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There are no trends, the price will always be what is negotiated. To rely on trends or to think paying cien drives up prices is laughable. There are no rules, p4p is really an "us" thing so relying on anybody but yourself leaves you susceptible to having your focus on money and not on session quality.

Cujo

Cujo'S wrote:

well said Cujo....

I think this is the case at the Del Rey. Some guys (especially fluent in Spanish) are better than others at negotiating. But if the girls know that someone will pay cien, they have nothing to lose by refusing anything less.

I've only had one trip to San Jose, so I claim no expertise, I can only account for my own experience. I did my best at negotiating and out of probably 50+ chicas, only a few I was remotely interested in would've gone for less than cien if I asked them within 10 minutes of meeting them.

I found it worked better for me to focus on finding a girl I really liked and making sure we had good chemistry, rather than just interviewing them for services and price.

Another point not yet made, "Cut her away from the herd" ie; get her away from her friends and she's more likely to come off the "price". Ex. My buddies and I had a party in one of the LA Penthouses in January. 4 Colombianas were called in by my wings novia (also Colombiana). We were all having a great time when I noticed the girls leaving. My one buddy says that his girl wanted 300, another 250 for an hour, I start laughing and ask my girl what she wanted. She says that she usually gets 200 an hour but she'll go with me for 100 because she likes me. I offer her 80, she says she cant because what would her friends think. I offer her 100 for all night and she looks at her friend who shakes her head no. I say that it was nice to meet her, she asks me for 20 for cab fare. I ask if shes going to Medellin, she laughs, starts to leave, I call her back and give her 10 bucks, she gives me a kiss and off she goes.
I believe had I had her alone, we would have had a deal for cien TLN or at the worst, 80 for a few hours. When theyre in groups, they stand on price because they dont want to look bad or affect their friends negotiation. (very similar to us)

When guy's say i am young and good looking, but can't get why they have to pay cien for a delray hooker,perhaps it's because you think your shit don't stink,it's been that starting price for year's......

Author:	Jacoret [ Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:55 am ]
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So "sitting on Cien for an hour", would those of you who have recently visited CR say this is fast becomig the norm? I have never paid "cien" for an hour but am wondering if this is a change that is there to stay because from what i'm reading, it seems to be more common. "Cien" is for TLN and that is only on occassion, sometimes it is less. I'll be back in June for 10 days and am curious if everyone is experiencing this. I think perhaps limited Spanish for some guys makes it more difficult to strike a bargain or connection with the chicas, any thoughts on this? Thanks, Jac

Author:	Tinman [ Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:15 pm ]
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Just need to ask are you at the del rey??? most girls if you do pay a cien they are more open to a bbbj and with stay for two hours. There are so many new guys at the del rey ,that will pay a cien. and the girls know this now.. Just what it is there.. Only chance for better price at the del rey is afternoon girls or real late at 12 at night..

Author:	Cujo's [ Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:09 pm ]
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There are no trends, the price will always be what is negotiated. To rely on trends or to think paying cien drives up prices is laughable. There are no rules, p4p is really an "us" thing so relying on anybody but yourself leaves you susceptible to having your focus on money and not on session quality. Cujo

Author:	Tinman [ Sat Apr 16, 2011 6:53 pm ]
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Cujo'S wrote: There are no trends, the price will always be what is negotiated. To rely on trends or to think paying cien drives up prices is laughable. There are no rules, p4p is really an "us" thing so relying on anybody but yourself leaves you susceptible to having your focus on money and not on session quality. Cujo well said Cujo....

Author:	BlueDevil [ Sat Apr 16, 2011 7:35 pm ]
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More girls are asking for $100 because more guys are paying it.

