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SJO actually has Health Department Inspectors closing down restaurants? :shock: Holy crap that's news, guess dirt floors, rodent infestation and no more than 5 cockroaches per square ft. in a kitchen aren't considered serious violations though. :lol:


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SJO actually has Health Department Inspectors closing down restaurants? :shock: Holy crap that's news, guess dirt floors, rodent infestation and no more than 5 cockroaches per square ft. in a kitchen aren't considered serious violations though. :lol:


They take cockroach infestation very seriously. :roll: The current standard is if they find more than 3 female adult egg bearing roaches per square meter you have 30 days to reduce the population to the acceptable level. :wink: Should you fail to comply but the inspector feels you made an honest attempt to rectify the problem he is authorized to accept the payment of 10,000 colones in lieu of closure. :lol: In order to avoid unnecessary paperwork there is no written receipt or report involved. :D

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The sanitation level of many of the places on Calle Amargura is not the best. :shock: :roll: There is a constant battle between the business owners and the Health Department Inspectors. :lol:



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the pizza at caccio's is rather good :)


Err Caccios just got shut down last month by the health department :shock:



I LOVE Costa Rica and this place is perfect for me. But I got to tell you that I am shocked to find that they even have "Health Dept Inspectors". I know all the regulations in the states and I haven't seen many places that would pass by US standards. My guess is that the monthly inspection amounts to a free meal and about 10,000 colones.


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from chepe, just head on into san pedro, like you're going to mall san pedro. go straight through the rotunda, and you'll see the outlet mall on your right, then a gas station right past that. go just a tiny bit past the gas station, not even a block i think, and you will see a stop light with a middle 'merge' lane, with usually taxis turning to the left. that is calle amargura.

the pizza at caccio's is rather good :)


Thanks , I will go there when I arrive .


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I went to a Club area called El Pelbo last week with my wingman and a couple of girls. Allot of college age people hanging out, not a place to go solo. There was a lot of people wanting to talk with gringo, but also a lot of people not liking Gringo's.


Brave ;)

The man speaks the truth, TONS of young people in Pueblo, also quite a few "professionals", but definitely not the kind of place you want to go alone.


Not a place you want to be either alone or with others very very late at night or early morning. Notorious for fights breaking out and ending with someone being shot or knifed. :cry:


Unless there are multiple crimes going unreported, this isn't any worse than the clubs back home in Detroit. One needs to learn how to avoid trouble - rather than look for it. I had a GF whose cousin picked a fight NYE. The other guys left the bar and got a .22. When the others left the bar, there was a fight, followed by gunshots. My GF's cousin got hit in the shoulder, and the bullet glanced off the bone and went into his heart. He died before he could even bleed. The police said if the shooter had a high caliber gun, it would have blown the guy's shoulder apart but would not have have bounced to his heart and he'd be alive. Ego and other similar attitudes get people in a lot of trouble when they need to just learn to walk away.


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Unless there are multiple crimes going unreported, this isn't any worse than the clubs back home in Detroit.


Doesn't Detroit have one of the highest crime rates in the United States among major cities :?: :lol:

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Unless there are multiple crimes going unreported, this isn't any worse than the clubs back home in Detroit.


Doesn't Detroit have one of the highest crime rates in the United States among major cities :?: :lol:


Yeah - usually Detroit and Flint are competing for that top spot (I live in Flint). Time magazine rated Flint the worst city to live in in the USA a few years ago.

I figure if I can make it here, SJ is a breeze.


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Not to hijack the thread, but I just stumbled on this article and got a good laugh.

Detroit #1 most miserable city in the USA

Flint #3 - we moved up a peg!

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Unless there are multiple crimes going unreported, this isn't any worse than the clubs back home in Detroit.


Very true. I've been going to Pueblo 2x a week for the last 3 years and haven't had any problems or even witnessed any shootings or stabbings... That isn't to stay it's a super safe area, it just is what it is.

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I've read on some of the touristy websites (Sorry for straying to the other side. :cry: ) that there are some nice shops and perhaps a decent restaurant or two in El Pueblo. In fact, I think that some of the guided tours of SJ include a daytime stop there. It seems that there may be two El Pueblos. The second one only comes out at night.

