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No, it isn't. You're making assumptions.

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No, it isn't. You're making assumptions.[/quote]



Yeah, the assumption that I'm correct!


What - you believe the cost of the Phuck is directly related to the quality (Boy, do I know some guys who probably agree with that one ) - that's your ass talking - your mouth knows better!

If the chica asks for Cien, I usually counteroffer with $120 then tell her she should never accept anything less than that from gringos because in the US the standard prices are more than double.

There, that should give you all something to chew on for a while.

Just kidding actually, but in reality I'm more than happy to pay the cien if she's really a hot girl with a good attitude that's not going to watch the clock or be a prude in the sack.

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Scuba, I mean "Professor Emeritus Scuba1", what is wrong with you? You come on the board day after day, week after week, year after year, and commnet about other peoples experiences and the hotels in which they stay but never your own. How about it CRT Einstein? Why dont you take 10-15 minutes out of your not so busy day and tell us what hotels you stay in, what you pay for your room, where you go to look for chicas ect...(Even if it is not in the CR) Respectfully, in my 7+ years on CRT, and other boards, I have never seen anybody who post as much as you who never post about their own experiences. You sit up there in your lofty perch and act like Moses delivering the word of God. Get a life and lighten up dude. Keep in mind most of us are just a bunch of guys looking for a little fun and that's about it.

Mike - a lot you don't get - like humor, satire, and good writing. sorry, if someone - and in this particular instance, I'm not referring to you - is a dummy, I'm gonna likely comment on it - someone makes a statement that flies in the face of what I know not to be true BASED UPON MY OWN EXPERIENCES AND COMMON SENSE - again, I'm gonna comment.

Fur christs sakes, Mike - its a message board - that's its purpose - you post, or I post, and others comment.

I actually answered your now 2nd request for personal info in another post - I believe it was a response to Yatzie - - I stated that I don't - despite what you might believe - live my personal life on a message board - sorry, just not my style.

And you know what - what I do works for me - I also know what that justice of the supreme court meant when he talked about the definition of pornography <Potter Stewart, I think> - "I can't describe it but know it when I see it" I'll extrapolate his statement to include stupidity - believe me, I know it being associated with this board for 10 years - in fairness, I've also met some really good guys.


What I feel about the many idiots that post - most don't know what they don't know, but are very eager to "enlighten" the world with their experience and expertise based on a trip or two.

If you read my posts, there is often a lot of info contained - also some humor and good writing - certainly not every post blasts someone for being an idiot.

What would give you the idea that were I to post my whole deal that it would suit you - believe it or not, I don't care what you do or how you do it - what pisses me off is when those with little experience post that this is the "way" and often, there are other alternatives that work even better.

As to time spent, I am doing other things; not like a few posts a day take up a lot of time - the board is something I enjoy - and if the muse strikes me, I post - like when some dummy makes a personal attack or someone a particularly stupid post - just sayin'

Humor ????? , sorry you are not even close to being funny. Witty, arrogant and insightful I will agree with. I am not asking you to post about your personal life. I am asking you to tell us what hotels do you stay at? Where do you go for chicas? stuff like that. If you do not go to the Del Rey than where do you go? Now that you are no longer staying at the Presidente where do you stay? I think it is rather unfair for you to be extremely critical of others who share their experiences and never share your own, particularly in light of the number of post you have and the manner in which you express yourself.

I am beginning to think you are one of them weirdo's who longer go to CR, or anywhere else, but get some kind of ego boost by being a know it all on a message board. Not trying to flame just my hunch. The reason for my hunch is that from time to time someone will post something about a venue, hotel or airline and it would trigger a response that elicits a more personal response. For example if someone were asking about a premium room at La Amistad or SL, those of us who stay in them may respond by saying I stayed in room so & so room and..... You never do. Why is that?

Beating up on a newbie is akin to the clubbing of the seals. We were all newbies once. In my case I had been going to CR for over two years before I joined CRT. I wished I would have joined a couple of weeks before my first trip. I had to learn some lessons the hard way and spend more $$$ than I should have.

No amigo, you're not correct. Common sense my ass.