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Author:	VinceThePrince [ Sat Apr 16, 2011 7:49 pm ]
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Tinman wrote: Cujo'S wrote: There are no trends, the price will always be what is negotiated. To rely on trends or to think paying cien drives up prices is laughable. There are no rules, p4p is really an "us" thing so relying on anybody but yourself leaves you susceptible to having your focus on money and not on session quality. Cujo well said Cujo.... I agree with Cujo that one's focus should be on having a good session and not on what he pays...however, I think what the OP is asking is whether the girls are more or less flexible on price because of the trend in what the buyers pay. In any market, if the seller thinks they can make a sale at asking price, they are not motivated to negotiate. I think this is the case at the Del Rey. Some guys (especially fluent in Spanish) are better than others at negotiating. But if the girls know that someone will pay cien, they have nothing to lose by refusing anything less. I've only had one trip to San Jose, so I claim no expertise, I can only account for my own experience. I did my best at negotiating and out of probably 50+ chicas, only a few I was remotely interested in would've gone for less than cien if I asked them within 10 minutes of meeting them. It gets real old negotiating with chica after chica, same interview, ad nauseum for hours. Makes for a lame night at the bar. I found it worked better for me to focus on finding a girl I really liked and making sure we had good chemistry, rather than just interviewing them for services and price. After spending an hour or two with them before bringing up price or service, they were willing to go with me for what I felt like giving them. In Pattaya, Thailand the regulars and expats bemoan the recent inflation in P4P rates. Recently Russian, European and Arab tourists have been pouring in by the thousands, so now the freelancers and go-gos on Walking St demand double the price they did 5 years ago - because that's what the new tourists pay. Simple economics. You can still find ST/LT at the "old" rates, but rarely if ever where the tourists go. The market price at HDR is cien as of April 2011. It is possible to pay less, but you need to be either very patient, experienced in negotiating and fluent in Spanish, OR you need to find a girl you can connect with first before making an offer. My skill set is more aligned with the latter, and I find much better success with charm than with savvy or persistence. YMMV. On a side note, I did meet one girl who offered BBBJ, massage, CFS and two hours for 30,000c. She was very sweet but a little heavyset and not what I go for physically. So maybe if you compromise on looks, you can find some action for less than cien. It's not really an option for me - if she's not hot, I'm not looking for her. -Vince

Author:	Jacoret [ Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:42 pm ]
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The reason I asked is, I was down in January and had a great time but I did run into a few girls who who not move off of cien only to make a round thru the bar and find someone as attractive or more so, who would go for 60.00. It seemed to me that it was becoming more frequent to ask cien or more in CR. My travels have recently taken me to Medellin and the women IMHO blow CR away on the whole in terms of GFE but I still love CR. Regarding session experience, personally, I wont enjoy it nearly as much if I feel as though its strictly a business transaction. ie; if a girl wants cien and I offer her 60, I expect her to meet me half way at 80. If she says no problem and we have a great time, she stays a while and seemingly enjoys our time together, she usually leaves with cien. If she begins to negotiate or explain why she needs cien, i'm turned off and will move on. Like VTP, I like connection, real or percieved, so if she throws out the "whatever you want to pay me is fine" line, she'll always be rewarded. Recently in MDE I was with a beautiful Paisa ("Pro") who blew me away. We partied, danced and at the nights end, while in the cab, I asked her how much she wanted to come back with me. she pondered this for about 5 seconds, looked me in the eye and said, "I'm with you because I want to be, I dont want anything", perfect response, we went back, fcked all night, 3 leches between the night and the next morning, breakfast and she told me she wanted to see me again and that she would meet me whenever, wherever I wanted. We took a cab back to the apt. I handed her 150k COP and said this is for the cab, she didnt look at it, said thank you and left. That was about 80 bucks for an entire night and morning. I ended up calling her on 2 other occassions, different days, she returned for several hours each time except this time I gave her 150K for the several hour session. Again, no look and a thank you. She is a smart business woman and played her hand perfectly and I am looking forward to my next MDE visit and seeing her. Does she like me? I think so. Does she like fckin me? I think so. Will I call her again and get more incredible sessions and will she make some money? I KNOW SO! I agree that YMMV and I have never had a bad trip to either CR, MDE, DR, Nicaragua or Panama, I was just curious as to whether or not CR was being overtaken with hard core professional chicas. Thanks for the input gentlemen. Pura Vida

Author:	Pacifica55 [ Sun Apr 17, 2011 1:15 am ]
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Quote: I think this is the case at the Del Rey. Some guys (especially fluent in Spanish) are better than others at negotiating. But if the girls know that someone will pay cien, they have nothing to lose by refusing anything less. If all mongers were the same this might be true. Fortunately, we aren't all the same to them and they have choices, too. Quote: I've only had one trip to San Jose, so I claim no expertise, I can only account for my own experience. I did my best at negotiating and out of probably 50+ chicas, only a few I was remotely interested in would've gone for less than cien if I asked them within 10 minutes of meeting them. Yep. It seems to work better when we plant seeds to harvest later. Build a little anticipation. Get off the price/service list and connect with the girl. Quote: I found it worked better for me to focus on finding a girl I really liked and making sure we had good chemistry, rather than just interviewing them for services and price. Bingo! Treat her like a real person and maybe she won't phuck you like a monger.

