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It's amazing the "cien discussion" has been going on for many years. Here is a post from Feb 2006:

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"Welcome to the greatest group of guys in the world Markrli. You've chosen wisely in grabbing a membership right away. It will open more doors and save you more money than you can believe.

My advice to you is to immediately ignore all the ribbing you're going to get with your dollar vs colone question.

When the chicas speak of "cien" they mean $100 good old fashioned US Dollars. With a little over 500 colones to the US dollar right now, 100 colones would be about 20 cents. Now you could probably get laid for that in San Jose, but you would have to be into necrophilia as a hobby.
Others will tell you that would be a reasonable price in Morozan Park. The ladies in Morozan Park are not ladies at all, but have some additional equipment which rather spoils the whole night's entertainment.

Read, read, read everything you can on this board. Use the search engine to key in on specific questions, and then if you can't find an answer, post it here and at least 50% of the answers will be helpful.

CRT has an excellent reputation for being the best source of information anywhere and at least one or two guys here are going to be able to answer any question you have.

Back to the "cien" question. The current trend for the service workers in Costa Rica is to ask for cien or even more. We recommend that you negotiate for a better price. If you pay the asking price, the service is not going to be any better than if you paid $50, and negotiation is part of the pleasure of closing the deal.

Remember our motto here at camp: If she's a 10, she'll want at least cien; if she's a seven, you'll still be in heaven (and saved $30 too)

Good luck and welcome amigo "

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Not amazing at all - AND, its been going on a lot longer than 2006

What is interesting is this particular poster, El Lamero, is spot on in his comments

If some guys don't want to listen, know that the answer has been the same since 2006 -almost 10 years ago - and truth be known, a lot longer.

You know, when I was in sales, we used to say an expert is someone from over 100 miles away :P :lol: :lol: :lol: :P - so for guys who don't believe the "cheap assholes" who populate the board today (and believe :shock: me.....I really wanna name names :lol: :lol: :lol: :twisted: :lol: ) listen to what it was back in 2006 - great point El Lamero makes about how you are unlikely to have a better experience the more you pay....and he is correct - but what do cheap old cocksuckers know :P :P :lol: :lol: :lol:

So for guys like my friend Yatzie <sorry.....I really tried not to name names :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :P :P :P :P :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ), maybe when guys post that it does not matter - well, the beat goes on!

(Just like a guy from 100 miles away is an "expert" maybe a post from 2006 validates what some of us have been saying....and not just to Yatzie ) :) :) :)


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..So for guys like my friend Yatzie ...

Yatzie never claimed that more money led to better sessions. He simply said that he knows what he is doing, and it's his business what he wants to pay whom.

PHUCK! I really wanted to stay off this thread. However, it is wandering off topic. It is about the HDR, and not "cien".

I have nothing to add to the HDR topic that hasn't been said by several posters already.

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..So for guys like my friend Yatzie ...

Yatzie never claimed that more money led to better sessions. He simply said that he knows what he is doing, and it's his business what he wants to pay whom.

PHUCK! I really wanted to stay off this thread. However, it is wandering off topic. It is about the HDR, and not "cien".

I have nothing to add to the HDR topic that hasn't been said by several posters already.



No one is saying he did - but the fact that he posts that he is gonna pay whatever he wishes; its his business, ect - I think the comments from the past are spot on. You are not a strict constructionist are you - most threads wander - and in the case of the post from the past, make a lot of sense - and not just for one person - for many.

You don't get a better time by paying more - you don't have to pay $100 in the HDR (or most anywhere in SJ) - and while what you pay does not effect ME, I think guys should conform to the local culuture - and perhaps post less and read more when they are new - not just to CR, but anywhere.


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Most comparos between prices in '06 and '14 are specious if they ignore inflation, much less the ups-and-downs between currencies. This should convince: http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/ Plug in the years to be compared, the amount and hit ""Calculate"--the USD has inflated 17+% cumulatively in 8 years and thus $100 in '06 is +/- $117 today. Other way around--$100 today would have been $85 in '06. You're welcome.

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Bash....I'm truly appreciative and a little humbled at your kind words. Thanks. :lol:


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I'll admit to being a newbie.