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There are two very different sides to El Pueblo. During the day the shops and restaurants basically cater to the tourist market. Early evening until about midnight the bars and restaurants are still in there tourist mode. After midnight the crowd becomes a little younger and rougher. While not an every day occurrence there have been multiple reports of violence including stabbings and persons being shot. You just have to be cautious late at night.

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Yeah - usually Detroit and Flint are competing for that top spot (I live in Flint). Time magazine rated Flint the worst city to live in in the USA a few years ago.

I figure if I can make it here, SJ is a breeze.


And this explains why I laugh when some of our brothers talk about crime in San Jose. When you hail from Detroit, Flint, Philadelphia, Chicago, New York, and the like, you learn how to exercise caution. While some things are unavoidable, the street-level training is priceless.


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There was an article in AM Costa Rica this morning about the problems at El Pueblo.

"El Pueblo commercial center struggles with its past
By Elise Sonray
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It is called a tourist center, but some might say it looks more like a ghost town. A place once so crammed with people at night that no one could move now is populated with for sale signs and empty walkways.

So what happened to “El Pueblo?” That's what many tourists who return probably wonder. The commercial center in north San José is surrounded by freshly painted colonial architecture, filled with verdant gardens and antique alleys, but the souvenir shops and art stores are desolate during the day, and the nightclubs are less than what they once were in the evenings.

Most San José residents say it was the violence that deterred them. Shootouts and drug wars in Centro Comercial El Pueblo, were all over the news a few years ago. The U.S. Embassy itself banned its employees from entering El Pueblo in 2004, because of a shootout that killed a security guard.
For awhile it seemed as if every weekend brought another shootout.

But the president of El Pueblo says everything was exaggerated by the media.

The president, Marvin Solís Delgado, said there has never been an incident with guns inside the walls of El Pueblo in the center's 30-year history. However there were shootings that took place in the parking lot, including the man who killed guard Ricardo Bernardo Richards Campbell, 43, with a machine pistol just after he was kicked out of El Pueblo. And there is the case of Alejandro Durán Gómez, 22, shot in 2006 while trying to get a taxi after a night at one of El Pueblo's discotheques.

Some employees in El Pueblo admit that there have been numerous violent incidents. They say it is due to the increased violence in the country. “Violence has gotten stronger everywhere, there's an increased level worldwide,” said Alicia Aguilar Ramírez, a shop owner in El Pueblo for seven years.

“Dangerous is not the right word for El Pueblo,” said Seidy Chaves Rojas, assistant to the center's council. “The entire country is more dangerous now.” Ms. Chaves said the country has changed greatly since the center opened 30 years ago, and that violence is more prolific everywhere.

Ms. Chaves is not far off. Violence in Costa Rica is perceived to be rising, as is the population and number of immigrants. President Óscar Arias Sanchez proposed 1,000 more police officers per year. Operatives in which police “sweep” zones and investigate hundreds of people at a time seem to be more frequent nationwide. Meanwhile, officials reported that tourism is going up and violence against tourists is going down. The country is doing well, according to the government. Places like El Pueblo say they are doing well too.

Despite the past and whether it was violent or not, there is one thing El Pueblo employees all seem to agree upon: Things have gotten a lot better. Safety wise, that is. Almost every employee emphasized the 24-hour surveillance and security cameras that were installed two years ago. There are 23 security guards who work directly for El Pueblo now, said Solís. Previously there were 16 contracted guards whom he described as cold and unfriendly. He also added that the doorways are guarded at night and people are searched before entering. And there is a metal detector.

As for tourists visiting during the day, many shop owners refuse to admit that numbers have gone down. “Many tourists from all over the world come here,” said Lidia Susana Castelli, an art shop owner and member of the local five-member council. “We've always had the same amount of tourists.”
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Colonial architecture and many individually owned storefronts give El Pueblo a unique flavor.

Ms. Castelli said she expected more people to come because of the beauty and renovation work being done in El Pueblo.

“90 percent of the tourists who come to San José still come to El Pueblo,” said Solís, adding that taxi drivers and hotel receptionists helped get the word out.

