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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:03 pm 
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...and sees 20 mongers and over 100 girls, 15 of which are 8+ hot. He goes, "Ratio of girls to guys is 5 to 1! Excellent! Woohoo!"

Now, since Clyde is in a hurry to get laid, he doesn't stay at Cocal the whole night. Thus Clyde doesn't see the 40 other mongers who walked in before him - as well as the 50 who pass through after him - who are pulling chicas from the same pool of 100.

In other words, the ratio of chicas to mongers throughout the night is not as high as Clyde thinks it is. And the ratio of HOT chicas to mongers is much lower.

To make this really work, you'd need to work out the number of 're-visits' by both mongers and chicas ...
BUT ... though returning mongers are seldom 'buyers', the returning chicas ARE 'sellers', and thus must be counted twice, based upon the timeframes of reoccurances.

In truth, the only ratio that means anything is the one in play when YOU are on site. Someone else's ratio doesn't mean shit.

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Due to my limited experience 20+ trips I can only pass on with regards to ratios and prices what I have seen paid and offered.


Pops' point seemed clear to me:

Average Monger A - let's call him "Clyde" - walks into Cocal on a Friday night at 9 PM and sees 20 mongers and over 100 girls, 15 of which are 8+ hot. He goes, "Ratio of girls to guys is 5 to 1! Excellent! Woohoo!"

Now, since Clyde is in a hurry to get laid, he doesn't stay at Cocal the whole night. Thus Clyde doesn't see the 40 other mongers who walked in before him - as well as the 50 who pass through after him - who are pulling chicas from the same pool of 100.

In other words, the ratio of chicas to mongers throughout the night is not as high as Clyde thinks it is. And the ratio of HOT chicas to mongers is much lower.

Did I get that right, Pops?

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You are generally correct in the sense that the ratio at Cocal, on average for the whole night, is most likely very different than the ratio observed by Clyde (or any other monger) who dwells at the bar area for any specific and limited period of time.

The true ratio is not static and varies at any given point in time, during the active hours of around 7:30pm and 11pm, the duration of the prime action on any given night. Chicas arrive and stay until they get an acceptable offer, then go and may or may not come back. Another factor that is unique to Cocal, because of the customer base, is the sudden exit of a group of 5 or more chicas without obvious clients, rushing out cell phone in hand to get on a taxi or van, headed to a party site where they have been hired by remote groups of partiers.

Also, monger numbers change at any given time as they come and go throughout the night.

All of these fluctuations of participants make it very difficult to assess the true evening chica to monger ratio unless observed and estimated throughout the evening. Therefore only an observation at any given point in time is accurate in most cases...."at 9pm last night, Clyde and I went for a beer at Cocal, man, there were 4 chicas for every gringo there!!"


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 2:51 pm 
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Clyde? As in the infamous "Clueless Clyde"?? :lol: oh yeah I've seen him in Costa Rica. Not the sharpest knife in the drawer to be sure. :mrgreen:

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As I understood it, Pops' second point was related to chica pricing and how the real ratio of mongers to chicas on any given night affects their willingness to accept (or not) a lowball offer.

In other words, just because Clyde only sees 10 mongers and 100 chicas, it doesn't mean the chicas are just waiting for Clyde to mosey up to one and offer 60 dollars for a session. They may have already worked once, twice or even thrice and are just there to see if they can catch another high-roller before the night is over.

When Clyde offers his 60 or 80 and gets countered with 150 or even 200, the chica is saying, "Fock off gringo codo, I already made money so I don't need your miserable 80 dollars... go find a desperate chica."

P.S. I was wondering if anyone would get the Clyde reference - kudos PR.

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Clyde? As in the infamous "Clueless Clyde"?? :lol: oh yeah I've seen him in Costa Rica. Not the sharpest knife in the drawer to be sure. :mrgreen:



I think we could all be considered 'Clueless' at one point in our mongering career, especially the fisrt trip or 2 or 3. We have all made some "rookie" mistakes that we look back on & now view as clueless.

The truly clueless are the loud mouths such as the ones at the airport or on the plane that someone eluded to earlier this week or last week, the loud mouth boozers in the HDR, CoCal or wherever, the Clydes drunk or not, that have to talk down to the staff/chicas so that everyone in the bar/resturant has to hear their story about how they are in charge here or whatever.

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Phoenix Rising wrote:
Clyde? As in the infamous "Clueless Clyde"?? :lol: oh yeah I've seen him in Costa Rica. Not the sharpest knife in the drawer to be sure. :mrgreen:



I think we could all be considered 'Clueless' at one point in our mongering career, especially the fisrt trip or 2 or 3. We have all made some "rookie" mistakes that we look back on & now view as clueless.

