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Hi guys,

Reading the "Ugly American II" and "Don't be an Asshole," threads, a light went on. During my October trip I took a real cutie out of Sportmens Lodge. We get to my hotel (Castillo) and she requests the money up front. Fine. I don't have a blanket policy of ending the "date," just cause she's nervous about being paid. The thing was, in this situation, I knew I'd have to go into the safe to get the money. To do that I needed the hidden key. So... I wanted her to use the bathroom first. Well... she was really impatient about getting the money. Really impatient. I bet we'd been in the room no more than two minutes when she pretty much demanded it three or four times. Probably if she wasn't so damn cute and hot I'd have called it off because of her attitude. My problem is, once I decide on something, I get a kind of momentum going and find it hard to do an about face. Besides, as I like to go down on the girls I pick - and this girl was FINE (did I mention that?) I can usually turn things around if a session starts out on a wrong note. So, finally, she goes to the bano and I get the money. Then we have sex and it's underwhelming. (At one point she looks behind her - out the window it turns out - while she's stroking me!). At the end of it I asked her: How long she'd in the business (one month); How many men she'd been with in that time (eight); how many had ripped her off (one). AND he was secretly taping her with a camera that was, she said, under a shirt or something. Geesh!

NOW I'm wondering just how fresh that experience had been. Maybe I was the next guy? Maybe she was just unusually nervous because the memory of the experience was so fresh?

After we'd finished I gave her a little talking to. Basically I suggested that it's too early to adopt a money-up-front policy because of this one bad experience. I told her to try to give us the benefit of the doubt. That it isn't part of our fantasy to fly in from the states and Canada and have the girl insist on being paid first; to have the girl averting her eyes (looking at the view out the window!). It was obvious to me even before I asked her (but not right from the start) that she's new to the business. I guess that's the risk we take picking fresh looking ones. There's something to be said for experience eh?

Anyway if this was the girl referred to in "Don't be an asshole," I'd like to say THANKS FOR NOTHING to whoever tried the secret taping. I feel like you owe me a session. (Not with you mind; with another chica).

Timing wise, my encounter would have been October 26th that I chose the girl. Could it have been her? No matter really. ANY girl would be skittish and (justifiably) defensive after such an experience.

By the way I'm not sure it's a good idea to keep the guys ID secret. All we know is he's a "new," member. What does that mean? I have been a member under a year. Does that make me new? Having him unidentified causes us all to wonder "Was it him?" when talking to other members.

Sorry Admin, if I'm opening a can of worms here. I didn't see the original thread before it was locked. Had I I'd have made a request for the guy's identity then.

To anyone that thinks that's maybe too harsh punishment I say it ought to be great incentive for all of us to think before we do something that maybe we shouldn't. This is in keeping with Admins suggestion the we consider what other members would think of what we're doing. It just takes it to the logical conclusion of actually informing said membership of such transgressions.

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Chica Chaser

Guys,



I've been informed with PM that the person's ID was revealed in the thread. I'm sorry guys. I didn't read far enough. I read (I think) two or three pages and, well, with the length of some of the posts, got tired of reading. I should not have assumed that his name would not be revealed. I should have read all the posts before posting. My bad.

Again... Sorry.

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Chica Chaser

Troller.

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Chica Chaser

Guys,



Well I skimmed through the entire "Don't be an Asshole," thread and failed to catch the name of the secret taper. There's just so much to read. Someone please PM me with his ID. More to satisfy my curiosity than anything else. I mean, if/when I am in CR again and meeting members I doubt this guy's going to keep the same ID.

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Chica Chaser

Chica Chaser,

This is incredible too me this whole thing. What are we here for to judge other CRT members or have a good time! WTF if a guy wants to take pics or vids that is his business not a CRT issue period. He has to live with himself. We are not here to form lynching mobs or pass judgment are we??? Look in the mirror bud you think you are Lilly white?? That’s great you wouldn’t do this blah,blah but who are we to judge.. I didn’t really like it but are we any better. Look what you do & I do we go down & find some impoverished girl half our age & take advantage of the situation because many have a baby to feed & need the money & you want to make a judgment about all this???? Most of these girls only give us consent because they have few other options to make this kind of money. Now for me I don’t call that true consent it is conditional at best. You think you are Gentlemen because you help feed her while you help her along with Pelvic Inflammatory Disease, what a nice guy??? If you were a True Gentleman you would help her out without screwing her.

This whole thing about Gentlemen & ladies what a joke, if this isn’t blowing smoke where the sun doesn’t shine WTF! At least I am not totally out of it I hope? I think I know what I am & in my book I am not good enough to be called a true Gentlemen when I am in the gulch. I treat women as a gentlemen acting with mutual respect but lets be honest I am looking to pay some young beauty half my age to do the wild thing. I am not so out of it that I buy impoverished Chicas by the gross & then start thinking these Chicas really like me & I am the latest Don Juan to hit CR & then get so phucked up with my thinking that I start saving them by riding in on my big white horse & start dating or marring one of them believing they really are crazy about me.