Really :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: ....thanks for clearing that up - we would not have known :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :P :P :P :P :lol: :)

Seriously - while I get the impression this is business trip that could turn into a trip with benefits for you vs a planned monger trip, I can't say enough how much info is contained on CRT - reading the board might give you a level of comfort with the seamer aspects of the Zona Roja in San Jose - if the "search" function was not so lame, I'd suggest that.

Still, lots of great info here :)



Well, how 'bout it 'cleod - how close am I to the truth re your trip.


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No one is saying he did - but the fact that he posts that he is gonna pay whatever he wishes; its his business, ect - I think the comments from the past are spot on.


It's time to bump this thread again:

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=32158

Or to save time, just read this excerpt:
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Let's try to spell it out - There's nothing wrong with paying cien! That's right... I've said it before and I'll say it again (newbies listen up) “ THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH PAYING CIEN, BUT THERE MUST BE CONDITIONS! :shock: Besides that - when it comes to the inner workings of a chica's mind, no mortal man can (or ever will) figure out what goes on in their heads. But let's try to break it down a little bit, so guys aren't so afraid to pay cien. Or so that some guys might realize that even though CIEN is a 4 letter word, it's not necessarily a bad thing. 8)

There are an infinite amount of factors involved - when it comes to the pricing structure equation of this thing we call P4P. The problem is not about paying cien. The REAL problem is paying her cien for an hour (or less) of uninspired, mechanical, wham-bam, take-a-number, robotic, BJ con condom, assembly-line sex with all the fake moaning, fake orgasms and the bull$hit rules and attitude that go with it. THIS IS THE REAL PROBLEM WITH PAYING CIEN!


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In some ways what I am about to say sure does not sound like me but in other ways it will!!! Once again I will ask the question (this time to Jazzbo): What the hell has the inflation rate of the dollar IN THE USA got to do with the actual cost of ANYTHING in Costa Rica other than in this case your USD should maybe go a little father, right ? WRONG!!! Yes the inflated dollar may affect what you can afford to spend but, what you actually pay for anything in a foreign country has nothing to do with the inflated dollar (except for commodities bought and imported into that country with USDs) and everything to do with the local currency!! The question should be, What can I get IN COLONES for that dollar today compared to 8 years ago, and what will that dollars worth of colones buy today compared to then! Surprisingly it is about the same-a little over 500 to 1. Now what that 500+ colones will buy today compared to 8 years ago is a different story. I just posted the annual inflation figures for CR in another thread (which I do not have handy at the moment :oops: ) but compounded inflation for this period is about 100% give or take a little. Based on that one could say that if you were paying $100 8 years ago (AND WE ARE TALKING SOLELY ABOUT INDIES IN THE REY AND/OR SL), and since the exchange rate is about the same you should be paying $200 for the same service today!! WOW! can not believe I just said that!!! :oops: :wink: BUT here is the catch!! 8 years ago only an extremely small handful of totally clueless idiots would ever actually pay $100 here. Yes there were chicas beginning to ask for "Cien" but virtually no one payed it! Norm then for most tourist for a session in the REY with a real hottie was maybe $50; $60 absolutely tops. It was actually about 10 years ago that I made my "blunder" and paid $80 for what turned out to be the absolute worst session in all my years as a monger! No one could believe I paid that much (hell I could not believe I did it :roll: :oops: ) And by the way, that is the only time in almost 20 years I have paid more than $60!!! and no, as others can tell you they are not dogs!!!!Many are the same chicas some guys pay $100 and rave about! Today, because of there being more (higher percentage) of clueless guys coming here, more guys who think that paying more automatically equates to better service, and more guys who are here more to play the rich Gringo roll than to pluck chicas than there were 8 years ago (my opinion based on what I see and hear EVERYDAY HERE!! :evil: compared to back then) the average paid now is probably approaching $75, maybe as high as $80! At $80 that would be about a 60% increase over the average 8 years ago. That may not equal the 100% inflation but virtually no where are people here making 100 % more for the same work than what they were making 8 years ago-for most it is about the same, 60% more. AND it is a hell of a lot more than the increases the MP chicas have gotten (exactly 0% more). Yes MP prices have gone up a little (about 15%) but the owners have kept that and the chicas are still getting exactly the same as 8 years ago. This is the main reason most of them are now charging for "extras"!! and many have opened their own MPs (where they are now charging more)!

