www.CostaRicaTicas.com

I'm not going to bore you with the details of my research and experimentation over the last 15 years. But needless to say, I've tried everything from being the poor artist/student type, to living in a high rise, high rent apartment, wearing a Rolex and driving a beautiful black BMW and everything in-between to see what works best in picking up women.

I've tried taking them to fancy restaurants, spending money, trips, etc...

I've done elaborate set ups and simple routines.

Let me tell you: None of this shit makes a qualitative difference. I was getting as much or more pu*sy taking them to a cheap $15 Mexican restaurant and then back to my little shit hole $500 a month apartment above a retail shop in a working class area than I was when I was living in the expensive loft-apartment with all the accutrements. Which to me says: Success with Gringas (or getting pu*sy, anyway) has nothing to do with money and everything to do with your "game."

A big part of having "game" is to acquire a Zen-like disattachment from the end result. Don't push it or try to make it happen. Just be in the moment and don't give a shit if your score or not. They sense this-- I don't know how. Don't treat 'em particularly special. Any more so than a platonic female friend. The less you give a damn, the more they WANT.

And those who don't respond to this approach (which is imbedded in human nature) are a clear indication to you that they are COMPLETELY INTO THEMSELVES and have no concern for you or your well-being. NEXT.

Here's the key to success:

First date: Meet 'em for coffee. Get there early and be drinking yours when she arrives so that she has to go up to the counter and buy her own damn coffee.

Second date: Make it late, like 8:30 (so you don't have to pay for dinner) and invite her over to your house for a bottle of wine and because you want her to meet your dog. Or show her some pictures of your trip to Istanbul. Buy cheap wine. Nothing more than $12 a bottle, at most. If she balks about going over to your house, or gives you a rap about the "Rules" or any of that crap, then NEXT HER and move on to the girl you've got lined up for tomorrow night.

If you get her to agree to come to your place on the second date, but you haven't gotten some action by the end of the night, then you're going to have to work too hard for this chick. NEXT.

Remember: It's a number's game.

This is a good strategy that has worked consistently for me, and saved me a lot of time and money. And it filters out the girls who are headcases or require too much work.

Of course, the downside is that it is dependent upon getting a large enough quantity of women into your "filter" to move through, which can require some marketing efforts -- which I'll save for another post.

Regardless-- Even though I found a cheap system that works-- I'm in agreement with y'all that Gringas are a pain in the ass, once you get past the initial "score" and move into the relationship territory. That's why I moved here to CR.

Rolex....
I totally agree.... the eager man gets nothing....

It is tricky to mix this "indifference" with the approach that you DO indeed want to get laid... being flirty but not pressing it seems to help... Sometimes I make myself sick tho, because even tho the girls I bring home etc are at least a 7 on up, I know that I wouldn't give these dumbass gringas the time of day... if it weren't for that damned sex drive of mine... and it seems many times they need to feel that I dont JUST want sex... and if I do manage to convey that, I am a lying SOB... OF COURSE I just want sex. (if I want meaningful conversation I will talk to the FELLAS) ... they know it but they lie to themselves easy enough so it isn't hard to accomplish.... especially after some of that cheap wine I buy it in a box because I think it is funny as sh*t that I have that cheap-ass stuff.... I like it tho, and after a glass or so I am on my way....
many times, the girl just wants sex too, and not a lot of bullshit. That puts us both on the same page, and is an ideal setting for a pleasant night (especially if they don't run their mouth too much) I have one girl like this now who is a total MILF and has the best oral skills I have ever encountered... straight booty calls, asks for nothing... and gets it!
So, do tell, Rolex... your flow for filling the pipeline with females... whence does it come.... I have my tricks but they don't involve clubs / bars much.... and how can a guy stranded in Denver find latinas without going to the phucking hood.... any of you guys have good tricks for finding latinas?

King Solomon

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Finding Latinas shouldn't be too hard in Denver, Try waitresses in Mexican or South/Central American restaurants. Also girls working in Grocery stores, in Latino neighborhoods, one of the HOTTEST Latinas I ever experienced was a checker in a Fiesta store in Houston.
These chicks don't think they are too good to talk to a stranger, and they are used to being helpful, and usually HORNY!!!

