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Joe gets up at 6:00am to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot full of good
clean drinking water because some liberal fought for minimum water quality standards.

He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His medications are safe
to take because some liberal fought to insure their safety and work as advertised.
All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employers medical plan because
some liberal union workers fought the ir employers for paid medical insurance, now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs this day. Joe’s bacon is safe to eat because some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

Joe takes his morning shower reaching for his shampoo; His bottle is properly labeled
with every ingredient and the amount of its contents because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained. Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air.

He walks to the subway station for his government subsidized ride to work; it saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees. You see, some liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day; he has a good job with excellent pay, medicals benefits,
retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe’s employer pays these standards because Joe’s employer doesn’t want his employees to call the union.

If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed he’ll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some liberal didn’t think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

It's noon time, Joe needs to make a Bank Deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe’s deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some liberal wanted to protect Joe’s
money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the
depression.

Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten Mortgage and his below-market federal
student loan because some stupid liberal decided that Joe and the government
would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his life-time.

Joe is home from work, he plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive to dad's; his car is among the safest in the world because some liberal fought for car safety standards.

He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers Home Administration because bankers didn’t want to make rural loans. The house didn’t have electric until some big government liberal stuck his nose where it didn’t belong and demanded rural electrification. (Those rural Republicans would still be sitting in the dark.)

He is happy to see his dad who is now retired. His dad lives on Social Security and his
union pension because some liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe
wouldn’t have to.

After his visit with dad he gets back in his car for the ride home. He turns on a radio talk show, the host’s keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. (He doesn’t tell Joe that his beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day.)

Joe agrees, “We don’t need those big government liberals ruining our lives; after all, I’m a self made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have.”

if only they would teach the little ones in school how many men and women died and were maimed at work before the liberal union helped put some basic safety measures in.. not to mention all the thugs that beat up union members just trying to safely get a human wage and safety at work...

a union worker that screws in a light bulb getting $45 dollars an hour.

and all the unions that weakened our work force to dribbling fools so the japs made cars that CRUSHED ours. Compare the 1980 Chevette to the 1980, well any 1980 jap car.

Now "allentown" and "steal-town" are neighborhoods full of local bars full of local relics talking about what should have and could have been.

just like this thread.

never said they did not hurt the economy but if you look at how people were forced to work in the 20th century and early 21st century, they would be more respect for them.. unfortunately like all great causes, they lost their way.

The Japanese cars didn't crush us because of a weakened workforce, they crushed us because our management/owners etc. focused on quaterly profit and the Japanese focused on quality and customer loyalty. Ironically it was an American who taught them this- http://www.stern.nyu.edu/om/courses/sum ... eming2.pdf

The union electrician does alot more than put in lightbulbs for $45 an hr., and that payscale is what allowed the out middle and upper middle class to swell and to give us the best economy in the world. Those high income jobs are gone and the effects are pretty obvious.

You want to argue about which came first the chicken or the egg.

You think an assembly line worker should make a hundred bucks an hour or they are gonna have a strike and shut down the plant.

Good thinking. I guess.

I love seeing all those jack-assses out of work when they finally close the plant.

You want to argue about which came first the chicken or the egg.

You think an assembly line worker should make a hundred bucks an hour or they are gonna have a strike and shut down the plant.

Good thinking. I guess.

I love seeing all those jack-assses out of work when they finally close the plant.

Brings to mind this story:

A Japanese company ( Toyota ) and an American company (Ford) decided to have a canoe race on the Missouri River . Both teams practiced long and hard to reach their peak performance before the race.

On the big day, the Japanese won by a mile.

The Americans, very discouraged and depressed, decided to investigate the reason for the crushing defeat. A management team made up of senior management was formed to investigate and recommend appropriate action.

Their conclusion was the Japanese had 8 people rowing and 1 person steering, while the American team had 8 people steering and 1 person rowing.

Feeling a deeper study was in order, American management hired a consulting company and paid them a large amount of money for a second opinion.

They advised, of course, that too many people were steering the boat, while not enough people were rowing.

Not sure of how to utilize that information, but wanting to prevent another loss to the Japanese, the rowing team's management structure was totally reorganized to 4 steering supervisors, 3 area steering superintendents, and 1 assistant superintendent steering manager.

They also implemented a new performance system that would give the 1 person rowing the boat greater incentive to work harder. It was called the 'Rowing Team Quality First Program,' with meetings, dinners, and free pens for the rower. There was discussion of getting new paddles, canoes, and other equipment, extra vacation days for practices and bonuses.

The next year the Japanese won by two miles.

Humiliated, the American management laid off the rower for poor performance, halted development of a new canoe, sold the paddles, and canceled all capital investments for new equipment. The money saved was distributed to the Senior Executives as bonuses and the next year's racing team was out-sourced to India .

Sadly, The End.

Here's something else to think about:
Ford has spent the last thirty years moving all its factories out of the US , claiming they can't make money paying American wages.

TOYOTA has spent the last thirty years building more than a dozen plants inside the US . The last quarter's results:

TOYOTA makes 4 billion in profits while Ford racked up 9 billion in losses.

Ford folks are still scratching their heads.

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did not mean to start a big debate, but the early labor guys that were beaten to death by unionbreakers and cops on payroll of big business deserve our respect. IF I WANTED TO SOLVE the problems of the entire 21st and 20th century, i would of started a blog..

Normal, you enter a discussion and when others voice their respective view , you tell them to start a blog.

no i said that i did not mean to start a big debate, if i wanted to cause grief or to hurt any ones feeling i would of started a blog.. so, once again sorry if i offended anyone.. of course you would of already know that if you had not put your own spin on what i said.

One of the reasons that the CRT board works so well, is that we mostly have the sense to avoid hot button political discussions on a mongering hobbyist venue. Lets close this one down

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