My argument is not and never has been that you should not ever pay "cien". My argument is that you should not roll over and play dead like a little puppy at her feet and agree to what she asks and for what she is willing to give for that price. THIS IS A LATIN COUNTRY! They expect you to bargain and negotiate the price and the services she will preform for that price. Many guys refuse to believe it because they do not understand Latin culture and expect everything to be the same as in the USA, but I promise you that to a Latino(a) not negotiating is a sign of weakness and tells them immediately that they have a sucker who they can take advantage of!! When they say "cien" they expect you to bargain and only a very, very few really expect every guy to pay "cien" and an even smaller number will not go for less!!! And yes, guys who live here often do have the advantage over the "tourist" guys. Those chicas who will not give residents a lower price will let you know very quickly-they will walk away as soon as they hear those 3 little words "I live here"! And guess what? That is just fine because just as with my $80 experience, 99.9% of the time those chicas, thou they may be hot looking, will be cold, dead fish in the sack no matter what you pay them.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Another place where we residents have the advantage-many of the really bad ones will avoid us so we don't have to worry as much about accidently hooking one.

One last point concerning my statement that I never said never as for paying "cien"! There is a chica -believe it or not, a MP chica, who charges right at $100 for a session. Would I pay "cien" to do her? Hell yes!! BUT she is a very hot NICA! She is willing, and enjoys, doing anything a guy might want. In other words she will do things most think only happens in very hardcore porn flixs . Not only is she open to anything, she is WAY above average in everything she does!!. Only problem is she is booked by appointment almost all the time BY TICOS, and YES at $100, making it hard to ever get an appointment with her!!! And before anyone asks, I am talking about Roxan who owns the MP, Roxans in San Francisco de dos rios (located about 2 miles south of the REY) And there are a couple of other chicas that if I had to, I would pay cien!! But I don't have too :wink: :twisted:

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In some ways what I am about to say sure does not sound like me but in other ways it will!!! Once again I will ask the question (this time to Jazzbo): What the hell has the inflation rate of the dollar IN THE USA got to do with the actual cost of ANYTHING in Costa Rica other than in this case your USD should maybe go a little father, right ? WRONG!!! Yes the inflated dollar may affect what you can afford to spend but, what you actually pay for anything in a foreign country has nothing to do with the inflated dollar (except for commodities bought and imported into that country with USDs) and everything to do with the local currency!! The question should be, What can I get IN COLONES for that dollar today compared to 8 years ago, and what will that dollars worth of colones buy today compared to then!

Surprisingly it is about the same-a little over 500 to 1. Now what that 500+ colones will buy today compared to 8 years ago is a different story. I just posted the annual inflation figures for CR in another thread (which I do not have handy at the moment :oops: ) but compounded inflation for this period is about 100% give or take a little. Based on that one could say that if you were paying $100 8 years ago (AND WE ARE TALKING SOLELY ABOUT INDIES IN THE REY AND/OR SL), and since the exchange rate is about the same you should be paying $200 for the same service today!! WOW! can not believe I just said that!!! :oops: :wink:

BUT here is the catch!! 8 years ago only an extremely small handful of totally clueless idiots would ever actually pay $100 here. Yes there were chicas beginning to ask for "Cien" but virtually no one payed it! Norm then for most tourist for a session in the REY with a real hottie was maybe $50; $60 absolutely tops. It was actually about 10 years ago that I made my "blunder" and paid $80 for what turned out to be the absolute worst session in all my years as a monger!

No one could believe I paid that much (hell I could not believe I did it :roll: :oops: ) And by the way, that is the only time in almost 20 years I have paid more than $60!!! and no, as others can tell you they are not dogs!!!!Many are the same chicas some guys pay $100 and rave about!

