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Immigration update for Perpetual tourists
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Author:  VegasBob [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:13 am ]
Post subject:  Immigration update for Perpetual tourists

A friend told me that he had a friend who went to Immigration because his Immigration stamp was 5 days past due. He was told that they couldn't stamp it for him only because he wasn't within the 90 days. IF HE WERE WITHIN THE 90 DAYS THEY WOULD HAVE STAMPED IT FOR HIM GIVING HIM ANOTHER 90 DAYS WITHOUT LEAVING CR FOR 3 DAYS. Does anyone out there have good info on this subject? I haven't seen anything published recently on the subject.

Author:  Thirdworld [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Immigration update for Perpetual tourists

I haven't read or heard of anyone actually having this done yet. But you bring up a great point. With the way things are now, DO NOT GO ANY OVER YOUR 90 DAY VISA! i I think they are still trying to figure out how to do the Visa extension from here.

Author:  Irish Drifter [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Immigration update for Perpetual tourists

Vegas Bob wrote:
A friend told me that he had a friend


Reminds of the old game where you start a sentence then whisper it in the ear of the person next to you. This continues around the room and at the end the sentence has no resemblance to what it was originally.

From what I have been told by those who have studied the new immigration law is that due to faulty language the provision of allowing an extension of a tourist visa upon the payment of a $100.00 fee and providing evidence of financial means to stay the additional period applies only to those whose initial visa was for a period of less then 90 days. This off course eliminates most U.S. citizens.

There is no doubt that immigration is taking a hard look at the "perpetual tourist" situation. I have a friend who travels to David Panama frequently. Frequently enough that the CR immigration officers know him and address him by first name. His last entry into CR the immigration officer told him he would give him 90 days this time but he could not do it again. Another friend was at the embassy and heard two women talking to a consular official. They have lived in CR for 15 years and own a house and cars here. They have never applied for residency. When they entered CR this time, at the airport, the immigration officer gave them a visa valid for 14 days.

I know of many who leave every 90 days and have not experienced any problems getting a 90 day visa when the come back but I also hear more and more credible reports of people getting 10, 15 or 30 day visas. It seems to depend a lot on the immigration officer so it is unpredictable.

Author:  BangBang57 [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 2:32 pm ]
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ID,

I too keep hearing ALL these stories of people having trouble at the borders and only getting 30 day visas. My Problem is (1) I have yet to have a problem, and just 2 weeks ago returned from David. They were not even asking people to see their ticket back out of the country, and 90 day visa-no problem! (2) I keep hearing all these stories of people having problems, but have yet to meet a single person who actually has had a problem. Every time it is "I heard from a friend of a friend" or it is someone like the people at ARCR (who profit from you using their service to aquire residency) telling me that "hundreds" of people are joining ARCR because they had a problem at the border. No names, no contacts for these "people", just ARCR telling everyone how bad and difficult it is now for perpetual tourists!! I have no problem with having to get residency if push comes to shove, but with the ever rising cost of living here and the reluctance of the CR government to do much about crime, their infrastructure, and inflation, being on a fixed income and living here is not as great as it use to be. I just hate to spend the money, then decide to pack up and move to Nicaland, Panama, Colombia, or Equador (all much much cheaper and more welcoming of foreigners) OH, and all with cheaper pu*sy!! :P :twisted: :roll: :wink:

Author:  Irish Drifter [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 3:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Immigration update for Perpetual tourists

BB57 as I stated I know many people who have experienced no problems.

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I know of many who leave every 90 days and have not experienced any problems getting a 90 day visa when the come back but I also hear more and more credible reports of people getting 10, 15 or 30 day visas. It seems to depend a lot on the immigration officer so it is unpredictable.


I also know of incidents where they did not get a 90 visa. It is seems to be totally at the discretion of the immigration agent and his mood at the time you get to his booth.

I have heard of many people joining ARCR but it is not because of problems at immigration getting a tourist visa valid for 90 days but rather because they are residents and now are required to join the CAJA. ARCR is a reasonably cheap and very easy solution to fulfilling that requirement.

As far as going to another country I personally would steer clear of Nicaragua with its unstable political climate and crime in Ecuador makes CR seems like the safest place in the world in comparison. :shock:

Author:  DiegoC [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 4:24 pm ]
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That has to be a perpetual nightmare.

Author:  Bktuna [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 4:55 pm ]
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I have seen two guys passports that got less than 90 day stamps and no reason was given.

BKTUNA/BOyd
I am never going home

Author:  CRGolfer [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:14 pm ]
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About two years ago I was given 15 days when entering atthe Liberia Airport, think it had something to do with staying for 14 or 15 months my first entry. Few months later I got residency even with an expired visa and La Nacional running a story withmy photo andtalking smack about my employer

Author:  BangBang57 [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Immigration update for Perpetual tourists

ID,

My statment about people joining ARCR because of problems at the borders and with their visas was a direct quote from one of the guys in their office!!

As for Nicaragua and Equador, How much time have you spent in either country??? yep, just what I thought. True Nicaragua is not the most stable country (politicaly speaking ), but it certainly is not the worst and there sure are a lot of gringos living there (many very happily). And as for Equador being dangerous?? It has almost 4 times the population of CR and 2 cities much larger than San Jose, so yes it will have more crime, just as NY, Chicago, LA, Miami, etc. have more crime than all of CR. And outside of those 2 cities in Equador, the crime rate seems to be very low and NO, even if I were to someday decide to relocate there, neither Quito nor Guayaquil would be my choise of where to live in Equador.

Hey, I love living in CR, but it is not the paradise it once was, nor that some people would like to make it out to be!!! There is no such place as the perfect paradise for everyone--every place, including the USA, has its draw backs and problems!

