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Can somebody please explain to me why it's even an issue if the working chicas know about this board or not?

I mean... it's not like we've got trade secrets. What are they going to find out? That there's a conspiracy to not pay CIEN? And then what are they going to do?

Nobody uses their real name, anyway.

I think worrying about whether the chicas know about the board or not is a non-issue. In fact, I view this site as more of a "Consumer Reports" of CRT's. Let the manufacturers of the products read it and weep, worry and offer a better product to the consumer because of the reviews.

Feel free to move this to the VIP section if necessary.
- Rolex.

U know, I have to admit that I was in the Zona Blue when June 1 rolled around. I saw Melanie's pic as tica of the month on the home page and I immediately waved her over to congratulate her. I showed her the three pics of her and she asked if I could translate the paragraph about her. After doing a quick glance-through to make sure it was all in good taste, I did so and she smiled and was happy. I congratulated her again and then told her she can go back to sit down.

Morale of my story though is that it's an issue depending on who you are talking about...

ZB girls generally like the fact that we put pics up of them and review them, as they see the business benefits of testimonials from other customers and pics for all of us to drool and fantasize over. One chica practically begged me to take a pic for CRT, but I didn't have my camera on me at the time.

On the other hand, CRT is not considered a good thing in certain places, particularly among the girls of DR/KL. A new friend of mine from my recent trip had a CRT shirt on one day, and he mentioned to me how he received a few snide comments and dirty looks.

But to get to your point, TxRolex, for those girls that have an issue about the board, it's mainly because they are worried about who else may be reading the board as well, their friends, their family, etc. Believe it or not, there are some girls that keep their occupation a secret from their friends and family. Sure, they use aliases (most of them), but they still worry and would rather not run any risk. It's an issue of having one's privacy respected. Can anyone argue with that?

I really got close with one dancer this past trip, and when she opened up to me, she started crying and was so furious about how members of the board were so graphic about their experiences with her. She felt betrayed by those customers... she now knows that her staff and bosses and friends AND FAMILY know what kind of a gal she is in the sack with strangers. Some will scoff and say, "well if she's a prostitute, then what's the issue what anyone knows, she SCREWS FOR MONEY!" ... I kinda see that too, but at the end of the day, the chicas have feelings, and their self-respect and self esteem is already in the gutter because of what they do... it's the "don't kiss and tell" factor that pretty much every and any girl would expect from a gentleman. A girl who gave you her body and her most personal gift, whatever the price, is finally really made to feel like a whore when she sees every detail and act put in writing for the world to see. There's a line we must each draw somewhere that differenciates us as being either gentlemen or ogres when writing about the chicas.

I am honestly on the fence on this issue, but am leaning on giving the chicas reason on this... and my details on future reports will be a little less detailed than before when it relates to the chicas I have a soft spot in my heart for. To be honest, my reports are just as much, if not more for me than anyone else... it's a journal, a recount of my adventures that I can pull up at any time to reminisce and smile. BUT... now that I know that my actions may hurt others, I will avoid to be the potential cause of pain or shame to my special honey-bunnies.

One thing I am doing, which I recommend to everybody for the sake of preserving a clear conscience, is to simply ask the chica if they would mind if you wrote about her on a website. Details of what website should be irrelevant, and usually are... a girl who is going to say no will usually say HELL NO pretty immediately, without a single care of what website u are talking about. Those that don't mind or don't care or see the marketing and business benefits of a good review or a pic posting will be pretty open to your request very easily. I did that this trip and am very sure of who I will be detailed about and who I will maintain as an experience only I will have to know and remember in my own head and heart.

Ruffnutz

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"A girl who gave you her body and her most personal gift..."

What... her most personal gift... for $40? No disrespect... but gimme a break!

It's sex for money. It's like you paying me to give you a foot massage.

Many of these girl's families know what they do for a living, and the ones that don't, just don't happen to be trolling around the internet looking at monger sites.

I generally like your posts, but your logic on this one is conflicted, my friend.

- Rolex.

Am with Texasrolex on this one. Most girls families (that I have met) know exactly what their little girl does for a living. In a lot of cases mom did it also. The stigma is not what you are use to in the US.

Most girls families do not have computers and do not know how to navigate the internet. There chances of stumbling onto the little bad secret is almost nil.

Think your dancer friends tears were of the crocodile variety.

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Rolex,

Thanks for your open and honest assessment of my post. I think this forum works great when disagreements come up and are addressed RESPECTFULLY. I take your criticism well on this issue, as I do feel conflicted myself.

Maybe my wording is a little dramatic, but I really feel that as a woman, they are giving their most personal part of themselves to each customer (sex and their bodies). And atleast on their end, it's NOT like giving a foot massage:

Foot masages do not carry deep religious values, carry life threatening risks, and can potentially corrupt your image, reputation, status, etc. Not to mention the psychological and emotional affect that profession carries.

I think the amount we pay for it is irrelevant. There are some out there that feel as I do and may feel some guilt for the "behind the scenes" aspects and realities of mongering hobbies, others think it's pathetic to haggle over prices considering what you are getting in return, some feel it's nobler or better to try to do the GFE/BFE experience as opposed to just taking a girl for a quick nut-bustin' and moving on..... others take all that for granted, or don't care, figuring that the chica is doing what she chose to do and that's that. Others just simply want to get laid and that's that. Neither side can be accused of being totally wrong or totally right.