One shop owner who refused to give her name, said numbers have sunk greatly since she opened her store. “You have to ask the administration,” she repeated numerous times, “I can't say anything.”

Ms. Aguilar agreed that the number of tourists had gone down. “We really hope more people will start coming,” she said standing in a friend's unpopulated souvenir shop. “We are now open 9 a.m. to 12 a.m.,” she said hopefully.

It's true, as youth start filing into the discos after sunset, the souvenir stores stay lighted and waiting in the darkness.

The nightlife still holds sufficient numbers, but, according to one cook who's worked at El Pueblo for six years, the place is not what it once was. “These walkways used to be full of people,” he said gesturing at the empty stone paths. Now promoters stand outside clubs coaxing passersby to enter. These same clubs once had long lines, said a guest.

According to Solís' numbers, weekends used to yield 10,000 people and now yield 5,000 to 7,000. They were scared off by bad publicity, he said.

Many older Costa Ricans who spent their youth dancing at El Pueblo clubs or listening to performers at the various bars are saddened by the current situation. There still are some locations like the Tango Bar that draw a loyal and specific clientel.

When asked about future plans, Solís mentioned new bathrooms, handicapped access ramps and restoring the structure to modern standards. El Pueblo management put up a new sign before high season and rebuilt the arch at the entrance. Solís also hopes many of the for rent spaces will be occupied by more souvenir shops.

“Many of the owners changed their services to offer high class prices and items,” he said. “The people who came here before don't come anymore.” Solís said cruise ships now only send a fraction of their guests to El Pueblo because they say there aren't enough stores.

“We are rescuing El Pueblo” said Solís, and the place looks beautiful. In the daily sunlight gardeners can be seen planting flowers, maids mopping the floors, and workers painting the walls, but they are the only ones in sight."

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“90 percent of the tourists who come to San José still come to El Pueblo,” said Solís


Sounds like textbook Tico reasoning to me :lol:

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I hail from the "mean streets" of Miami growing up. I have been to El Pueblo solo many times. I have had someone start a fight with me and I have had a knife pulled on me another time. I handled myself forcefully, confidently, and smartly enough to avoid it being a bigger problem. Although I consider these minor problems, I agree with Jim Hart, go in a group of friends. As I said in another thread, the drunk Tico's can barely keep from fighting with each other much less a gringo by himself on the prowl for their native women. Translation, they don't need much of a reason. One got into with me b/c I put my hand on his shoulder in a crowded bar and said "perdonome," next thing you know he is ready to go. Guys, if you must go there, check your ego at the door, and just walk away. You are there on vacation to have fun, no matter how tough we think we are, we are out matched there and it is not worth it. In my cases, the Tico's backed off as did I, a lucky stalemate that could have been disastrous for me. Another thing, security there will side with Tico's, one wanted to even get into it with me, and I was close to taking the bait, he was a big guy but I wanted to nail him. Again, I was smart and sober enough to think better of it. This is not a place to be drunk and stupid. Again, do not get too hammered and watch for pickpockets, the girls will pick your pockets too. Other than this long winded post, it is a sight to see. You will also see a lot of the DR girls there by themselves or mostly with their Tico Novios. Monger with caution, for many, this is their off time, and they are out having fun blowing off steam and don't need the reminder of their job. Plenty will approach you anyway looking for free drinks. And believe me, you will see them back at the DR, especially on a Thurs. night. One hot Nica was dancing and groping some Tico(he actually looked like a good Tico and perhaps they were on a date), and she recognized me from earlier in the DR, so she came up and asked if she could hang out with me all night. I asked about her date, and she was willing to blow him off. He looked liked a good guy, and I didn't want to be the a**hole gringo so I told her another time. I figure we're all guys and we gotta look out for one another. She was hot and unfortunately I never saw her again.

After all this, I'll keep going there, even solo, but being very cautious of my surroundings and the people I am talking to as I would advise any of you to do the same. I travel on business all the time so going out solo is very common for me. So if your situation is different, go in a group.

The pizza is good as is watching everyone dancing reggaeton.

BTW, a Buena Tica would never go to El Pueblo.

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