Today, because of there being more (higher percentage) of clueless guys coming here, more guys who think that paying more automatically equates to better service, and more guys who are here more to play the rich Gringo roll than to pluck chicas than there were 8 years ago (my opinion based on what I see and hear EVERYDAY HERE!! :evil: compared to back then) the average paid now is probably approaching $75, maybe as high as $80! At $80 that would be about a 60% increase over the average 8 years ago. That may not equal the 100% inflation but virtually no where are people here making 100 % more for the same work than what they were making 8 years ago-for most it is about the same, 60% more. AND it is a hell of a lot more than the increases the MP chicas have gotten (exactly 0% more). Yes MP prices have gone up a little (about 15%) but the owners have kept that and the chicas are still getting exactly the same as 8 years ago. This is the main reason most of them are now charging for "extras"!! and many have opened their own MPs (where they are now charging more)!

My argument is not and never has been that you should not ever pay "cien". My argument is that you should not roll over and play dead like a little puppy at her feet and agree to what she asks and for what she is willing to give for that price. THIS IS A LATIN COUNTRY! They expect you to bargain and negotiate the price and the services she will preform for that price. Many guys refuse to believe it because they do not understand Latin culture and expect everything to be the same as in the USA, but I promise you that to a Latino(a) not negotiating is a sign of weakness and tells them immediately that they have a sucker who they can take advantage of!! When they say "cien" they expect you to bargain and only a very, very few really expect every guy to pay "cien" and an even smaller number will not go for less!!! And yes, guys who live here often do have the advantage over the "tourist" guys. Those chicas who will not give residents a lower price will let you know very quickly-they will walk away as soon as they hear those 3 little words "I live here"! And guess what? That is just fine because just as with my $80 experience, 99.9% of the time those chicas, thou they may be hot looking, will be cold, dead fish in the sack no matter what you pay them.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Another place where we residents have the advantage-many of the really bad ones will avoid us so we don't have to worry as much about accidently hooking one.

One last point concerning my statement that I never said never as for paying "cien"! There is a chica -believe it or not, a MP chica, who charges right at $100 for a session. Would I pay "cien" to do her? Hell yes!! BUT she is a very hot NICA! She is willing, and enjoys, doing anything a guy might want. In other words she will do things most think only happens in very hardcore porn flixs . Not only is she open to anything, she is WAY above average in everything she does!!. Only problem is she is booked by appointment almost all the time BY TICOS, and YES at $100, making it hard to ever get an appointment with her!!! And before anyone asks, I am talking about Roxan who owns the MP, Roxans in San Francisco de dos rios (located about 2 miles south of the REY) And there are a couple of other chicas that if I had to, I would pay cien!! But I don't have too :wink: :twisted:





Whew...fixed it for you - Long post = paragraphs BB, PARAGRAPHS :P :P :P :P :) :) :) :) :)

ASIDE FROM THE COMMENTS ABOUT YOUR SEXUAL PROWESS, and the girls you have lined up just waiting foe a chance to Phuck you (Sorry, BB, sorry :oops: :P :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ) a really excellent post.

The part I highlighted is really the crux - and it also might explain why certain philosophies tend to annoy me.

Its not always better 10 years ago - but I think about that time you had guys more interested in learning the "hobby" (don't K*D yourself - you may know how to Phuck, but that is not what I'm talking about) vs the attitude I'm here on vacation and its my money and I'll spend it as I please.

I also - a few posts back - made the point everyone has paid cien, probably even Whitecat :lol: :lol: :lol:

I also think - that some of the glowing reports on what a guys actually did - especially if it took place in Jaco :P :P :P may have been good for him, but perhaps not for me, if you take my point.

(And no - while I appreciate that good times like beauty is in the eyes of the beholder - there is a reason professional res't reviewers are employed vs some deadbeat that thinks McDonalds has some of the best hamburgers - so some guys who has phucked twice in his life - not counting barnyard animals :oops: :P :lol: :lol: :lol: - is not gonna sway me - and probably others with some experience and a clue.)

