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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:11 pm 
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Actually Mr. BB my old friend and mentor, I fear I didn't get my point across.

With all due respect my example is 100% relevant to what I'm pointing out which is this: some folks persist in asserting as it were a general rule, applicable in every monger: "If you're paying cien you're trying to impress the chica or you think you'll get a better session" or "ALL LATINOS EXPECT TO NEGOTIATE (another generalization btw) and if you don't, they think you're crazy or stupid." I still say IT IS NOT RELEVANT! What you GAVE her after the session with NO pre-determined price having been set is just that--you GAVE IT TO HER, NOT PAID HER as would have been the case if you had agreed on a price before hand. YOU have no idea what her price would have been if you had discussed it ahead of time but one can assume she was happy with the cien. Would she have gone for less?? NOT at all important now!!!! In your case there never was a price established so in no way did you give her $100 to try to impress or for a better session-would be impossible to even think you did. As for "it were a general rule" I have NEVER said nor (hopefully) even implied that I think every monger paying "cien" is doing so to impress her or get a better session. I DO KNOW thou that there are many who sadly DO!!!! As for "ALL LATINOS EXPECT TO NEGOTIATE", Maybe it is a generalization, but if so, it is one that fits virtually EVERY Latino I have ever had business dealings with, And yes, I know you are Latino, but I worked with Latinos every day for over 40 years. And I have spent much time in several Latin countries for over 50 years and Yes, they all expected me to negotiate. Maybe in the Caribbean Countries Latinos are different, but the few times I have been in the Caribbean I did not see it as being any different.

This simply isn't the case for everyone who does this. My example illustrates this, and I'm not alone.

The chica you referred to (yep, I know who you mean :) ) as someone we both have enjoyed, albeit at different prices, actually reinforces my point, which is this: it seems to me you and others like Scuba1 believe the rest of us should do what you do in every case. I have NEVER said that others should do as I do!! some who solely want to disagree with everything I say may say I have but they are full of bullcrap!!!! I have said many time I do not care what one pays!! It is the reason WHY they do what they do that bothers me. I have ALWAYS SAID WHAT SOMEONE ELSE PAYS HAS ABSOLUTELY NO AFFECT ON WHAT I PAY. Now guys throwing 50-100% tips at chica especially when it was just "good" (not way over the top, best ever type thing), yes I think that is just plain stupid no matter how much money one has nor "I am on vacation and I will do what I want" - even more stupid!! Yes it is their right to do it but just as they do not have to listen to me or anyone else on the reason not to do it, I have the right to tell them how incorrect and utterly stupid it is!!

In her case, I chose to give her cien because I had a great time with her. She gave you "the same" quality of session for 50 or 40 or 20 or even free. There is the difference I discussed earlier--"I CHOSE to GIVE her cien" :idea: YOU did not agree before the session to pay her cien!!!!! In my book there is a very BIG difference in the two. As I recently mentioned in another post, there are a few (very few) chicas that if I had to I would give "Cien" to, not because I would feel the need in order to get a better session nor to impress her, but because I know she is that good!!! The chica that is now in Miami is a case in point! I would gladly pay cien to do her if I had to!!! and you know very well that I have never said one word critical of what you paid her!!

Guess what? That's totally cool with me, as I'm not preoccupied with what you paid versus what I paid. Au contraire - I'm happy for you.

What is important to ME is that I was perfectly content with the value received for the amount I paid. What you or others paid the same girl? 100% irrelevant to me.

Nor do I worry that these chicas "lose respect" for me. If we have a good client/provider relationship, they don't lose respect - they are grateful and appreciative. And if they aren't or they act up (and believe me, some have), I simply drop them from the rotation.

Now, do I always pay cien? Nope.
Do I mind paying it if the chica + session merits it? Nope.