You're assuming guys pay cien because they think they'll have a better session or because they want to impress the chicas. That is quite the generalization. Almost as bad as calling working girls, "ticas".

Are those statements true for some? Sure.

Do they hold true for everyone? Of course not.

I'll give you one example. One Friday afternoon not long ago I hooked up with a CRT darling whom I hadn't been with before. Based on her general friendliness and the number of CRT brothers raving about her, I decided to chat her up.

We spent a long time together talking and the experience was mutually pleasant, so I suggested we relocate to my room.

Did I bother negotiating? No. Did she ask me for cien? No.

Seven hours and several leches later, I happily handed her cien which she accepted with a smile, a hug and a long sexy kiss. And then she wouldn't leave, so we ended up having one more go. Total GFE+PSE experience.

The typical sportsphucker is interested in maximum number of leches at the lowest price. That's cool, too. But it's not my thing, baby.

Moral of the story: TEHO. Don't assume that what works for you (or me) will work for everyone.

mh

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MH, my friend with your example you are comparing oranges to apples. Your example IS NOT what is being discussed here. NOT even close!!! You are talking about not agreeing to any financial arrangement BEFORE hand so there was NEVER any thought on your part of "I will agree to pay her $100 because it will give me a better session on her part"! Totally impossible for you to have thought this before hand since you never agreed to any set amount. You paid her $100 after the fact because she had given you much more than would normally be expected. Based on what you described, $100 was actually damn cheap of you

I really think that what is being discussed here is the ABSOLUTE FACT (I HEAR IT ALL THE TIME) that there are MANY guys who are scared to death to negotiate and pay the "cien" out of fear that if they try to negotiate her down, the quality of the session will go down also!!! YOU ARE LATINO, YOU should know better than most that LATINOS/AS expect there to be negotiating/ bargaining in almost any business transaction (and these chicas are no different), and to not do so can be and often is considered a sign of weakness thus telling the other person they can screw you over!!

Will talking her into less NEVER result in a lower quality session? Certainly not! Being obnoxious, disrespectful, and totally ridiculous in your offer (and not just concerning the $$$) will turn any chica off and result in a bad session almost every time. Developing a rapport, a"friendship", and a connection with the chica before ever discussing money, or as in your example, not even discussing money before hand, will almost never result in a bad or inferior session. Obviously negotiating a lower than "cien" price WILL NOT NECESSARILY RESULT IN A LOWER QUALITY SESSION!!! Showing her that you are interested in her and in having a good time with her and not just a "slam bam, thank you mame" pluck will almost always get you a good session no matter what you pay!!

I think what is being discussed here is the idea of many who seem to think that no matter what, if you do not agree up front to pay what she wants, you will get a reduced quality session. That may be true of a very few chicas, but not the majority; and if you cannot tell from her attitude (it will change if she is not happy with the agreed to price) then you need to get some lessons in reading people. That particular change is like reading a kindergarden primer!!!!!!!!!!! Even worse is the guys who automatically pay "cien" (and there are more than most would believe) because they want to impress the chica. A sad, pathetic bunch of guys!!!! Sure they will be happy to get the money and will (probably but not guaranteed) give you a good time, but they also will see you as a guy throwing away his money unnecessarily! Most importantly, SHE WILL ALWAYS KNOW WHETHER SHE REALLY EARNED THE "CIEN" OR NOT!!!

Over the years you (MH) and I have done a few of the same chicas. In, I think, every case you paid her more (sometimes much more) than I did. Did it result in you getting a better session out of the chica? We will never know, but I think not!! If your session(s) were any better than mine you would have never let her leave Jeje!! Hell with one, you would be hanging out at MIA everyday!!! My point is, and you know this is true, it is not how much or how little (within reason) you pay the chica, it is the rapport, the connection, the emotions involved, that determine the quality of the session with all but the most extreme hardcore! And with those, it will almost never be a session to "write home" about!!

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I think there are 3 or more active threads on the topic of cien and tipping. How exciting.

Actually Mr. BB my old friend and mentor, I fear I didn't get my point across.

