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Author:  Goal [ Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:17 pm ]
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From AOL News:

When the makers of Dove created the Real Women Have Real Curves campaign, they shot everyday women in their undies to tout realistic body images -- curves and all.

Fuller Figures in Fashion
Instead of svelte runway models, the women of the Dove ads range from size 6 to 12. According to government statistics, the average American woman stands 5'4" and weighs 150 pounds. From CoverGirl Queen Latifah to changing attitudes at teen magazines, media may be adjusting its approach to target savvy female consumers looking for attainable images of weight and beauty.

The real-sizes trend has also raised the question, "what is fit?" Nike flaunts thunder thighs and curvy bottoms in its latest campaign, and on VH1's 'Celebrity Fit Club,' plus-size model Toccara says she loves her curves, and believes at size 14 she's "in shape." A recent study may support her claim. Researchers found that people who were moderately overweight actually had a lower risk of death than people of normal-weight. It may be a matter of how you feel, more than how you look. As Dove model Gina Crisanti told People Magazine, "I'm making the most of what I've got. This is how my body looks when it's healthy."

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Mixed among the pages of dazzling celebrities and rail-thin models that dominate fashion and teen magazines is a surprising sight: young women with thick thighs and flabby abs.

In Seventeen, Teen People, CosmoGirl! and Teen Vogue are bathing suit sections partly illustrated by less-than-perfect figures and tips on maximizing assets and minimizing defects.

Editors say they are using more average women and fewer models to reflect changing body types and to help self-conscious teens see that not everyone is perfect.

"It's not going to help my reader if we only show girls who are size 6's," said Atoosa Rubenstein, editor of Seventeen magazine. "Everyone is beautiful, it's just a matter of confidence, and we try to show that."

Teen People recently featured a story about Brittany Harper, a plus-sized 20-year-old who has competed in and won several beauty pageants against average-sized girls in North Carolina and currently holds the USA Eastern Miss title. Harper, from Goldsboro, N.C., said she's pleased to see more overweight women in magazines.

"I think maybe seeing someone like me in a magazine makes you realize that you don't have to be skinny to be pretty," she said. "People see skinny girls in magazines and they think that's what normal is when it's not the case."

Harper said she started entering the pageants because she was shy and self-conscious but now she's happy with her body.

In May 2004, Glamour Magazine broke a barrier of sorts by putting the sizable Queen Latifah on the cover. It outsold the May 2003 cover which featured svelte actresses Halle Berry and Rebecca Romijn.

Dove recently started an ad campaign featuring "real" women _ ranging from size 6 to 14 _ that shows them wearing only bras, panties and big smiles on billboards, bus stops and trains in Chicago, New York, and other cities. The ads are designed to sell products from Dove's firming collection _ lotions and creams meant to reduce the appearance of cellulite.

Rubenstein, who joined Seventeen two years ago after launching CosmoGirl!, said her priority has been to reflect the population. She said most of the girls in the style and beauty sections are not models, and variety helps illustrate cosmetics for different body and skin types. The magazine shows five skin tones now to reflect different ethnic groups.

"If you were a South Asian girl, you would have thought you didn't exist in this country if you looked at magazines," Rubenstein said. "Indian girls, girls from all over were just being neglected."

Seventeen's casting director chooses girls in malls, on the street, and anywhere she can find them for beauty and fitness sections. The magazine has increased newsstand sales by 17 percent in the past two years.

"It doesn't make good business sense to stay the same," Rubenstein said. "Girls today have so many different role models they wouldn't stand for it if they only saw the same thing every time they looked at Seventeen."

Jane Keltner, fashion news editor at Teen Vogue, said it's inspirational for girls to see how their peers are dressing.

"We try to use all shapes and sizes, but we're especially interested in their sense of personal expression and style," Keltner said.

Teen Vogue picks non-models for snapshot portraits highlighting individual styles, and also showcases cool bedrooms. The back-to-school issues followed girls in Boston and Dallas as they shopped for clothes and school supplies.

Emily Weiss, 20, was chosen to go thrift shopping with the magazine in her hometown of Wilton, Conn. She is thin and pretty, but said she was chosen because of her individual style.

"Women's magazines are fantastical and highly stylized," she said. "For a magazine to incorporate real fashion from real people off the street is important."

Experts are lauding the shift, but say the industry still puts too much pressure on girls to be thin and conventionally beautiful. And there's no question magazines are still putting thin, beautiful celebrities on their covers.

Mary Pipher, author of a book about teen girls and body image, "Reviving Ophelia," says anything that shows realistic women is a step in the right direction to help girls gain self-esteem. She argues in her books that teens are defined and pressured by the need to be beautiful.

"Presenting a broader range of beauty, even if it's under the guise of selling cosmetics, gives girls more permission to think they too are attractive," she said. "The ideal message is you're great just the way you are and you don't have to spend any money, but of course they need to sell magazines."

Jean Kilbourne, creator of the "Killing Us Softly" educational film series shown in schools, has been tracking the influence of media on women for the past 30 years. She says the pressure has never been worse.

"The ideal is more impossible than ever before," she said. "Technology now makes it possible to take a human being and make her flawless by using digital alteration, whittling down her thighs, whatever needs to be done."

Kilbourne said the international obsession with celebrities also adds to the pressure, making girls believe they should be able to look like Jennifer Aniston or Julia Roberts.