So, to recap:

- I'm Latino, but I'm not hung up on spending my time negotiating to save 20 or 30 bucks or explicitly specifying a laundry list of "services" I require in exchange for my dollars.
- I'm on vacation. I'm there to have a good time, which I always do. :)
- I'm not there to impress chicas with my negotiating skills or business savvy.
- I'd rather impress them with a good time in la cama. ;)

My two cents,

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What amazes me is why I am considered so 'anti-cien" :? :roll: I guess it is because I have never had to pay it and guys know that, so I "must be against paying cien". And the fact that I personally see no reason to - I know way too many chicas who are top notch in looks and service and who will gladly session for less!! If I were a tourist visiting here, and did not know so many chicas, I might pay cien. Again my objection is not WHAT someone pays, but the reason (or lack of a reason) they pay cien!! The one other problem is-it is an arbitrary figure that someone came up with years ago, and it is a price that is totally out of line with other prices in Costa Rica. And when I hear guys say "I pay it because it is so much cheaper than in the states" I cringe!! THIS IS Costa Rica-you are NOT in the USA!!!

The other aspect of the "it is so cheap compared to what I would pay in the States"--A guy comes here ! He pays $1200 dollars for transportation, hotels, meals, and miss expenses. He does 12 chicas and pays each the bargain price of "cien"! WHAT DID HE REALLY SPEND FOR EACH PLUCK :idea: :?: $200 Almost any where in the states you can get plucked for $200!! Where is the bargain :?: :idea: Other than as some (many) might say- she is a hot Latina, not a Gringa!! Hey in most parts of the USA today there are hot Latinas and/or Asians more than willing to pluck you for $200.

Maybe my posts come across as trying to tell guys what they should do and not do but in all honesty I am just trying to show guys the reality of what they do or don't do. They can take it or leave it, no skin off my old bones!!! Also most often it is based on my own mistakes over the years. As I have said many times, it is not what you pay, but the "why", and "the more the last guy paid her, the less she needs from me"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So PAY that chica big bucks guys!!!! :P :twisted:

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:39 pm 
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Loco Mike wrote:
... The friggin Morazon? ...

I like the Morazan, Mike. True it is a Motel 6 level of stay, but the price point is excellent, and the location is terrific. I will agree that it isn't for everyone, but there's plenty more to nail ol' Scuba on than his coice of venue. :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:46 pm 
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Loco Mike wrote:
First of all excellent post MH, I roll pretty much the same way.

Scuba1, now you have me laughing :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: like a mother phucker. The friggin Morazon? :shock: :shock: That place is the biggest shithole in the gulch why would you want to stay there? If San Jose had legit building inspectors that toilet would have been condemed years ago. :D The way you post I thought you had a little bit of class and style. I was wrong. You go from the Prez to the city dump, wtf dude? :? a few suggestions for your next trip 1) you could pm Circus and see if he will lend you a cardboard box :D , a little less costly than the city dump but probably nicer, 2) You can bring a tent and pitch it parque morazon, 3) Maybe you can sleep under a bridge in a cardboard box or sleeping bag, 4) have you considered the Nuevo Johnson? 5) Just stay home until you can save up enough $$$ to get a decent room; or 6) establish a paypal account and maybe a few guys who enjoy your witty, insightful arrogant post will contribute so you can get a better room next time.

Sorry I just can't believe someone who comes across the way you do would stay in one of the biggest dumps i n Central America. Have a nice night scuba1 and thanks for making me laugh. :D :lol: :lol: :lol:

Got one question !! When was the last time YOU stayed there (the Morazon)?? that gives you the right to say such disparaging things about the place and anyone who stays there! . When was the last time you were even in the place and in a room there?? Just love people who talk shit with NO personal experience. I personally know several people who could buy and sell any monger hotel here who actually stay there. Got to love people who think "if it isn't the "Ritz" it is no good!!!

By the way, it is the only hotel I ever stayed in when visiting here. But the last time was 10 years ago and no, it was not a 5 star hotel even then but it was nicer than today. I have been in rooms there (recently) and I have been in rooms in the REY! I hear and read where guys say the REY's rooms are great! Personally I can not for the life of me figure that out-to me it is a bigger shithole than the Morizon!! Would I stay at either one? NO! Would I critize ANYONE for staying at either? NO, other than I just do not understand and never have understood the fascination some have with the REY, but that is just my personal opinion.