I'll share a story with you:

I'm at the Delrey one early evening (yes - you read right :roll: ) - and I see this nebishee guy from S FL <of course :roll: :roll: :roll: > that one of my friends knew slightly, and he is hearding this Dominacana out the door - now, this was not your slinky, caffe au lait colored sexy body Dominacana that you just knew had a clit you wanted to suck for hours.....no, this broad looked like a ghetto black from the USA - complete with stretch pants and attitude <kinda reminded me of the old stereotype of a "Welfare Queen"> or Moms Mabley <anyone remember her????>

Now........this Nebishee Newbi is gonna recommend girls - or comment on his scession???? Only to say what - in the old days, guys would say, well the last thing I phucked was a chick - no, not a word for a girl, but a chicken - so I don't know what the shitting hell I'm doing but that's not gonna stop me from telling other guys that I can Phuck who I please, at whatever cost I please and if you don't agree you are a cheap cocksucking asshole - How am I doing so far????


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...<even more words>...

A major ramble there bud. As to the guy's choice in chicas, TEHO. We shouldn't rag on other guys' pulls. It doesn't matter if the world agrees with you, it is not our job to alienate each other. And the same goes for guys that want the trannys. So long as they don't try to show me their photo album, they can do as they like.

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A couple of years ago, I met a guy in the SL who only wanted very fat chicas. I think I only saw one in the SL during that trip - I didn't know about the MP on calle six at that time. Since the supply for his desires was very small, he probably paid more than he should have. But he got what he wanted. I don't think anyone has the right to criticize what a person does if it has no impact on others.

I like a particular type of lady (definitely not fat), and sometimes I pay more than the customary rate. Some people say that the chicas don't respect someone who does that. What the chica says or does when she is not with me does not affect me at all. Almost every time, the ones to whom I pay more, have been worth more than I paid. The primary reason I travel to Costa Rica and Colombia is to be with very nice, pretty ladies. Some people here in the US say I am trying to re-live my youth. Maybe I am, and I'm having a damned good time doing it, and I'm spending the money I worked many years to save.


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I've stayed at the Mona Lisa for a week almost every month since they took over from the Clarion. Having talked to countless guests I have still yet to meet one who has lost anything there as a guest. This whole safe thing is beginning to be a lot like Elvis sightings.


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A couple of years ago, I met a guy in the SL who only wanted very fat chicas. I think I only saw one in the SL during that trip - I didn't know about the MP on calle six at that time. Since the supply for his desires was very small, he probably paid more than he should have. But he got what he wanted. I don't think anyone has the right to criticize what a person does if it has no impact on others.

I like a particular type of lady (definitely not fat), and sometimes I pay more than the customary rate. Some people say that the chicas don't respect someone who does that. What the chica says or does when she is not with me does not affect me at all. Almost every time, the ones to whom I pay more, have been worth more than I paid. The primary reason I travel to Costa Rica and Colombia is to be with very nice, pretty ladies. Some people here in the US say I am trying to re-live my youth. Maybe I am, and I'm having a damned good time doing it, and I'm spending the money I worked many years to save.



John, the guy in my <true> example was a dweeb - I can't help it....when I see a dweeb, I have to say it - and boy you should have seen this girl - I doubt you would have wanted to Phuck her - personally, I don't disagree with your post - individual taste is just that - what I consider an 8 or a 9 or even, yes, a 10 - you may not - and guess what - we are both right.

As I've said many times, most guys with experience have paid more than they "should" even Whitecat, I suspect - I just see guys spending more then they should on slutty, shitty clock watching types - and sometimes they don't even counter when she asks the dreaded cien - one thing I've convinced of is - OVERALL AS A GENERAL STATEMENT - she is not gonna Phuck you beter for $100 vs $60 or $80. But you know, it does not effect me personally, b/c what someone else pays is not going to have an effect on me.

(Oh - and John - since the "market" for fat chicks is shall we say, limited (so many like the fake tits, skinney, real slutty look :lol: :roll: :roll: :roll: :wink: :P :lol: - she was probably glad for the drubbing your friend gave her :wink: )


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OVERALL AS A GENERAL STATEMENT - she is not gonna Phuck you beter for $100 vs $60 or $80.

Nice example of a strawman argument... or is it a red herring?

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OVERALL AS A GENERAL STATEMENT - she is not gonna Phuck you beter for $100 vs $60 or $80.

Nice example of a strawman argument... or is it a red herring?

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