"Showing real girls is just great sociologically," she said. "Not only does it make more sense to show how a bathing suit will transform a person's body by using a real body, but it makes women feel like they aren't alone out there, that they are beautiful too."
Author:  Orange [ Mon Aug 29, 2005 11:04 pm ]
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Great, that's all they need, encouragement (to be fat).

-Orange
Author:  SparkChaser69 [ Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:51 am ]
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I just hate looking at all those "unfit" colombianas :twisted:
Sparky
Author:  Bilko [ Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:58 am ]
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First of all, let me say that I LIKE spinners. Having said that, I saw some of the ads in question and I found them a lot sexier than the professional models that usually do such things. Most of these women weren't 'fat' by my standards. They aren't slim, but most of them looked pretty good to me. I'll worry when celulite becomes 'fashionable.' Till then, I don't think showing a few average-shaped women is going to encourage women to eat more. I don't think the average gringa needs any encouragement on that account. All the Kate Mosses of the world haven't kept them thin so far, so I doubt this ad campain will change much.

I like the ads and thought most of the women looked pretty appealing. My 2 Colones.
Author:  Crwnncoke [ Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:46 pm ]
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I totally agree with Bilko. My number one preference is spinners (they are thin but small overall so it does not seem out of proportion). However, I too find the new ads with 'regular' women somewhat sensual. It adds a sense of reality to the ads rather than seeing the sick looking models that have been used in the past.
Author:  Right Hand Man [ Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:20 pm ]
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Welcome to America, Land of the Victims and Home of the Grazing.

Travel the world and you'll come to this conclusion: Americans are fat. Instead of facing issues like laziness, over-eating, over-drinking; the media carries the torch that it's not the individual's fault. Maybe these women have the "fat" gene. We all make choices, and the results eventually show up.

Put down the twinkie lady, only dinosaurs are big-boned. You're just fat.

Phew, glad to get that off my chest...
Author:  Dave [ Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:34 pm ]
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[quote="Right Hand Man"]Travel the world and you'll come to this conclusion: Americans are fat. Instead of facing issues like laziness, over-eating, over-drinking; the media carries the torch that it's not the individual's fault. Maybe these women have the "fat" gene. We all make choices, and the results evenutally show up.

Put down the twinkie lady, only dinosaurs are big-boned. You're just fat. /quote]

Boy, I agree with you. These ladies just don't get that it is there fault. I am so glad that my brotherhood of men get it and take care not to be lazy, over-drink, over eat and just totally let their body go to hell. It is great that we see couples constantly around us where the male is in great shape and the female has just let herself go. You would think that these American ladies would learn. Oh wait, they probably have had Babi*s. Doesn't that change the body chemistry? But, we American men don't have that excuse. I wonder what our excuse is.

Please tell me why this is a female only problem and what our excuse is for losing our "curves" as we age.

Have a Great Day,

Dave
Author:  Right Hand Man [ Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:00 pm ]
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Taking care of the goose that lays the golden eggs is a lifestyle. I have been exercising regularly for over 20 years. I watch my alcohol consumption and caloric intake. Being in shape has no downsides. Plus it makes it easier for the chicas to dig the session. We don't pick the gorditas do we?

If an individual male or female lets the body go, it's no ones fault but his/her own.

Because I live in America, obesity and poor health of others does affect me. I pay more for health insurance and my tax money goes to medicare and medicaid to pay for obesity related illness.

Sometimes I even have to share my airplane seat with someone else's love handles.

Attention: Put the fork down and back away from the table! :twisted:

Damn, I just need to shut the hell up...

RHM
Author:  Dave [ Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:21 pm ]
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Right Hand Man wrote:
Put down the twinkie lady, only dinosaurs are big-boned. You're just fat.


RHM,

You are to be congratulated for keeping in shape. Also, for putting the blame on both the male and female. Guess you were being politically correct on a male dominated board with the line above. Surely, you don't want to call anyone here fat.

As far as "we don't pick the gorditas, do we?", the answer would be no which is the same answer for a female probably. Do you think that they pick the gorditos?

Have a Great Day,

Dave
Author:  Bilko [ Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:00 pm ]
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uh, nevermind
Author:  Tman [ Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:27 pm ]
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Ever wonder why so many fat rich men are surrounded by beautiful skinny women or married to them? 8) How often does it work the other way around? More often than you think. Men can be "prostituted" also...
Author:  GetRhythm [ Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:40 pm ]
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I'll tell you what - I would go for a roll in the hay with any of those women in the Dove ads at the drop of a hat. If only a quarter of the women I see on a daily basis were in that good of shape...

I think many women in our culture wrongly assume that physical attractiveness to men requires adherence to some sort of semi-anorexic Nicole Ritchie/Lindsey Lohan standard. Just give me someone who looks healthy and fit - that'll do just fine, thank you.
Author:  Right Hand Man [ Wed Aug 31, 2005 1:36 pm ]
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I took a look at the pics and consider those girls athletically thick. Not fat. I hope the "Dove Girls" are gonna tour like the Miss Budweiser Girls.

I'd do 'em too, but would you pay CIEN/HORA for any of them? :twisted:

Fat girls are like mopeds... they're fun but you don't want your buddys to catch you riding one.
Author:  Rolex [ Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:40 pm ]
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"Fat bottom girls you make the rockin' world go round."

(Ironically, penned by Freddie Mercury, the notoriously gay lead singer of a band named, "Queen." What does he know, right?)

I personally like the curves, as long as it's tight, and not sloppy.
Author:  Bilko [ Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:15 pm ]
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I believe Freddie was bi. He left lots of money to an ex-gf if memory serves.
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