Where one stays is each individual's choice and nothing gives YOU or anyone else the right to blast them the way you did Scuba for staying there. It is non of your plucking business where anyone stays!!! And where one stays when here has absolutely NOTHING to do with how much knowledge and understanding of mongering one has. Staying in the most expensive hotel here in no way makes you an intelligent and knowledgeable monger. One CRT brother who was and is by those who know him considered one of the all time most knowledgeable mongers ever to visit here stays at one of the other hotels you mentioned as being just as bad! Where one stays is just like who one plucks-it is their choice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:49 pm 
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BD, the location is great but the rest I could do without. I thought you like the Castillo but moved to other venues because of the remodeling.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:16 pm 
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Is it me, or does anyone else on here also get the feeling that Scuba and BB57 are sitting together somewhere, sharing a computer, posting on CRT while giving each other hand-jobs. :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:31 pm 
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BB57 is the pot calling the kettle black? Maybe I missed a lot of your post the last week or two but you are starting to come off as an angry old man. You have called people you don't know stupid and pathetic because you do not like how they spend their money. Not your money their money!

Have you ever tried a quaalude ? I recommend that you take two and post again in the morning ! :) :)


I realize, based on your previous post, that you are retired and CRT is a big part of your life. On the other hand you have to realize that many of us like to go to the Cr, DR. SEA, MDE to party and have a good time, we don't need an angry old man telling us that because we spend $20 more than you think we should spend we are stupid and pathetic. Many of the guys who go to the various destinations have worked their asses off for many years to get a few dollars and will spend it as they please. Others have spent many years at various universities throughout America in order to learn something and obtain degrees so we could have a chance at earning good money some day.

BB57 I realize you bring a lot of perspective to the board but don't be a hypocrite. Nobody likes a hypocrite. My rights to post as I please emanate from the same place your rights do. Have a nice night !


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:40 pm 
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Yatzie I see your level of insults is still headed towards the gutter, and your level of useful info is still in the pits (non existent)!!! Must be wonderful to be so smart and knowledgeable and so hung up on ones self! Now if I could just figure out what a guy who knows everything and is not here to learn is doing on this board!! Oh I know!! He is here to cause trouble and insult people!!!! Go right ahead, your only making yourself look bad!!! Believe me I can take anything you can dish out!

By the way what happened? Did the poor lil thing pass out with his finger on the '0' key in your last "intelligent :roll: :?: " post???

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That's not an insult, that's called a joke. Loco's right, you need a qualude dude.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:29 am 
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think y'all need a 'lude or two ... sheesh!

I was wondering if maybe, perhaps, we could *not* have another 'cien debate' for ... I don't know ... maybe, like, 10 new threads?

I was tempted to start a new thread about the weather, but am afraid someone will mention (during the barametric pressure reports) that paying cien is evil. It's enough to make a Dwarf miss the ol' Obama-bashing trolls. :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:24 am 
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I am going to make a provocative observation. I think the cheap, voyeuristic, expat garbage that infest the Sportmans and HDR driven many of the better looking girls to other venues. They slither in there every day and sit there nursing a glass of water and just watch people. They do not spend any money and are creepy. If I was the owner of any of these establishments I would have security run their scabby asses back out to the street. I assume we will all soon receive a "UNIBOMBER" style manifesto from Scooby Doo and Bang Bung. Get out the popcorn boys!


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Before we start jumping on posters, can we first differentiate posters that add to the site versus posters that just bitch and complain on it?

It is very easy for anyone to get their dander up and post an angry diatribe. We should not measure their input based upon that alone. I would suggest reviewing a posters history before we blatantly insult them for a single thread. I made this mistake when I shot back at Tellen, accusing him of adding nothing to the site. When I went back to review his threads, I realized that I had wronged him and apologized.

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Yatzie wrote:
Is it me, or does anyone else on here also get the feeling that Scuba and BB57 are sitting together somewhere, sharing a computer, posting on CRT while giving each other hand-jobs. :lol:



Another myth debunked! Hey, Yatzie...are you sucking LocoMike's dick - you guys are posting similar so you must be doing that - as stupid a suggestions as the one you made Yatz' :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Although we are friends and share a common philosophy on common sense and knowledge of Costa Rica.

Mike, I highly doubt you know anything about the Morazon other than what is posted on line - yeah, while its not the Ritz, its a clean, centrally located hotel - there is another reason I like the place - I'm a cigar guy; mostly 2 a day - and they have balcony's on the rooms I stay - with the smoking laws in Costa Rica, that's important - to me.

Aside from an excellent location, its not like we are talking a shithole like the Hotel Nuevo Johnson - but I digress.

