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Author:  GetRhythm [ Thu Mar 17, 2005 2:40 pm ]
Post subject:  What makes a good wingman??
Looking for some easy vacation reads prior to my last trip, I picked up something called “The Guide to Picking Up Girls”, by Gabe Fischbarg. Not that anything like this is needed in Costa Rica of course, but thought it couldn’t hurt for operating back in the Gringa world, where, after all, I’m forced to spend most of my time. :(

Building on the recent thread about how we like to hunt, just thought I would relate a few tidbits from the book regarding the role of the wingman. A key concept in the book is the necessity to lay a good “rap” on the girl. In the BM, you don’t really need to bother with this, but many have commented previously on how taking the time to feel out the girl and get to know her a little can help weed out the “all business” types and get you a hotter session. Perhaps we could use some of this as a starting point for developing a “Wingman’s Guide” similar to the “Gentleman’s Code of Honor” recently posted by El Ciego. Here goes...

#1. Do not go out with more than one other guy or wingman. Three or more guys hanging out at a bar or club make for a more intimidating presence to a girl.

#2. Two guys on the loose laying rap make the best team. The reason for this is that two guys can hit on any number of girls together. For example, if there are four girls in a group, you and your wingman can talk to two of them while the other two girls can talk to each other. Four guys out together cannot hit on two girls.

#3. Your wingman must take the extra girl for you if there are two girls and you want to hit on one of them. The wingman must lay rap on your girl’s friend as long as you rap with your girl. It does not matter that the girl’s friend may be very ugly. The wingman must do his job at any cost. He must be able to pull his own weight and back you up. Otherwise, your girl may get pulled away by her friend whom your wingman has failed to entertain.

#4. Your wingman should monitor your rap. He should be prepared to help you if it looks like you are struggling (i.e., price negotiations?). He must make you look good in front of your girl. He should pump you up and make you look like a king, even while putting himself down if necessary.

#5. It may happen that the girl you like has a friend who does not like your wingman. This should not affect his role. He must keep talking to her and stall her as long as possible while you work your rap on her friend. The wingman must secure the privacy of your rap and prevent, as much as possible, any interruptions or distractions.

#6. At some point in your rap, you must buy your girl a drink. The wingman must buy his girl a drink too. You should pay the wingman back for his girl’s drink if he has “taken the grenade” (i.e., his girl is unavailable or unattractive). If his girl is cute, you do not need to reimburse him for his wingman’s expenses.

#7. In many situations, your rap is only as good as the wingman you are with. Indeed, a good wingman can make for a huge improvement in your evening. A bad one can ruin it. If your wingman says inappropriate and crazy things, it can’t help you.

#8. As mentioned above, a good wingman must be willing to “take the grenade”. In the military, a soldier will fall on a live grenade to save the rest of his buddies. While his friend talks to the pretty girl, a good wingman must be ready, willing, and able to take the grenade and talk to the angry girl, the fat girl, the ugly girl, etc.

#9. To be fair, you and your wingman should rotate taking the grenade. Keep track of who took the grenade the last time. But if one person’s rap happens to be on fire that night, he should not be forced to take the grenade. A good rap should not be kept bottled up.

#10. Sometimes, there will only be one girl and you and your wingman. As the “third wheel”, your wingman cannot hang around and be involved with your rap with your girl for more than a few minutes at the beginning. He must be able to step aside and let you rap away. He cannot blow your rap by interrupting your flow and one-on-one scenario.


Just a few additional comments. For me, a wingman is mandatory in a strip club. This may even be an exception to the “two guys only” rule, as often the more the merrier in this environment. A good wingman can be invaluable in the Blue Marlin as well. At the MP’s, it’s perfectly fine to go solo.
Author:  Romulus [ Thu Mar 17, 2005 5:01 pm ]
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Man, this post is GOLDEN!!

These are rules EVERY guy should live by, ESPECIALLY in the states.

I'm gonna email these to my buddies. We've been doing it all wrong. Every man for himself is NOT the way to operate because we all know women really do this to us all the time, especially the C*ck blockers who are fat and ugly or just jealous of the pretty friend getting all the attention.

I remember at a place I used to work a guy talking about his methods with his friends and this is exactly the way he described it.

Thanks for the post and info.