Author:	VinceThePrince [ Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:11 am ]
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Pac, with all that in mind, I think it would serve our first-timers better to focus less on the importance of negotiating and more on finding a girl you feel a connection with. All that I read on this forum before going on my trip made it seem like I would be a retarded dumbass to pay more than $60 for an hour with a Del Rey girl. This made me very price-conscious and made me feel like a failure my first night because I couldn't pull that off. I think finding a desirable girl for less than cien is tough for a newbie. I'm by no means new to P4P, and I'm still young and good-looking. The girls in HDR are hard-core mercenaries compared even to Thai girls. No one mentioned the importance of spending time with them before negotiating in any of the dozens of posts I've read until now. The advice on CRT is all about what you should pay for this and for that - valuable advice no doubt, but not all of us have been to the Gulch 30 times and speak fluent Spanish. The girls know when they've seen you before, they know when you've been to the Del Rey 197 times in the past 3 years. So unless they don't even want to deal with you, they know better than to tell you to fuck-off when you say $60. They know that's the mark and you know it. You can't expect noobs to get the same respect. During the course of my 6 nights in San Jose, my results improved dramatically. I know beyond a doubt my next trip will be even better. Experience is the best teacher...but I think we can give our newbies better advice by emphasizing finding the right girl for a good session over just beating the girls at the negotiation game. It's their vacation, not a real estate deal. And haggling with a girl over $20 is not fuckin sexy at all. Price guidelines should be just that - guidelines to aim for. Not constraints. Pura fuckin vida. -Vince

Author:	8ball [ Sun Apr 17, 2011 7:05 am ]
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Keep in mind that just like chicas lie about their age/weight/relationship status, etc, the guys lie about what they pay. As a general rule you can add 25-50% to what a guy says he paid on here. Furthermore, anyone who is bragging about how they talked a chica down from $x to $y is also bragging how he just got business phucked.

Author:	Jacoret [ Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:53 am ]
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Another point not yet made, "Cut her away from the herd" ie; get her away from her friends and she's more likely to come off the "price". Ex. My buddies and I had a party in one of the LA Penthouses in January. 4 Colombianas were called in by my wings novia (also Colombiana). We were all having a great time when I noticed the girls leaving. My one buddy says that his girl wanted 300, another 250 for an hour, I start laughing and ask my girl what she wanted. She says that she usually gets 200 an hour but she'll go with me for 100 because she likes me. I offer her 80, she says she cant because what would her friends think. I offer her 100 for all night and she looks at her friend who shakes her head no. I say that it was nice to meet her, she asks me for 20 for cab fare. I ask if shes going to Medellin, she laughs, starts to leave, I call her back and give her 10 bucks, she gives me a kiss and off she goes. I believe had I had her alone, we would have had a deal for cien TLN or at the worst, 80 for a few hours. When theyre in groups, they stand on price because they dont want to look bad or affect their friends negotiation. (very similar to us)

Author:	Cujo's [ Sun Apr 17, 2011 11:12 am ]
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I'd like to respond with the understanding that I don't have much of an opinion about prices etc.. I will say when confronted by a situation where a chica is in her "pack", instead of trying to pull her away (or worse) trying to strike a deal right then, why not simply go up and flirt some then simply walk away. Since your interest is now noted, at some point later she knows she has a reason to approach you. Doing this may risk her getting snatched up by another guy but no worries, if it happened that quick with him, he's gonna get a business fugged too.. Cujo

Author:	Firestorm [ Sun Apr 17, 2011 11:56 am ]
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Jacoret wrote: Another point not yet made, "Cut her away from the herd" ie; get her away from her friends and she's more likely to come off the "price". Ex. My buddies and I had a party in one of the LA Penthouses in January. 4 Colombianas were called in by my wings novia (also Colombiana). We were all having a great time when I noticed the girls leaving. My one buddy says that his girl wanted 300, another 250 for an hour, I start laughing and ask my girl what she wanted. She says that she usually gets 200 an hour but she'll go with me for 100 because she likes me. I offer her 80, she says she cant because what would her friends think. I offer her 100 for all night and she looks at her friend who shakes her head no. I say that it was nice to meet her, she asks me for 20 for cab fare. I ask if shes going to Medellin, she laughs, starts to leave, I call her back and give her 10 bucks, she gives me a kiss and off she goes. I believe had I had her alone, we would have had a deal for cien TLN or at the worst, 80 for a few hours. When theyre in groups, they stand on price because they dont want to look bad or affect their friends negotiation. (very similar to us) That's an excellent point! I'll be heading to CR for the first time in August. I've read in trip reports, the younger girls usually hang out in packs with their friends. Is it easy to separate them from the pack? I would think dealing with a girl in front her friends would be a huge disadvantage, as she may be less inclined to drop her price or do certain services that she would normally do if you negotiated with her alone. In past experiences with non pros, I've realized once you separate them from their friends, you get the real personality of the girl.

Author:	Osgood [ Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:00 pm ]
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When guy's say i am young and good looking, but can't get why they have to pay cien for a delray hooker,perhaps it's because you think your shit don't stink,it's been that starting price for year's......

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