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Sounds like Rolex and Kingsolomon are describing Leykis 101, and R. Don Steele's "The Right Attitude" (steelballs.com) approach.

Steele's "String of Pearls", so you don't appear LDH (lonely, desperate, horny), LIHDMIH (let it happen, don't make it happen).

Leykis's cheap dates, late night drinks (so you don't have to buy 'em dinner), booty calls, and "3 strikes she's out".

Strange thing for me is, when I'm just back from CR is when my game is strongest, and I know I should go out, hit the shops and restaurants and fill up the pipeline for future consumption, because that's about the only time I am utterly indifferent. I just don't feel like it as much, until I see someone I like.

Fun part about CR is, I can move into the personal space of some 22-yr old "princess" here, ready to dis me in a heartbeat, say what I feel like, and think, privately, while not particularly caring what reaction she comes back with: "I just had my hands all over a body just like yours, three days ago."

It's still a long climb up Gringa Mountain, but it's been done, and, once the shell is cracked, it might be a sweet view from the top...

Actually, a little bit of Ross Jeffries, a lot of Kenny Gordon's "KenXtions" -- which I'm not sure is still available (possibly on e-bay)... a big dose of Cialdini's "Persuasion" and a lot of trial and error.

Internet dating on Match.com is a godsend for testing different approaches. But it also ends up being a lot of work. As are regular walk ups.

I guess it's true-- you pay for it, one way or the other. In time or in money.

Hey Diego,

Could you shed some light... how can I read up on Leykis and R. Don Steele... I have heard of them and am curious... I don't know more than vague reference... if you have any links can you post them on this thread?
Thanks Diego
KS

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Soitenly!

http://www.steelballs.com/

and

http://www.blowmeuptom.com/

My signal moment today was at the video store, and finding just the right distance to unobnoxiously trail a young hottie (17?) around various movie categories ("showing mild interest", "invade personal space, then move away") and after I'd forgotten her while checking out my discs, she managed to pass me going opposite ways through the detectors, looked up, and gave me that Mona Lisa smile, dialed up a couple notches or so. Perfect!

Don Steele's main contention is that, though only about 15% of young American women would consider an affair with an older man, you can weed out the non-contenders, focus on contact with the candidates, and radiate, then communicate, the idea that "you would really enjoy being with me."

Yeah, I still got that D.R. magic, all over me. (DR magic is mixing and mingling, surveying, interviewing, finding chicas to laugh and fun with, the knowing you could have any one, but moving away from my dislikes, and confidently toward my likes. -- HEY! Isn't that what women get to do -- ALL THE TIME??? The invisible dance of attraction...)

This is a fun thread. Check out a link from one of those pages.

Date a gringa sure, but never marry one...

http://www.teenhollywood.com/d.asp?r=98099&cat=1055

Rolex wrote:

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This is a great post and brings back many good memories to me. I think I naturally gravitated to the style Rolex describes when I was young and unmarried, and I believe that I had more than my share. I noted the above quote as it makes me think that Rolex started his 'active years' only 15 years ago. That would mean he's still a young guy, or as I would say, a lucky F***

Fifteen years ago I crossed the big 4-0 line. And I still had something going I guess, because I was still getting my share of good clean fun I ended up marrying a woman 10 years younger than me, she 30, me 40. And it was true, money must not have been that important because I didn't have any. And she was not only young, but could turn heads everywhere she went. And at home, anything went. I was living a great life on a low budget.

Fast forward another 15 years> Now we're divorced. I do a lot better financially than I used to, but I sure as hell am not getting the romantic opportunities that came so easily 15 or 30 years ago. Of course, back then my playmates were typically my age, with the one I married one of the youngest of my special friends. The point is that even when I was 40 there was plenty of action, women in their thirties who often required little more than a beer or an inexpensive dinner. I found, and it may sound corny, but most of them just wanted someone who would listen to them.

I think that Rolex's formula might still work for me, probably more than I wanted if I were to stick with women in my own age group. This is where it kind of falls apart for me. I'm 55 now, and with the exception of my now ex, who is 45 but could still pass for a 30 something, especially undressed, I don't think I've been with any other women over 40.