Just curious, why do you say that a wingman is a must at a strip club? Can you elaborate on that comment?
Author:  Coqui [ Thu Mar 17, 2005 5:12 pm ]
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I dont agree with the fact that you have to have one wingman, in my experience i think 3 is the lucky number. a third wingman can cool any misunderstandings withing the said hunting party and also there is one more person looking out for you. Like a trinity a 3rd wingman fills out the group nicely, its not that intimidating for a girl and you can play different roles. In on place you can be the shy one, one be the serious guy and the other the crazy cat. You can rotate this to your advantage place to place. Not to mention security is incresede with a number 3.
Author:  GetRhythm [ Thu Mar 17, 2005 5:35 pm ]
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Romulus,

First, thank for the complement on the post. With a strip club, there's always the stage show element involved. Going in alone for me would be somewhat akin to walking into a movie theatre by yourself. And more guys will invariably attract more chicas, which only adds to the fun.

Coqui,

Yes, I think three guys works fine in most situations. In addition to the "intimidation" factor already mentioned, the book advises only two for the following reasons:

1) Most girls go out in twos.
2) Many trendy bars and clubs will not let three guys in together unless they also have some girls in their group.

Of course, these factors aren't as relevant to the Costa Rica scene as they are to going out in the States.
Author:  Ruffnutz [ Thu Mar 17, 2005 5:48 pm ]
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Romulus wrote:
Every man for himself is NOT the way to operate because we all know women really do this to us all the time, especially the C*ck blockers who are fat and ugly or just jealous of the pretty friend getting all the attention.


Romulus, I'll tell you what... me and 3 very close buddies always do the exact OPPOSITE of "every man for himself", and we have always had a very good success rate with the chicas, even here in gringaland.

Regardless of the group size, this method works wonders. When we go out, we are all trying to hook each other up instead of competing against each other. When doing the "each man for himself", you only got one person on your team--- you. But if you are in a group of, say, 4 guys, then if everyone is helping each other out, you actually have 3 other people trying to help you out. You never have to try to introduce yourself to anyone as your boyz are doing it for you...this kills the "fear of rejection" factor altogether.

Another thing that makes this cool is that instead of you trying to tell a girl that you are a cool dude, she is instead hearing about how cool you are from someone else. Anyone who does any type of sales knows that a testimonial from a third party goes way much further than the salesman himself tooting his own product's proverbial horn.

All this is strictly for the initial "meet and greet" part of the matching game at a bar or club... once the other guy has broken the ice and placed you on a pedestal for you, it rides all on you to close the deal.

This requires some trust on who you call friends... we sometimes just feel like being assholes and start purposefully approaching fat and fugly chicks for the other guy, and in this kind of game, what's done to you is returned tenfold, so it can get ugly! (no pun intended).

Long-winded post made short, complimenting each other's game instead of competing with each other makes for MUCH better results, in my experience.

This wouldn't apply in CR, of course, as every girl in the bar is a sure-thing, provided you are paying the price...

Ruffnutz
Author:  Romulus [ Thu Mar 17, 2005 5:55 pm ]
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Ruffnutz

well said. You are right about what some people consider friends. Growing up in high school I hung out with some guys who were pretty cool but when we went clubbing they turned on each other (and me) and because of that I stopped talking to most of them.

I think for most guys its natural to be competing (maybe this is cultural in the US??) so to go out with the "Wingman" strategy is something different that requires strategy and practice and agreement among the friends.

I am going to try it with some new friends and see what happens. I'll post the results (good or bad) to test this new experiment.
Author:  Coqui [ Thu Mar 17, 2005 6:28 pm ]
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Romulus wrote:
Ruffnutz

well said. You are right about what some people consider friends. Growing up in high school I hung out with some guys who were pretty cool but when we went clubbing they turned on each other (and me) and because of that I stopped talking to most of them.

I think for most guys its natural to be competing (maybe this is cultural in the US??) so to go out with the "Wingman" strategy is something different that requires strategy and practice and agreement among the friends.

I am going to try it with some new friends and see what happens. I'll post the results (good or bad) to test this new experiment.


Number #1 factor and rule i have for a wingman is that we dont go for the same prey. Usually if we both like the girl one of us will score and inform the other if said girl is a good experience. If feelings or attachment start to show up the girl is hands off. After all there is usually so much to choose from that loosing one shouldnt matter. Most guys forget this and arguments and bad vibes show up.
Author:  SafaDino [ Thu Mar 17, 2005 7:00 pm ]
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Getrythm,

Thanks for sharing a very informative post on the "wingman's guide." BUT, am I understanding you correctly that you want to apply this wingman concept from a regular dating scene to the "P4P" scene?