You assume its b/c I'm cheap - I assure you I'm not. But the reason I was able to retire in my 50's was I have developed an ability to look at things on a common sense basis:

What would a different hotel room get me - I like the location and want/need a balcony (being able to smoke cigars is important to me!)
I don't want to stay at the HDR - been there and hate the rooms, atmosphere (Sorry, Net :P :lol: :P )
Sportsmans? Like the place, recommend it for especially new guys - but I'm not a drinker and don't care for that part of town
If I take the bus from SJO, I save about $30 vs a taxi - that pays 2 lunches, a dinner, or 1/2 the hotel room for the night

You also have some pair of balls - unless you are paying for my room, you have no standing to critizize my choice on the basis you did.

You also ignored that part I responded to you that I'm some kind of phoney who does not visit Costa Rica - I told you how wrong you are and you come back with a personal attack on where I choose to stay :roll: :roll: :roll: Frankly, while I have broad shoulders, I hate phoneys and being acused - wrongly - of being one.

You - and others - also forget one very important fact:

I'M NOT THE GUY - THE NEWBI MOSTLY - THE ONE WHO KNOWS LITTLE OF COSTA RICA, ITS CULTURE - THE GULCH - AND IS ASKING FOR ADVICE. I'm happy with what I do in Costa Rica, and how I do it - I don't need anyone's validation of what I do; believe me my ego is not that fragile.

Someone asks a question, assuming it has nothing to do with the merits of the "Jungle Room" in the Mansion Wing <no clue if there is even such a room> of the Sportsmans :roll: :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :P :P likely I'll answer it if I know the answerer - I don't parrot what others say, nor do I post about things I know little

(kinda like someone I know posting about a hotel he knows nothing of - other than what he's read, or accusing someone who has forgotten more about Costa Rica than he will ever know of being some kind of phoney who posts based on no knowledge whatsoever - like the old joke goes, if the floo shits, wear it.....)


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I am going to make a provocative observation. I think the cheap, voyeuristic, expat garbage that infest the Sportmans and HDR driven many of the better looking girls to other venues. They slither in there every day and sit there nursing a glass of water and just watch people. They do not spend any money and are creepy. If I was the owner of any of these establishments I would have security run their scabby asses back out to the street. I assume we will all soon receive a "UNIBOMBER" style manifesto from Scooby Doo and Bang Bung. Get out the popcorn boys!


Oh and PS - to Jayz....we already have an idiot who posts unintelegble gobeldegook - his name is Greengo; if he actually existed, or if anyone had ever met him, I'd introduce you - the site does not need another :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :twisted: :twisted: although I'll concede you just may actually exist.

Your observations are incorrect - while I don't depend on either place I don't see too many creeps drinking water - thanks for a great example of the wacked out idiocy that tends to rile me up.

This is what we've come to on CRT......newbi's, would be bullies who think they can do whatever the cunting hell they want, BECAUSE ITS THEIR VACATION AND THEIR MONEY, and Phuck you, you old cocksuckers who think you know better, and nut cases...........


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:59 pm 
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What - you believe the cost of the Phuck is directly related to the quality I also know what that justice of the supreme court meant when he talked about the definition of pornography <Potter Stewart, I think> - "I can't describe it but know it when I see it"

About that cost vs. quality comparo: That's the "correlation is causation" fallacy.
And it was Mr. Justice Stewart on that quote. Here's the context: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it

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Loco Mike wrote:
BD, the location is great but the rest I could do without. I thought you like the Castillo but moved to other venues because of the remodeling.

I like the Morazan, but I LOVE the Castillo. I can't wait to see the remodelling next week.

Morazan is a dump, but it's a nice dump. I would not hesitate to stay there again. But I can completely understand that many guys won't waste their time to stay there.

It is the quintessential TEHO hotel.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:36 pm 
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Scuba 1--your last post was an incredible rant. Maybe the qualude suggestion might help you as well. Morazan--over the years I've stayed there a few times (used to like rooms 410 and 415), but rooms have gotten so ratty I wouldn't stay there till they do something about the dirty stinky carpet, replace the crappy soiled,stained mattresses (probably haven't been changed in 20 years). I do like the new restaurant. Castillo--took a little tour in Nov. Bathrooms were about finished-- beautiful tile work. They were sanding down the old wood floors (complete dust cloud). It will be nice when finished.

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