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 Post subject: Newbie negotiation
PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:41 pm 
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Hi all,

My upcoming trip to Costa Rica in May will be my first foray into the mongering experience and I want to thank you all for the treasure of information you have provided on this forum. You have reduced a ton of questions into a manageable few. I’ve seen a lot of information about steps for negotiating P4P chica hookups, but was wondering if someone can provide me more information and techniques specific to my situation.

That is, as someone without any proficiency in Spanish, how do I translate my specific desired ‘menu’ of services? For example, I am interested in a session that includes vaginal phucking, with condom, from multiple positions, fellatio (covered or uncovered), mutual masturbation, french kissing, and light massage. I would like an hour long session, even if I pop early.

So…
- What words do I use to express what I want (e.g. phucking or intercourse, fellatio or blowjob)?

- English terminology or Spanish… and what are these Spanish terms?

- Is it necessary to be specific on everything, or are some things assumed, e.g. stroking, fondling, nipple sucking?

- Is it typical to negotiate a full hour rate, with one pop, with agreement for a specific tip amount should she induce a second? BTW... how do you translate 'pop' in chica speak?

- How are price and time negotiations conducted, e.g. who offers initial price, how to politely counter…? Any helpful techniques?

- What price range is ‘fair’ for what I am looking for?

Thanks in advance for all your help.

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 Post subject: Re: Newbie negotiation
PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:53 pm 
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I can appreciate your excitement but...

Its not really all that involved... I would suggest starting at a few massage parlors where the prices are fixed and the premise is assumed. Outside of that, dealing with the independent girls is really no different then picking up a girl in your hometown. A lot of the chicas know some english, so you will be able to stumble through the business side of things..

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 1:27 pm 
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Let it be a negotiation without seeming like a negotiation. Try tactics that you would use in many different buying/selling/negotiating situations. Establish control subtly without it appear like you are "trying" to establish control. One mistake, in my opinion, that I see a lot of guys doing is appearing too eager. Don't walk across the room to a chica. Establish eye contact and summon her to you. When you are talking to her and it gets around to moving away from the bar, let her do the talking and mention a price. If she goes too high, definitely don't react. Tell her that she is lovely and you will definitely keep her in mind. She will stay to see what you are going to offer, but don't counter. Continue to be nice and charming, but let your attention wander, like she has been bumped down in importance. They spot how eager some guys are and I think those guys get marked. One thing I will stress over and over is never react. If you just stay pleasant with her and not try to knock her price down, she will more than likely come down on it herself.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 3:07 pm 
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Yeah man, it reads like you are trying to negotiate buying a car. I agree with Cujo about the MP's. It will help you get your feet wet and it will take away that look on your face that the girls know all too well. Once out and about trying to meet girls for p4p, you should definitely not start out with negotiations. I always say, act like you have been there before and the women will react differently than they will to a guy who is obviously an FNG.

Good Luck.........Oh and I am always here so you might see me around.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 3:08 pm 
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Thirdworld wrote:
They spot how eager some guys are and I think those guys get marked.



No thinking about it brother..... That's happening everyday.. :lol:



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 3:18 pm 
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Am appreciating all the advice guys... thanks a lot.
Do you find that first time newbies can benefit from having a wingman?
If so, any ideas on how to find one?

Thanks.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 3:40 pm 
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Oc002831 wrote:
Am appreciating all the advice guys... thanks a lot.
Do you find that first time newbies can benefit from having a wingman?
If so, any ideas on how to find one?

