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| Author: | MM3 [ Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Getting sporty in Venezuela |
The president of the National Assembly (which actually was democratically elected, then sidelined by Maduro), Juan Gerardo Guaidó Márquez (Juan Guaidó) has declared the results of the last presidential "election" void and, in accordance with the current Venezuelan constitution, assumed the office of President. Tens of thousands are marching in the streets (https://youtu.be/CT8OMejSa8M). While there are reports of National Guard units firing on protestors, the commanding general of the Venezuelan armed forces has come out saying the armed forces should support the people (the National Guard is basically the "Bolivarian" MVD as a check on the political loyalty of the armed forces). The US, Canada, Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay, Peru, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador and Costa Rica have recognized Guaidó as the interim President. Now, Ortega. |
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| Author: | 911 Driver [ Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Getting sporty in Venezuela |
Hope they avoid a bloodbath, it's the civies that will pay the price of independence, I'm sure Ortega will fight to the last drop. Regards, 911 Driver |
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| Author: | Devo [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Getting sporty in Venezuela |
The USA should just move in and restore the order. I am not a huge fan of occupying a sovereign country, but the people have suffered too much under Socialism (big surprise). Devo |
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| Author: | atx [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Getting sporty in Venezuela |
Devo wrote: The USA should just move in and restore the order. I am not a huge fan of occupying a sovereign country, but the people have suffered too much under Socialism (big surprise). Devo Maybe there's even a young Pinochet-type we could install as President. 
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| Author: | MM3 [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Getting sporty in Venezuela |
atx wrote: Devo wrote: The USA should just move in and restore the order. I am not a huge fan of occupying a sovereign country, but the people have suffered too much under Socialism (big surprise). Devo Maybe there's even a young Pinochet-type we could install as President. Pinochet's coup was neither desired or supported by the US. |
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| Author: | costareeker [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Getting sporty in Venezuela |
MM3 wrote: Pinochet's coup was neither desired or supported by the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_ ... hile_(1973–1990) Wikipedia has a different story. CostaReeker |
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| Author: | MM3 [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Getting sporty in Venezuela |
costareeker wrote: MM3 wrote: Pinochet's coup was neither desired or supported by the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_ ... hile_(1973–1990) Wikipedia has a different story. CostaReeker Wikipedia is a useful resource if (1) you are up-to-speed on a subject and need a quick memory refresh and (2) the article wasn't edited / written to promulgate a certain perspective. Pinochet is a boogieman to the progressives (there's another name I normally use) and Allende is their martyred hero. The objective fact truth, like the truth about the 1948 Costa Rican 'civil war' and the hero-founder of the Second Republic José María Hipólito Figueres Ferrer (Figueres) and the Calderonistas (President Teodoro Picado Michalski), is far more complex. And people remold these figures (especially Figueres) to meet their popular ideology. For example, Figueres is cast as a leftist progressive and the Calderonistas as fascists - when it was Figueres that had US support because he cast himself as the anti-communist because the Costa Rican communist party* supported Calderon and Picado. And Figueres' "revolution" resurrected and cemented the power of the oligarchs. And so it is with Pinochet. Yes, the US wanted Allende gone. Having another Cuba in South America was not seen as a good thing. And yes, the US supported Allende's opposition (Jorge Alessandri) in the 1970 election. But the Nixon Administration never sanctioned Chile and the CIA was unaware of the coup until just before it kicked off. Most apologists for Allende ignore the fact that Chile's Supreme Court had unanimously found the Allende government had violated the legality of the nation by ignoring the courts and the extrajudical actions of Allende's secret police. This was a constitutional crisis. Pinochet, who had been hand-picked by Allende because he was non-political, was devoted to the ideal of Chile's institutions. To Pinochet, as a patriot, he could not allow the conversion of the Chilean constitutional order into a communist dictatorship (which is where Chileans saw Allende going, as did Cuba and the USSR). Even Wikipedia, quoting and paraphrasing the Church Report (and the Church Committee is another bag of agenda worms) says: Quote: Although CIA did not instigate the coup that ended Allende's government on 11 September 1973, it was aware of coup-plotting by the military, had ongoing intelligence collection relationships with some plotters, and—because CIA did not discourage the takeover and had sought to instigate a coup in 1970—probably appeared to condone it. The report stated that the CIA "actively