IMHO, I would have a different guide set up for the "P4P" scene as I would rather not have my wingman subjected to this guide.

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#1. Do not go out with more than one other guy or wingman. Three or more guys hanging out at a bar or club make for a more intimidating presence to a girl.

#1 --Not applicable in BM..more fun for me with more guys to help me weed out the bad ones and get feed back on the good ones.

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#2. Two guys on the loose laying rap make the best team. The reason for this is that two guys can hit on any number of girls together. For example, if there are four girls in a group, you and your wingman can talk to two of them while the other two girls can talk to each other. Four guys out together cannot hit on two girls.

#2---makes no difference how many guys..they're working, we're paying for it. :lol:

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#3. Your wingman must take the extra girl for you if there are two girls and you want to hit on one of them. The wingman must lay rap on your girl’s friend as long as you rap with your girl. It does not matter that the girl’s friend may be very ugly. The wingman must do his job at any cost. He must be able to pull his own weight and back you up. Otherwise, your girl may get pulled away by her friend whom your wingman has failed to entertain.

#3 Definitely not. We both are paying for it . Your wingman should not suffer if he also is paying for it.



#4 some what applicable. Doesn't need to make you look good cause she only hear the price. :lol:

#5 So what if her friend doesn't like your wingman, my wingman can find someone else. He's paying. :roll:

#6 Hey...if my wingman doesn't like his girl, he shouldn't buy her a drink. again he's paying for it. :)

#7 If my wingman is getting crazy, I'd tell him to take a hike cause he suppose to watch my back so I don't get robbed. :roll:

#8 No way JOSE..if my wingman is paying for it he aen't gonna have to talk to the fat or ugly girl. :lol:

#9 Hey...we both paying for it, no one should take the ugly and fat girl. I can do that at home for free. :lol:

#10 A really truely good wingman knows that if his friend made the first move, then he should back off and let him alone and not get in the way. 8)

OK this is just to be humorous. But you can see why I think we are talking about 2 different types of wingman. :lol: :lol:
Author:  GetRhythm [ Thu Mar 17, 2005 7:26 pm ]
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Dino said:

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BUT, am I understanding you correctly that you want to apply this wingman concept from a regular dating scene to the "P4P" scene?


Actually, no. I tried to make clear at the beginning that I realize these are two different scenes, and that the concepts here were possibly just a starting point for a CR wingman's guide. But like Ruffnutz said, no matter the environment, you'll usually get better results by working cooperatively together rather than "every man for himself".

Say you're working on a hot chick in the Blue Marlin who's there with her less attractive friend. While you're feeling her out for compatibility, a good wingman should keep her friend occupied until you've closed the deal, even if it means buying her a drink (following rule #6, you would pay him back anyway). It's also kind of cool for a wingman to approach a girl you're interested in and tell her you'd like to meet her - this really impressed a BM girl on one occasion whom I ended up sessioning with.
Author:  Goal [ Thu Mar 17, 2005 8:46 pm ]
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Hey Man GREAT Post, "taken the grenade" LOL never heard that before but it is true....
Author:  JunFan [ Thu Mar 17, 2005 8:50 pm ]
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Well, these providers know that this isn't some frat party where they huddle up with their freshman buddies and find strength in numbers....This is business for them. They tend to get upset if some other girl scares off a prospective client.

Alot of those girls have friends to be sure, but they are out there looking out for #1.

But yes, there make be instances where a guy has to take the grenade for his buddy...but in the Del Rey, that could mean taking a lap around the bar to shake the dead wood.
Author:  GetRhythm [ Thu Mar 17, 2005 9:31 pm ]
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JunFan,

Actually, you have a point. Perhaps the best you can hope for from your wingman in the Del Rey is for him not to haul your chica up the elevator while you're off taking a piss.
Author:  LionKing [ Fri Mar 18, 2005 2:10 am ]
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GetRhythm,

Funny you should mention about going to the restroom and your wingman taking your girl. That is just what happen me. There was this very cute girl maybe 90lbs her looks 9-10 scale hanging around the delrey for hours, we had both talked to her and I had mentioned I would take her back to the hotel when I return, My loss, when he returned without her of course he said you snoose you loose. She said to him that she had to get home before her mom would get mad at her. This was 10 P.M. I did question her age but she said she was 19? Next time I will give him the grenade and run.
ZORO
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