With all due respect my example is 100% relevant to what I'm pointing out which is this: some folks persist in asserting as it were a general rule, applicable in every monger: "If you're paying cien you're trying to impress the chica or you think you'll get a better session" or "ALL LATINOS EXPECT TO NEGOTIATE (another generalization btw) and if you don't, they think you're crazy or stupid."

This simply isn't the case for everyone who does this. My example illustrates this, and I'm not alone.

The chica you referred to (yep, I know who you mean ) as someone we both have enjoyed, albeit at different prices, actually reinforces my point, which is this: it seems to me you and others like Scuba1 believe the rest of us should do what you do in every case.

In her case, I chose to give her cien because I had a great time with her. She gave you "the same" quality of session for 50 or 40 or 20 or even free.

Guess what? That's totally cool with me, as I'm not preoccupied with what you paid versus what I paid. Au contraire - I'm happy for you.

What is important to ME is that I was perfectly content with the value received for the amount I paid. What you or others paid the same girl? 100% irrelevant to me.

Nor do I worry that these chicas "lose respect" for me. If we have a good client/provider relationship, they don't lose respect - they are grateful and appreciative. And if they aren't or they act up (and believe me, some have), I simply drop them from the rotation.

Now, do I always pay cien? Nope.
Do I mind paying it if the chica + session merits it? Nope.

So, to recap:

- I'm Latino, but I'm not hung up on spending my time negotiating to save 20 or 30 bucks or explicitly specifying a laundry list of "services" I require in exchange for my dollars.
- I'm on vacation. I'm there to have a good time, which I always do.
- I'm not there to impress chicas with my negotiating skills or business savvy.
- I'd rather impress them with a good time in la cama.

My two cents,

mh

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Started out being an HDR question, but everything seems to morph into a cien debate on CRT. We really could use some mods that merge this stuff into a single thread.

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Scuba, I mean "Professor Emeritus Scuba1", what is wrong with you? You come on the board day after day, week after week, year after year, and commnet about other peoples experiences and the hotels in which they stay but never your own. How about it CRT Einstein? Why dont you take 10-15 minutes out of your not so busy day and tell us what hotels you stay in, what you pay for your room, where you go to look for chicas ect...(Even if it is not in the CR) Respectfully, in my 7+ years on CRT, and other boards, I have never seen anybody who post as much as you who never post about their own experiences. You sit up there in your lofty perch and act like Moses delivering the word of God. Get a life and lighten up dude. Keep in mind most of us are just a bunch of guys looking for a little fun and that's about it.[/quote]



Mike - a lot you don't get - like humor, satire, and good writing. sorry, if someone - and in this particular instance, I'm not referring to you - is a dummy, I'm gonna likely comment on it - someone makes a statement that flies in the face of what I know not to be true BASED UPON MY OWN EXPERIENCES AND COMMON SENSE - again, I'm gonna comment.

Fur christs sakes, Mike - its a message board - that's its purpose - you post, or I post, and others comment.

I actually answered your now 2nd request for personal info in another post - I believe it was a response to Yatzie - - I stated that I don't - despite what you might believe - live my personal life on a message board - sorry, just not my style.

And you know what - what I do works for me - I also know what that justice of the supreme court meant when he talked about the definition of pornography <Potter Stewart, I think> - "I can't describe it but know it when I see it" I'll extrapolate his statement to include stupidity - believe me, I know it being associated with this board for 10 years - in fairness, I've also met some really good guys.


What I feel about the many idiots that post - most don't know what they don't know, but are very eager to "enlighten" the world with their experience and expertise based on a trip or two.

If you read my posts, there is often a lot of info contained - also some humor and good writing - certainly not every post blasts someone for being an idiot.

What would give you the idea that were I to post my whole deal that it would suit you - believe it or not, I don't care what you do or how you do it - what pisses me off is when those with little experience post that this is the "way" and often, there are other alternatives that work even better.