supported the military Junta after the overthrow of Allende but did not assist Pinochet to assume the Presidency." As to whether Pinochet was the savior of Chile or not, he voluntarily left power and pragmatically instituted economic and legal reforms to unfuck the country. And his free market economic reforms were pragmatic, because, like 99% of Latin American leaders, Pinochet had always been somewhat of a 'center left' guy by South American standards. And if you really deep dive into Figueres, the Costa Rican election of 1948, and the "civil war' or "revolution", you discover that Figueres set out to deliberately destabilize Costa Rica through actual political terrorism (assassinations, car bombs, instigated riots, etc.) to bring about a civil war / revolution that he'd been plotting and stockpiling arms for since the early '40s and that his supporters ("Democratic Action" made up of oligarchs) wanted to undo Calderon's reforms (the CCSS, the national university, and so on) because they viscerally hated that Calderon had done these reforms instead of them! *At this time the Costa RIcan communist party was actually estranged from Moscow as Manuel Mora basically told Stalin to take a piss and was 'independent'. The party supported Picado's government because they saw Figueres and his oligarchical supporters as trying to return the poor to their pre-Calderon position of political peonage, which is what happened. Just because Costa Rica is a socialist democracy doesn't mean it isn't an oligarchy run for the exclusive benefit of a few powerful families. |
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| Author: | Isra123 [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Getting sporty in Venezuela |
Interesting MM3. I always thought the CIA was involved in the plot to over throw Allende. I really do not know much of that history but I have one question. Why was a Spanish prosecuter trying to get him extridited from England to stand trial for various crimes against humanity or some such thing ? He was in London for medical reasons about 10 - 15 years ago I think. |
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| Author: | MM3 [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Getting sporty in Venezuela |
Isra123 wrote: Interesting MM3. I always thought the CIA was involved in the plot to over throw Allende. I really do not know much of that history but I have one question. Why was a Spanish prosecuter trying to get him extridited from England to stand trial for various crimes against humanity or some such thing ? He was in London for medical reasons about 10 - 15 years ago I think. The Spanish judge (Baltasar Garzón) issued an international warrant based on the concept of "universal jurisdiction - a globalist concept that the British Home Secretary basically used the excuse of Pinochet's health to avoid. Universal Jurisdiction is a dangerous concept. |
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| Author: | atx [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Getting sporty in Venezuela |
costareeker wrote: MM3 wrote: Pinochet's coup was neither desired or supported by the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_ ... hile_(1973–1990) Wikipedia has a different story. CostaReeker Perhaps what he means is the CIA has never admitted their role. Just like they never admitted importing cocaine into US to 'help' the Nicarauagan people. |
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| Author: | Devo [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Getting sporty in Venezuela |
atx wrote: costareeker wrote: MM3 wrote: Pinochet's coup was neither desired or supported by the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_ ... hile_(1973–1990) Wikipedia has a different story. CostaReeker Perhaps what he means is the CIA has never admitted their role. Just like they never admitted importing cocaine into US to 'help' the Nicarauagan people. As MM3 already mentioned, almost all of Latin America and Canada recognize Guaidó as president of Venezuela. This is hardly the second coming of Iran-Contra. |
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| Author: | Isra123 [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Getting sporty in Venezuela |
Another report on Pinochet. https://www.npr.org/templates/story/sto ... storyshare |
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| Author: | Gringotim [ Fri Jan 25, 2019 2:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Getting sporty in Venezuela |
I believe the only countries that continue to support Maduro are Cuba, Bolivia, and Russia. Hyperinflation in Venezuela...1,000,000% Isn't Socialism wonderful
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| Author: | Netgems [ Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Getting sporty in Venezuela |
Gringotim wrote: I believe the only countries that continue to support Maduro are Cuba, Bolivia, and Russia. Hyperinflation in Venezuela...1,000,000% Isn't Socialism wonderful China, Syria, Iran and Turkey are in on it as well, Maduro also has strong ties to Middle Eastern terrorists. Those individuals in the USA who advocate the wonders of socialism should be required to spend a year there, then report how magnificent the life is and continue staying there, I for one would contribute to their residency expenses... 
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| Author: | Hank Daman [ Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Getting sporty in Venezuela |
Why is it that the brainless right are the only one's who seem to not be able to lay off the politics in a mongering forum. Phuck. |
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