teams protect the football like the life depends on it)!

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Mucho Gusto wrote:
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I would think that performance today Is a strong argument that this team top to bottom needs an overhaul starting at the Top... If you have an argument after this complete embarrassment than you know nothing about football.

It seems like it's the same old story for the G-Men.......... TURNOVERS !!!!
They had 4 turnovers in today's game, and a total of 39 turnovers so far this season. When you average 2.5 turnovers per game, it's eventually going to catch up to you and bite you in the ass. The fat lady's about to start singing.....


6 TO TODAY :shock:

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I like it when I see people who love their team....since I have been betting on the nfl for years .....teams that win for me become MY teams ....so its refreshing to see members who love their teams with passion. Growing up in Cincinnati ...they were my team ...1st year I moved to Tampa they go to the superbowl ....now the buc's are my team ....I like the giants and hope they do well ....not for me but for NYG and Gman as they love this team. Nice break down on the coach gman ....watching a coach mess up basic plays on time outs and not under standing game situations is a sure fire why of getting fired......


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Eli is channeling his inner Favre and Bradshaw treats the football like it's a hot potato! :lol: :lol:


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