Ahhh. The everlasting and on-going CIEN debate! I had some free time today and I just finished reading yet ANOTHER thread about whether or not we should pay the chica's CIEN. It's been talked about on this forum before, many many many times, ad nauseum. In fact, it's probably one of the longest and most historically talked-about subjects on this board. But some guys still just don't get it. Some guys are still dead-set against paying Cien.
So what do I do? What the hell.... I figured I'd start another thread about it. If this helps to enlighten only ONE monger, then it's done it's job. Any more than that is gravy! This thread will be a little different than the other cien threads. I'm posting this from a different angle, in hopes of getting guys to change their way of thinking when it comes to paying CIEN. Here goes.....
Let's try to spell it out - There's nothing wrong with paying cien! That's right... I've said it before and I'll say it again (newbies listen up) “ THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH PAYING CIEN, BUT THERE MUST BE CONDITIONS!
Besides that - when it comes to the inner workings of a chica's mind, no mortal man can (or ever will) figure out what goes on in their heads. But let's try to break it down a little bit, so guys aren't so afraid to pay cien. Or so that some guys might realize that “ even though CIEN is a 4 letter word, it's not necessarily a bad thing. 
There are an infinite amount of factors involved - when it comes to the pricing structure equation of this thing we call P4P. The problem is not about paying cien. The REAL problem is paying her cien for an hour (or less) of uninspired, mechanical, wham-bam, take-a-number, robotic, BJ con condom, assembly-line sex with all the fake moaning, fake orgasms and the bull$hit rules and attitude that go with it. THIS IS THE REAL PROBLEM WITH PAYING CIEN! And when you pay as soon as you get to the room? Hell... that's a whole 'nother thread! If you're still confused, go back and read this paragraph again until the light goes on. IMO, this is what it's all about.
It seems like too many guys walk around places like the HDR, SL, KL with a hard-on, not only in their boxers, but they've got a hard-on about paying he dreaded Cien. It's almost like they've got blinders on. And because of this, they might be missing out on (what could be) a phenomenal session with a hot and horny Latina (yes, believe it or not - they DO get horny)!
Gentlemen... it's business, plain and simple. But you can play the game without that business feel if you want to. Granted, you have to NEGOTIATE, but that's where the business part of it should begin and end. If you don't want to pay Cien, you don't have to. There's a ton of other options around town where you can get your plumbing taken care of for a FRACTION of that amount. They're called MP's !!! And there's no negotiating necessary. You simply point and shoot.
But for the most part, I think the real “cien debate is mostly referring to the 1 hour chica's we meet in the more popular places like the Del Rey, Sportsmens Lodge and Key Largo . Do most chica's quote cien right off the bat??? Of course! Big phucking deal. Who gives a shit! No worries !!! They're working and they need to make money. Nothing wrong with that. I'd be doing the same thing if I were in their shoes. But you can't lose sight of the fact that it's a 2-way street.
We have what they want ($$$), and they have what we want (pu$$y). Agree on the price and the options (see below), and let the fun begin. When you're done, do the right thing and give them the agreed upon amount, propina optional. And then if you want, get their number for future reference. Then you simply repeat this process as many times as your schlong (or wallet) lets you!
You've just got to find an agreeable middle-ground that makes it a win-win for both parties, without spoiling the mood or making it “feel†like business transaction. And this can be done relatively easily, without insulting them and without hurting your wallet. Simply negotiate with her, but try to keep it light. If she's hardcore, she probably won't come off her amount, and those are the best kind of chica's to walk away from. She's ultimately doing you a favor by making it a simple decision for you. NEXT!
Lots of guys will tell you (and they're RIGHT) that many times, the hottest chica's in the bar are not the hottest chica's en la cama! As far as I'm concerned, I'll take a playful 7 with a great attitude over a mechanical 10 who thinks she's doing you a favor by talking to you.
Simply put - Cien is NOT an unfair price, but it should be a conditional price. And since we are the ones with the $$$, we should be the ones to make that final decision on what we spend, and who we spend it on. IMHO - there's NOTHING wrong with paying cien if you can negotiate some (or all) of the following:
Multiple hours (or multiple chicas for an hour), chica masturbation, BBBJ, multiple pops (for you and/or her), gaping, CIM, double penetration, bondage, TLN, sex toys, anal, propina, pics / video, poultry, livestock, and anything else that you kinky phuckers can think of.
In summary - don't let the inevitable, opening quote of CIEN be the governing factor, and don't get your panties in a bunch when she asks for it. Try to focus on the QUALITY of the upcoming session, not the QUANTITY of money that you're spending. And remember that once you get home from your trip, chances are better-than-average that you'll remember those outstanding sessions MORE than how much $$$ you spent on vacation.
And one last thing.... lots of guys talk about how bad it is - when all the other guys (who pay cien) supposedly ruin it for everyone else. Every time someone writes that, I wanna spew my coffee on my keyboard! The amount of CRT members who are in the gulch at any given time are nothing but a small fraction of the overall amount of mongers on the scene. And IMO, we will NEVER change the inner-workings of the chica's minds. But the one thing we have going for us, is the information we share amongst ourselves. That in itself gives us the knowledge and helps prepare us (especially newbies) for the field of battle that we call “the gulch!
I've been to CR more than a couple of times, and I've been with more than a couple of chica's. And to this day I've never let the mongers (who've gone before me) govern what I'm going to pay! Of course and as always.... YMMV !
- Go to CR.
- Don't make too many plans.
- Enjoy yourselves.
- Party with friends.
- Have a few drinks.
- Eat some good food.
- Phuck like rabbits.
- Wrap that rascal.
- Treat the chica's nice.
- Laugh a lot.
And above all - don't sweat the little things.
Life's just too damn short......
Now FLAME AWAY !!!!!!!!!!