Admittedly, there are probably some pretty hot 40 something gringas, 50 something....I don't want to think about it. But I can't seem to find enough do-able 40 somethings in my day to day life. I look for opportunities as I go about my normal routines. I've been able to strike up conversations in all kinds of places, the grocery store being one of the best. Sometimes the conversation goes really well, and I'll be thinking I've hit the mother lode , and then she'll mention the deal killer, her husband.

I think most guys who have a decent relationship with a wife who cares enough about the relationship to take care of herself and is still attractive into her 40's, if the husband is smart and they get along, he's treating her right and hanging on to her. Because, if he sees what I see, the pickings are slim if you go looking for an attractive, congenial 40 something gringa. AND, divorce can be very costly.

Many have let themselves go. Now, I live in a rural area, so this may be different in a more urban setting. What do the rest of you see around you? Do you see a lot of lust generating 40 something gringas? Also, most of the 40 somethings that are available probably have some luggage, perhaps bitterness from a divorce. Have you ever had a divorced gringa tell you that it was her fault and that she got a fair deal?

Whatever, CR is still a great way to pass the time until that special gringa comes along

Pura Vida Amigos!
JJ

Very interesting thread guys. Having now acquired the Latin agenda by living here, it sure does help put gringa dating in perspective. Just one area of this where I might differ or have a little different angle.

Maybe it's just MY style or something, but the most successful "gringa" relationships I have had were based on smooth conversation. Most women are looking for that...and "the rap" in my opinion is the most important weapon you have...especially if you aren't in your 20s anymore and dont look like one of todays heartthrob actors. I always judged my potential with a woman by how she reacted to my rap, sense of humor, and flirtation. I have to say my flirtation has become much more direct since living outside the USA...and it seems to work better that way. You cut through the BS, and know sooner than later what you can expect.

Sure, the macho, me Tarzan you Jane routine can work for some guys...but most of us I believe will get further with some smooth talk. I have noticed that works for the Latinos hitting on the gringas...they smile and talk...even with the girls not knowing what they're saying...but with their direct approach they get further with gringas than most gringos do...at least sooner .

Of course, I really dont pursue gringas anymore unless I'm in "the desert" ...

"Give me 15 minutes to talk away my ugly face, and I will BED the Queen of France." -- Votaire.

Will post more on this subject, when not working.

There is so much in this thread to respond to that it is hard to know where to begin, so I'll just work my way down through the posts.I'm not sure if that is completely true. Its best to have both. Failing that you have to have one or the other. Having good "game" can make up for not having much money, but, to a somewhat lesser extent, the opposite is also true (if you have enough of it). However, if you had to have one or the other, I'd go for the "game", since it takes an awful lot of money to impress most gringas, particularly if you are totally lacking in "game". Besides, the gringas you are likely to attract with just money are usually not the ones you really want to in the end.

The problem for most guys is that it is easier to get more money than it is to acquire "game". Sure you can work on your game and even improve it, but for the most part you either have it or you don't. As for money, while it may be harder to acquire enough to make up for any lack of "game" when it comes to the gringas, the same is not true when it comes to impressing the latinas from poor countries like CR. When you really get down to it, this is why we travel to CR. It is the easiest route for many of us to take. Easier than working our asses off to make enough to impress any gringa and easier than learning how to be charming.

More to come....

I also totally agree about the detachment indifference thing. Have you ever noticed that you tend to meet more girls, detect more positive vibe, etc. when you're not even looking. It kills me that I usually pick up on this when I'm already with another woman (a date or significant other). Maybe its also partially due to the fact that being with another woman demonstrates my inherent attractiveness to the opposite sex or that it makes me safe and unavailable? Who knows? The unfortunate thing is that in such situations there is not much you can do about it without pissing your present date off. Of course, if you were to run into these same chicks while you were alone they may not even give you the time of day.

Anyway, I digress. The comment I really wanted to add here is that this approach is what I like to call "cocky, funny". I got this from some wierd e-mail newsletter I somehow got on. There are all sorts of "how to pick up women" strategies out there and many are probably similar to this.