As to time spent, I am doing other things; not like a few posts a day take up a lot of time - the board is something I enjoy - and if the muse strikes me, I post - like when some dummy makes a personal attack or someone a particularly stupid post - just sayin'[/quote]
Humor ????? , sorry you are not even close to being funny. Witty, arrogant and insightful I will agree with. I am not asking you to post about your personal life. I am asking you to tell us what hotels do you stay at? Where do you go for chicas? stuff like that. If you do not go to the Del Rey than where do you go? Now that you are no longer staying at the Presidente where do you stay? I think it is rather unfair for you to be extremely critical of others who share their experiences and never share your own, particularly in light of the number of post you have and the manner in which you express yourself.

I am beginning to think you are one of them weirdo's who longer go to CR, or anywhere else, but get some kind of ego boost by being a know it all on a message board. Not trying to flame just my hunch. The reason for my hunch is that from time to time someone will post something about a venue, hotel or airline and it would trigger a response that elicits a more personal response. For example if someone were asking about a premium room at La Amistad or SL, those of us who stay in them may respond by saying I stayed in room so & so room and..... You never do. Why is that?

Beating up on a newbie is akin to the clubbing of the seals. We were all newbies once. In my case I had been going to CR for over two years before I joined CRT. I wished I would have joined a couple of weeks before my first trip. I had to learn some lessons the hard way and spend more $$$ than I should have.[/quote]




Humor, like taste in women is highly personal - I guess we will just have to leave it at that..........

Although stating it tends to piss off NHHank, I have well over 40 trips, over 15+ years - my last trip was in December (less then a month and a half ago) , my next is in late Feb.

SO YOU COULD NOT BE MORE WRONG ABOUT ME BEING A "DRUGSTORE COWBOY" OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF PHONEY - I GO, HAVE GONE, AND PLAN TO GO IN THE FUTURE - I AVERAGE 3-4 TRIPS PER YEAR. And that is the honest truth. You actually owe me an apology for intimating that I'm some kind of fraud who knows nothing (even my most severe critics never say that - they confuse the expression of the message with the message). You made a hell of a statement and you are totally incorrect - although I'm not gonna hold my breath waiting for a simple "I'm sorry, I'm wrong". B/c you are.

You bring up an interesting point about guys asking about hotel rooms - yes, correct, they do; frequenty - and almost always its about La Amestead or Sportsmans - I've been to both, but never stayed at either. So I can't comment on the virtues of the Mansion Wing at Sportsmans, never having stayed there. If you knew me on a personal basis, you would know I post about what I know IOW, what I've seen, felt, experienced, or what common sense and life experiences have taught me. I don't parrot what others think or say - agree or disagree with me, know when I post its based on what I know and what I honestly believe.

I stayed for years at the Presidente, many times at the Holiday Inn until policies made staying there crazy (I've also stayed at the HDR - so when I say I don't like the place, its based on actual experience)- as a rule, I'll stay at the Morazon - mainly b/c I always get a balcony room, and its fairly close to a gym I work out at every AM, and I just got used to that part of town.

As far as other questions you have, suffice it to say I don't rely on the HDR and since I've been coming down for so long I have many friends in San Jose.

If you want a very good picture of me - warts and all - read the post (I forget what forum; maybe this one ) by my friend BangBang57. He did a great job summing me up - again, warts and all.

Mike, this was the BB57 post I was referring to -

First of all excellent post MH, I roll pretty much the same way.

Scuba1, now you have me laughing like a mother phucker. The friggin Morazon? That place is the biggest shithole in the gulch why would you want to stay there? If San Jose had legit building inspectors that toilet would have been condemed years ago. The way you post I thought you had a little bit of class and style. I was wrong. You go from the Prez to the city dump, wtf dude? a few suggestions for your next trip 1) you could pm Circus and see if he will lend you a cardboard box , a little less costly than the city dump but probably nicer, 2) You can bring a tent and pitch it parque morazon, 3) Maybe you can sleep under a bridge in a cardboard box or sleeping bag, 4) have you considered the Nuevo Johnson? 5) Just stay home until you can save up enough $$$ to get a decent room; or 6) establish a paypal account and maybe a few guys who enjoy your witty, insightful arrogant post will contribute so you can get a better room next time.

Sorry I just cant believe someone who comes across the way you do would stay in one of the biggest dumps i n Central America. Have a nice night scuba1 and thanks for making me laugh.