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If you wanna have a wingman it will be easy to find someone to make the rounds with you. You can either head to HLH or SL and hang out at the bar. You will meet like minded fellas such as yourself. But you don't need them. Just relax and don't act like a 11 year old K*D with his first hard on and you will be fine.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:33 pm 
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Make it about you
The chicas have seen it all, well most of them :shock:
It is your money, and you are not looking for a girlfriend, so to speek
Sit with you new found love for abit, if you like to drink, buy her one, if you like to eat, buy some cheap food.
Many here say set everything in stone... I hate that
Over the drink you will see if you connect, or not.... if you do?... slip in the things you like in the room over dinner... if it goes well tell her she will be taken care of... do not low ball if it goes good
almost never had a chica bitch about the pay when she is having fun,if she does NEXT

You will have more fun that way
I have just BS with some Chicas... that I had no intrest in... and had a great time with them

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:59 pm 
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Oc002831 wrote:
Am appreciating all the advice guys... thanks a lot.
Do you find that first time newbies can benefit from having a wingman?
If so, any ideas on how to find one?

Thanks.


What many can benefit from is a tour - CRT members Bilko and Pops offer them - simply PM them - a tour can really ramp up your learning curve, as well as doing a ton of board reading, starting with Oranges excellent tips - found in the newbi's section - it will answer many of your questions :)

Click on this and start reading: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=16357


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:30 pm 
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act like you've been there before is always excellent advice
try not to get big eyes and freak out on hot girls staring you down
focus on the bar and sit next to some guys
introduce yourself and say it is your first time there
the rest should take care of itself

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:22 pm 
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While being polite with the chicas, don't be a puppy! Watched some body language this weekend and overheard a few conversations while watching hoops at the SL. Way too many chicas in control in the dance before the room. Guys falling over them asking them what they want to do, where they want to go, etc. I would say the chicas were in the lead in 75% of cases I saw. The trick is to lead them by their cute little noses without them knowing they are being led. :D


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:42 pm 
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Srilm wrote:
just like buying a car -- never let the salesman know how much you want the car. i prefer to avoid specifics such as "one hour", specific acts, etc. for me, it's mechanical and it puts the chica in a mechanical mood. there is some risk in not negotiating the details, but if you can get the girl to relax and be friendly, chances are you'll get what you want. best to negotiate the exact amount though, and i usually promise a little tip if i have a really good time. that seems to work 95% of the time.

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For you because you are smart, have a clue, and lots of experience :) less negociation is better and can result in a more natural time

Not the case for many, especially newbis. I'd risk mechanical vs the Oh, I dont do that or 100 other bullshit things they can pull in the room.

Some guys disagree, and thats fine for them especially with a little experience, but new guys should negociate more rather than less IMO :)


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:14 pm 
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I am more of a MP kinda guy, but the times I have grabbed from sportsmens or del ray I have found to have a really good time when I really did not do much negotiating at all. Just talked to them like anyone else and threw in hints as to what I was looking for and expecting. I really hate to discus the money part but found it easy after spending some time with them to get a lot more for your money, either them coming way down off 100 bucks, or getting a lot of time with them for your money. I paid the dreaded 100 buck offer for the first time ever on my last trip but not till after I had talked and flirted with the girl for about a hour and a half at the bar. Enjoyed her company so decided not to haggle down the price and ended up with one of the top 3 girls of the trip performance wise and longest time spent with any one girl as she stayed for 4.5 hours and made sure I was supper happy before she left.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:32 pm 
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Srilm wrote:
Scuba1 wrote:
Srilm wrote:
just like buying a car -- never let the salesman know how much you want the car. i prefer to avoid specifics such as "one hour", specific acts, etc. for me, it's mechanical and it puts the chica in a mechanical mood. there is some risk in not negotiating the details, but if you can get the girl to relax and be friendly, chances are you'll get what you want. best to negotiate the exact amount though, and i usually promise a little tip if i have a really good time. that seems to work 95% of the time.

SR


For you because you are smart, have a clue, and lots of experience :) less negociation is better and can result in a more natural time

Not the case for many, especially newbis. I'd risk mechanical vs the Oh, I dont do that or 100 other bullshit things they can pull in the room.

Some guys disagree, and thats fine for them especially with a little experience, but new guys should negociate more rather than less IMO :)


Yeh, you're right about that. Especially for new guys that are looking for something specific, probably should at least negotiate their deal-breakers. Once that's out of your system, then go for the more relaxed experience.

SR



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