If one of you guys here have a daughter I would think you would want her to be with a True Gentlemen & not someone like me who mongers around (basic male slut lets face it). At least I have no delusions who I am. What so funny for me anyway is I still love my slutty little self for who I am! YMMV!

Right Gentlemen & ladies that’s what we are here, what a joke! Let’s be honest. We are sportfuckers at our best when we are in the gulch & they are what they are. We can create an atmosphere of "GENTLEMEN"... & I hope the Chicas ACT as Ladies but it is all just a big ACT too me. If you believe differently you will be used & abused by your own hand is my bet, whether you are willing to look at it honestly or not that is up too you.

You can’t read Plain English???
admin1

Is this to hard for you to understand????

Yeah why don't you bring your daughter down if she is over 18 next time you come to CR & walk in HDR & introduce her to all your gentleman friends you have found. Puts some reality to it doesn't it?? Its a glass house out there be careful!!

Guys, I ran into the same thing with a blonde cutie about 22 from the Blue Marlin on my first trip to CR in October. She wanted paid when we got to the room and I told her if I paid up front she might go to sleep on me. Next she insisted that I put the money on the dresser and I figured if I went to the bathroom she might be out the door with the cash in one hand and her panties in the other. I told Wendy or Tattiana (she gave both) to get dressed. Down came the price but no deal, I was pissed and marched her back to the Del Rey but she chose to hop a cab instead. Her loss, I was green but educated here- just say No to dr*gs and bulls*it! Went back inside and caught another ride.

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Papa Azucar

Warren

My hat is off to you as you handled this like a pro I believe even better maybe since you had that much discipline & balls for not having so much experience. There is a time & place to stand your ground with these Chicas & it is an art that takes time to hone your skill with dealing with them. You could have let her walk all over you or have a lousy time because she ruined the mood & set the stage tipping her hand & giving her game plan away too you. I have done this exactly like you once they change tunes in the room I show them the soft boot because it takes us all of 5 minutes to find a better one if that. All the way out the door I hear the Chica but wait,but,but,but!! We are the payers don’t for get that most important part. I am never rude just punctual about this & believe me the Latinas talk & they tell there friends about who is nice but firm and who is weak & gullible.

A good thing to always remeber these Latinas have very childd like minds & they will test the boundaries & they like guys that are decisive from what I have seen as it gets their attention & earns their respect.

Thanks for the info.

Z,

Love the comments and passion. Totally agree... There's a simple solution to the paying up front... Talk about it casually in the interview.

Most of us are some kind of business men. Do you ever make a deal on a casual aquaintance?

As far as taping, weird shit, etc. As Z put it, act as gentlemen and treat them like ladies. In the interview you can determine if she's into the same kind of things we are. If not, move on to the next.

I've seen too many people go on looks and the "have to have her" because she looks better than 99% of those we see in the states, and end up with a bad experience.

Last month in CR I met a great guy from PA who had to have the hottest one in DL. He came back a half hour later pissed to Christ that she was a clock watcher and wanted the $ up front. It was his 2nd trip. I'm sure when he returns in April (when he gets his tax return) he'll be a lot more patient and do more of an interview process.

All good things C*m in time...

Danno

GUYS we kiled the other thread.. and not because I wanted to start another one along the same lines... Let us NOT I REPEAT NOT Start this over again.. It was locked for a reason.

In my post I stated act as a gentlemen.... I did not single out that you or anyone should be gentlemen as it pertains strictly to working girls or anything of that nature.. but on the scheme of life itself.

For the record.. .the definition of gentlemen per yahoo dictionary




Again nobody & I MEAN NOBODAY can tell anyone what to do or how to act... we think that on a whole conducting yourself in a less abrasive manner will create a more enjoyable atmosphere for your expierience or mabye the monger who follows.

Now if we are going to speak about what happened since and the ramifications etc fine... BUT do not go off on the rights and wrongs again and the moral dilemas etc. or this will be put out to pasture as well.

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Zippy, great post. I didn't know anyone else really shared my point of view.

dapanz1

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Paradise= Sitting outside the Bodega in Panama City about 1 am. Drinking cool Balboas with cool friends and blazin' hot Colombianas. I want to be there..RIGHT NOW!

I'm probably way off base here since I don't have a daughter, but if I were a tico father who had a daughter that was sleeping around all over the place anyway, sure I'd prefer that she didn't. But if she was sleeping around anyway, I'd prefer that she did it with some nice guy who would treat her right, gently and with compassion and sensitivity, take her to dinner occasionally or even buy things for her and her Babi*s, show some concern and emotional support for her situation, etc. even if that were an older gringo that was just a john to her, than some out of work abusive drunkard who would pressure her not to use protection, knock her up and abandon her to fend for herself and turn to prostitution to support herself and her Ch*ld, which is what the realistic alternative is for most of these girls.