My past post just shows that I am on the fence on how I feel regarding these things. Do I recognize that all the chicas had a choice on what they do? Yes, of course, but that doesn't change my feeling sensitive to their situations. Will this deter me from my mongering habits? No, of course not, but once again, my approach and way of doing things may be a little different than others, and I will go with what works for me, both in my head and heart, as well as what works best for me with the chicas and how I connect with them and get the unique kind of experience I am in search of. I'm not going to justify my ways, I truly believe that in this hobby, to each his own.

Back to the subject of whether it's a big deal about chicas reading the board, one can either try to be sensitive to the chicas' feelings or they can consider their feelings and/or wishes unimportant in this equation. Each man rides their own wave on this issue and acts accordingly, and no one should be labeled as being wrong based on their decision.

Ruffnutz

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Texas..with all due respect, I strongly disagree with your critique of Ruff's comments. To discount the feelings of the women's experinces in this game we all love is to discount what makes it so poweful for many of us (i.e, why so many guys like GFE, or GFE fantasy, as it has been called). It is the fact that feelinngs occur for them and for some of us in spite of the nature of the transaction, that is what makes it so incredible. Yes, the girls families know what they do, yes, they are prostitutes. And I am not sure where I fall on this issue. I mean, I post fairly grafically, and certainly have valued from the information, and will continue to do so. Yet, I think it is folley to discregard the feelings of the girls.

Yes, they are giving us the gift of their bodies..this is fact..regardless of hoe much we do or do not pay them..

Now, if you disagree, fine. Lets be gentlemen here, right?

Psychman

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I am completely with Ruffnutz on this. There is an element of privacy in what goes on, or there should be.

Yes, yes... we're all friends, here. I haven't taken anyone's post disrespectfully. Just a difference of opinions, that is all. That's what makes these discussion forums fun!

I didn't mean my post to be a criticism of your viewpoint. Only a criticism of the logic behind it.

From my standpoint, the John (us) are the ones who are watching a film. A deeply moving film. But a film in which she is the actress.

Now-- does an actress express feelings when she's acting? Yes. But at the end of the day, when the film shoot is over and the actress isn't getting paid anymore-- those feelings are put into a little box and thrown away-- and she goes back to her real life and perhaps on to the next movie production. An actress doesn't become emotionally attached to the fantasy-- she's only paid to create it.

You, on the other hand, may remember that movie with deep emotional attachments for the rest of your life. It's your fantasy, and even stronger than watching a moive. Nothing wrong with that. As long as you realize it.

Just for me personally-- when I know that the feelings end when the money ends-- I'm unable to take it as real. All the "I love you's" ... it's just an act and that's all it's ever going to be.

As far as her feelings are concerned about being talked about on this board-- Look: Should Jenna Jameson care what some schmucks write about her on a web site? Perhaps I digress.

My .02. Your mileage may (and probably should!) vary.

All the best,
- Rolex.

or having your room painted or driveway shoveled or legal work or taxes prepared or a skunk removed from your basement.

My point: it's a job that the girls choose and we support.

It's not underground, and dirty and secretive and lowly unless we bring it to the game. Frankly as I've said many times before and believe wholeheartedly...It's about us not them.

We are the ones not wanting our little "dark" secretes revealed to our family, friends, associates and neighbors and we constantly try to lay it off on the chicas and their miss deeds.

Really the porno industry grosses more dollars that all the Hollywood and Indie films combined.

We've all seen the porno sites and there are thousands of men and women allowing their faces and other body parts to be seen by any who chose.

Obviously, I am not promoting the posting of information which anyone doesn't want made public, but by no means is this a shameful or degrading activity if it's what you believe in...Especially in Costa Rica where it is legal.

Time to leave the Puritanical thinking back home and embrace the Pura Vida philosophy

Okay... who else wants nude pictures of CRBound, raise your hand?

This is exactly the type of behavior that we don't want to see our fellow CRT brothers doing. Just curious, what was your motivation for "immediately waiving her over"?? To get on her goodside, get some brownie points?

I know, I know, the girls of ZB know all about CRT, it was in good taste, I'm friends with her, blah blah blah. But that's besides the point. This board and all it's contents are not intended to make them smile or happy, this board is intended to share information among other "hobbyists" so that our collective experiences will improve.

Not trying to bust your balls, but it just struck me as the exact thing we are trying to avoid...sure harmless in this case, but opens the door for potentially some damaging leakage of information.

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To be fair here, All the girls at Zona Blue are VERY AWARE of the photos, the write-ups and the Tica of the Month and I do not think in this case anything was wrong.

Melanie specifically asked to be able to see the write up and the photos when completed, and believe it or not the ladies of ZB or 90% of them would love to be Tica of the month.

I can not tell you how many times I have beens asked as they know with exposure comes clients and money. Now ZB is the exception to the rule as they are all very aware of the website, the reviews and the pictures, but I just wanted to clear the air in this particular case.

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Since we all use phoney names-- I repeat my question:

Who the hell cares if they know about the board or not?


Are they going to find out about our secret decoder ring?

And if they find out that we know about the little games that they play... this will hurt our hobby.... how?

I agree...in most cases it doesn't matter. We have the cheese, and if they wanna play they will have to do it on our terms, or we will go elsewhere.

However, it does come into play when some of us are giving details about some of the providers that we still see on an ogoing basis. Because of the limited upside of sharing details/pics/etc, given the prospect of a gringo "waiving a girl over to the computer"...many of the more seasoned guys hold back on names, pics, etc. that could be of interest to other players.

Personally, I have gotten several great referrals from CRT board members, though it has always been through PMs.

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I personally feel that there are ways to post about your experiences in a gentlemanly manner that will communicate your message with other members, but still be respectful of the girl, should she see the review.

May I have my Admin card now?