The truly clueless are the loud mouths such as the ones at the airport or on the plane that someone eluded to earlier this week or last week, the loud mouth boozers in the HDR, CoCal or wherever, the Clydes drunk or not, that have to talk down to the staff/chicas so that everyone in the bar/resturant has to hear their story about how they are in charge here or whatever.

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costareeker wrote:
Phoenix Rising wrote:
Clyde? As in the infamous "Clueless Clyde"?? :lol: oh yeah I've seen him in Costa Rica. Not the sharpest knife in the drawer to be sure. :mrgreen:



I think we could all be considered 'Clueless' at one point in our mongering career, especially the fisrt trip or 2 or 3. We have all made some "rookie" mistakes that we look back on & now view as clueless.

The truly clueless are the loud mouths such as the ones at the airport or on the plane that someone eluded to earlier this week or last week, the loud mouth boozers in the HDR, CoCal or wherever, the Clydes drunk or not, that have to talk down to the staff/chicas so that everyone in the bar/resturant has to hear their story about how they are in charge here or whatever.

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I was never good with math in school. All those Ratios and Fractions, etc. Being a Noob with 1 Gultch trip under my belt, it sounds like I better put Jaco on hold and stick with the Gulch!

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I was never good with math in school. All those Ratios and Fractions, etc. Being a Noob with 1 Gultch trip under my belt, it sounds like I better put Jaco on hold and stick with the Gulch!

No, you need to experience Jaco. Just go for 2 nights, and you'll decide for yourself. Many members love Jaco.

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Yes, do yourself a favor and experience Cocal and its spillover in Jaco. If you are coming all the way from the Midwest and have been to the gulch more than once, a couple or three nights in Jaco will complete your CR mongering experience! Well worth the extra effort to get there 8)


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Q= propellant mass flow rate =100/kg/sk=specific heat ratio=1.20 M=exhaust gas molecular weight = TC...
I'm launching a rocket today
Can anyone help me with fuel exhaust and nozzle expansion ratios cause I'm saying Phuck it and heading to cocal to play with 1 of many available women.


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I look at it this way, HDR and Cocal still have a better selection of ladies than you have at home, or you would not trek all the way to CR.


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Mike123 Hope this helps:

As the combustion gas enters the rocket nozzle, it is traveling at subsonic velocities. As the throat constricts, the gas is forced to accelerate until at the nozzle throat, where the cross-sectional area is the least, the linear velocity becomes sonic. From the throat the cross-sectional area then increases, the gas expands and the linear velocity becomes progressively more supersonic.

The linear velocity of the exiting exhaust gases can be calculated using the following equation [1][2][3]

v_e = \sqrt{\;\frac{T\;R}{M}\cdot\frac{2\;\gamma}{\gamma-1}\cdot\bigg[ 1-(p_e/p)^{(\gamma-1)/\gamma}\bigg]}
where:
v_e = Exhaust velocity at nozzle exit, m/s
T = absolute temperature of inlet gas, K
R = Universal gas law constant = 8314.5 J/(kmol·K)
M = the gas molecular mass, kg/kmol (also known as the molecular weight)
\gamma = c_p/c_v = isentropic expansion factor
c_p = specific heat of the gas at constant pressure
c_v = specific heat of the gas at constant volume
p_e = absolute pressure of exhaust gas at nozzle exit, Pa
p = absolute pressure of inlet gas, Pa
Some typical values of the exhaust gas velocity ve for rocket engines burning various propellants are:

1.7 to 2.9 km/s (3800 to 6500 mi/h) for liquid monopropellants
2.9 to 4.5 km/s (6500 to 10100 mi/h) for liquid bipropellants
2.1 to 3.2 km/s (4700 to 7200 mi/h) for solid propellants
As a note of interest, ve is sometimes referred to as the ideal exhaust gas velocity because it based on the assumption that the exhaust gas behaves as an ideal gas.

As an example calculation using the above equation, assume that the propellant combustion gases are: at an absolute pressure entering the nozzle of p = 7.0 MPa and exit the rocket exhaust at an absolute pressure of pe = 0.1 MPa; at an absolute temperature of T = 3500 K; with an isentropic expansion factor of γ = 1.22 and a molar mass of M = 22 kg/kmol. Using those values in the above equation yields an exhaust velocity ve = 2802 m/s or 2.80 km/s which is consistent with above typical values.

The technical literature can be very confusing because many authors fail to explain whether they are using the universal gas law constant R which applies to any ideal gas or whether they are using the gas law constant Rs which only applies to a specific individual gas. The relationship between the two constants is Rs = R/M.

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Yes but what is the average thrust quotient required for the average nica versus tica?

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