OTOH, if that older gringo treated her like just some C*m receptacle to pound away at, pressured her to go bareback f/s, tried to cheat her out of what he agreed to pay her, acted like he was entitled to take sexually graphic pictures of her to show his friends or even post on the internet without her consent or even knowledge or in any other way treated her or referred to her as just some worthless puta-whore then I'd feel that Gringo was no better for her than the worthless tico boyfriend that first knocked her up and put her in that position to begin with.

Hey, we didn't create the situation for them and maybe we are taking some advantage of it, but are we making things worse or better for them in the process? IMHO, I would have to say the latter.

If you look at the definition of gentleman that the Admin provided:
I think that can apply to most of us. One might debate whether others would consider our behavior proper, but we certainly have our standards. Are we going to allow others to define who we are or are we going to try to at least live up to our own standards? If you were to say that we are not gentlemen, that would suggest that we need not have any standards at all, which I think would lead us to fail to be gentlemen by anybodiy's definition.

In reference to Prolijos post above: I don’t see this that far off base at all after all it is the truth in many of these cases but what you are saying to me is just rationalizing what we do which is ok too me & it makes me feel a little better about the overall situation. At least at the end of a day some good has come out of it all I feel as long as both parties have a true happy face about what transpired.

But I have a funny feeling Prolijo if we are truly honest with ourselves, because I have seen men like us with beautiful daughters that they love & protect like nothing else they have ever known. These men are very intune to the wills & ways of this world & what I have seen these men would steer their daughters away from men like us like the plague. Most men like us can not deal with years of this environment we put ourselves in & become consumed by it all. These men are truly worried about the out come of their daughter with men like us since they know all too well what lurks inside themself & don't want their daughters drug down that path.

What you seem to imply is there are only 2 shitty choices here honey come over & play with my older shit because it smells a little better than his but still is not a true solution for you but a better one of the two (How Truly Noble Indeed). I don’t consider that a real gentlemanly thing to do. If one truly wants to help these lovelies make an investment in CR that employees them without ulterior motives directly linked to sex.

The real world is what it is & we will not change it on our own. Especially a guy as slutty as me & this is going too continue as long as men are alive with hard dicks but I just don’t see us pulling our own dicks so hard that we try to make ourselves out to be true Gentlemen at least while we are out playing in the Gulch. It is my belief this is the type of delusional thinking that takes you down the really dangerous paths of deceiving yourself.

Prolijo



I see this as yes we have some standards (thank you God) but they are not high enough to be in the same category as True gentleman. For me when we are in our favorite play pen in the Gulch we become more along the lines of most of our Lovely Politicians & attorneys I know. The Gulch is truly a snake pit full of Vipers & Venoms that can be highly neurotoxic as well as hemotoxic. Make sure you always carry inside your mind enough antivenom to handle all the bites!!!

I am not trying to say at all that we are horrible men at all as we do all help in our little seedy own ways but let me just say I don't believe I am by any stretch of the imagination some Gentleman GEM!

PS Chica Chaser please don't take any of my post personal it is not meant to be that but sometimes I believe we forget the house we live in I know for one I have. Sorry WE AIN'T NO GENTLEMAN GEMS!

Ahem, back to the original post...

Chica Chaser... to answer your questions, YES, the girl in my story on the "Don't be an Asshole" thread and the girl in your original post here are one and the same. I think it would be best to not mention her name, however, to respect her privacy among other reasons.

The incident happened the night of Oct 20, Saturday night, either during or after the party that Redman put together at the Sportsmans. So yeah, it was most likely still VERY fresh on her mind when you sessioned with her.

In terms of revealing the person... there's no reason for it. I told a story as a learning point at the beginning of my thread, with no intents of pointing fingers or "outing" someone. But if you can read between the lines carefully that whole thread, that person pretty much revealed himself all on his own.

Oh, and the guy pm's me and makes a veiled threat at me... I guess those who are in town during Superbowl will be privy to a nice little tet a tet between the two of us... Tickets go on sale two weeks prior at your nearest Ticketmaster outlet. This event will NOT be broadcast as it will NOT be recorded... well, then again, maybe it will be, but the camera will be well hidden and covered with clothing... maybe this time with the red 'RECORD' light covered up so as to make it less obvious...

I'm not only a Sexy Bitch, but I'm a witty mo'fo' too...

And I'm quaking in my boots.



Ruffnutz

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The best adivce is DO NOT PAY UPFRONT !! I only had 1 chica walk out because I balked to pay in advance. If you will assure them they will be paid and they still want the money then you can pretty well be assured the session will be a dud.

I agree that it serves no purpose to publicize this guys name other than to satisfy our morbid curiousity and to embarass him further. But I don't see what he has to complain about if we do. Be a man and take responsibility for your actions or at least accept the consequences. If he's that embarassed about his fellow mongers finding out about what he should have thought about that before he did what he did. He doesn't like the idea that he has no control over other people hearing about what happened and his actions. Well maybe then he can understand a little better how this chica might not appreciate a similar loss of control over what she did in that room possibly being revealed to other people as well. At least in her case she did nothing to deserve what happened.