Basically, you approach woman as though you just don't care and you don't because you remember that if they don't respond you'll just move on to someone else who does. Like Rolex said, its a numbers game. The problem for most of us is that we get easily discouraged after we've been shot down a dozen or more times. Go figure. Its just human nature. The result is that we pick up an aura of defeatism that exacerbates the problem. Interestingly, we would never have this aura while we were with someone else, which may be yet another reason why women seem to respond more favorably to us at those times. What we have going for us here is that when we go out on dates in the states we can always remember in the back of our heads that we have a guaranteed fallback in CR and we can use that to be more confident. This is the cocky part.

The second part is the funny part (the flirty part that King referred to). How many of us at times use self-deprecating humor (making fun of ourselves)? DON'T! It may get a laugh but it is at our own expense. In some cases it is just a nervous response to our own insecurities, in other cases it is a sign of comfort with our own imperfections. But in neither case is it something we want to highlight with a woman we are trying to pick up. Instead, you make fun of THEM. What, you say, insult the girl that you're trying to pick up?!? Call it teasing. The important thing is to do it all jokingly and goodnaturedly (with a smile and a laugh). Teasing the girl does 2 things. First, it knocks a girl that may be slightly full of herself or that thinks she is too good for you down a few notches. Secondly, it tells her that you don't think she's all that and don't really care.

Doing all this makes you seem in some way unavailable and intriguing. Who is this guy who is talking to me and seems to want me but also is making fun of me as though to say he doesn't care? How can I reject him when he somehow has already rejected me? I've got to prove to him that I'm not really so bad or so silly or whatever. You've become strangely unavailable and she comes after you. This is almost as good as having another date along with you. Better, because you don't actually have the date to stand in your way.

At the risk of sounding gay, I've often said that the perfect woman for me would be one with the body of a venus and the mind of a guy. I don't know if I buy the idea that one can never have a meaningful conversation with a woman. There are intelligent and interesting women out there (just not necessarily the ones wth the bodies of a venus). I've known women that I've really enjoyed talking with and doing things with, but not nearly as often ones that I was ALSO attracted to, was attracted to me or was available. However when you get down to it, MUCH more often, we're going to have more in common with other guys - similar interests, similar viewpoints. After all, aren't we all from the same planet (Mars) and women from another (Venus). I'm sure women with the combination I like are still out there. The problem for most of us is that we look in the wrong places. How can we try to pick up girls that are young enough to be our daughters and then be surprised when we have nothing in common with them to discuss other than our (hopefully mutual) physical attraction? How can we focus only on hot women and then be surprised that they have not similarly developed their personalities? The hotter they are the more the can rely on their looks to catch a man, after all we all fell for it. How can we complain about not being able to have meaningful conversations with a gringa and then travel to CR where we have thoroughly meaningless conversations with poor uneducated young hookers? I know we do it for the sex, but it kinda makes you think, doesn't it?

Pick-up Theories such as these have been around in various but very similar forms since probably long before any of us were even dating. Theres nothing really new or groundbreaking here. The big difference now is that it is easier for some people to pitch their overpriced books to desperate guys over the internet. Most of it comes down to common sense anyway and the rest of it may work for some guys but not others.

Personally, I've never bothered to do that much research. Its too much work reading through all the BS. I don't know about all the others, but isn't Leykis that misogynistic jerk on the radio out in LA that thinks that there are all sorts of women out there plotting to get knocked up by you so they can marry you, have your K*D, divorce you down the road and take all your money? That may or not be true, but I'm pretty sure having an attitude like that or viewing women only as objects to be
"played" so I can get into their panties is not the healthiest viewpoint either. These guys may manage to get laid a lot (being a radio star certainly helps too) but I really don't want to model myself after one of them.

And that is exactly the problem with most of these pick-up theories. There's to much emphasis on working your game and being someone you're not when the real key is to internalize the attitudes and just be yourself. Sure you can work on your "game" a little, your approach and the style around the edges, but you still need to be yourself. If thats not good enough for them, then you need to look elsewhere or you have a real problem anyway.

When you get done with any expense you paid out for dating-tip books, dating sites, buying hundreds of one dollar drinks for long streams of female bed-candidates, not to mention the time to study the materials, makeover your entire personality, practice your technique, scout out female candidates to fill your "pipeline", go down blind allies, etc. all for the chance to have a superficial sexual relationship for a month or two with some gullible bimbo, it hardly seems worth it. As Rolex said "you pay for it, one way or the other. In time or in money." For all that effort you might as well just move down to CR.