Author:  Irish Drifter [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Immigration update for Perpetual tourists

BangBang57 wrote:
ID,

My statment about people joining ARCR because of problems at the borders and with their visas was a direct quote from one of the guys in their office!!


We have dueling quotes from ARCR employees as one of them told me the increase was residents joing the CAJA.

BangBang57 wrote:

As for Nicaragua and Equador, How much time have you spent in either country??? yep, just what I thought.


A specious argument as I am sure you realize. You do not have to spend time in North Korea to know the government is dictatorial or in Cuba to know the government is communist.

One does not have to spend time in Nicaragua to know the government is politically unstable. It is becoming more of a dictatorship every day. Fraudulent elections, Supreme Court Justices who refuse to leave the bench when their term expires, Supreme Court ruling allowing Ortega to seek reelection which is specifically prohibited by the Constitution and can only be changed by the National Assembly who refused to do so. That is just a few of the things going on there now.

As to crime in Ecuador vs Costa Rica this is what the U.S. State Departmnt says about both countries.

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Ecuador.

SAFETY AND SECURITY: Crime in Ecuador continues to occur at a dramatically high rate and is often violent. American citizens have been victims of crimes, including but not limited to homicides, armed assaults, kidnappings, robberies, sexual assaults, and home invasions. American citizens have also been victims of violent crime on beaches, both at popular tourist destinations and in remote areas. Low rates of apprehension and conviction of criminals contribute to Ecuador’s high crime rate.
The U.S. Embassy in Quito advises caution when traveling to the northern border region of Ecuador, to include areas in the provinces of Sucumbios, Orellana, Carchi, northern Esmeraldas, and southern Esmeraldas, south of Atacames. U.S. government personnel are under strict limitations with respect to traveling alone and over-nighting in these areas due to the spread of organized crime, drug trafficking, small arms trafficking, and incursions by various Colombian terrorist organizations. In 2009, an American citizen was kidnapped and held for ransom near Ecuador's border with Colombia. At least 11 U.S. citizens are known to have been victims of kidnapping in this region over the past decade, including one U.S. citizen who was murdered by his kidnappers in January 2001.
Robbery of taxi passengers is a serious problem in the Guayaquil and Manta areas. Please see crime information below.

Political demonstrations occur frequently throughout Ecuador. Protesters often block city streets and rural highways, including major arteries such as the Pan American Highway. Public transportation is often disrupted during these events. Protesters may burn tires, throw rocks and Molotov cocktails, engage in destruction of property and detonate small improvised explosive devices during demonstrations. Police response may include water cannons and tear gas. U.S. citizens and U.S. affiliated interests are not usually targeted, but U.S. citizens are advised to avoid areas where demonstrations are in progress and to be prepared with back-up transportation plans. Although political demonstrations have not been directed at foreigners in the past, visitors are reminded that peaceful demonstrations can turn violent with little or no warning. Additionally, foreigners are prohibited from protesting in Ecuador and may be subject to arrest for participating in demonstrations of any kind. Please see the Embassy’s security and safety page, or the security and safety page of the U.S. Consulate in Guayaquil for the latest safety and security messages. U.S. citizens may also keep informed of daily happenings by following the local news and police reports.
Ecuadorian authorities may declare states of emergency in provinces and regions affected by civil unrest, natural disaster, or other disruptions. During states of emergency, authorities have expanded powers to restore order, including suspension of some constitutional rights, expanded detention powers, and imposition of curfews.
Radicals in various locations in Ecuador, including Quito, Guayaquil, and Cuenca, have occasionally placed small explosive devices that release political literature, known locally as pamphlet bombs. Targets have included local and international businesses and various Government of Ecuador buildings. Although no foreign tourists have been injured in these explosions, American citizens visiting or residing in Ecuador are urged to take common-sense precautions and avoid suspicious-looking packages.

Costa Rica.

SAFETY AND SECURITY: There have been no recent acts of terrorism in Costa Rica. Visitors to Costa Rica may experience the effects of civil disturbances such as work stoppages and strikes. Although infrequent, these acts can create inconveniences for visitors. On both the Caribbean and Pacific coasts currents are swift and dangerous, and there are few lifeguards or signs warning of dangerous beaches. Every year a number of American citizens drown in Costa Rica due to riptides or sudden drop-offs while in shallow water. Extreme caution is advised.
Adventure tourism is popular in Costa Rica, and many companies offer white-water rafting, bungee jumping, jungle canopy tours, SCUBA diving, and other outdoor attractions. Americans are urged to use caution in selecting adventure tourism companies. The Government of Costa Rica regulates and monitors the safety of these companies, and registered tourism companies with operating permits must meet safety standards and have insurance coverage. Nonetheless, be advised that safety regulations enforced in Costa Rica are not as stringent as safety regulations in the United States. The Costa Rican Tourism Institute (ICT) web site has contact information for licensed tour operators and travel agencies.


BangBang57 wrote:
Hey, I love living in CR, but it is not the paradise it once was, nor that some people would like to make it out to be!!! There is no such place as the perfect paradise for everyone--every place, including the USA, has its draw backs and problems!


Absolutely right on. My disagreement is not with you or anyone else moving on to another county I simply pointed out what I felt were two of the countries you listed as having significant problems. I did not mention anything about Panama or Colombia as I do not see them having the problems that exist in Nicaragua or Ecuador.

Author:  BangBang57 [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Immigration update for Perpetual tourists

My biggest problem with your quoting the US government concerning problems in other countries is that the USA determines a lot of what it says based on politics, not on fact. Per example: at the hight of the FARC in Colombia the US was saying it was extremely dangerous for Americans to even visit there and so much so that if you visited Colombia and had a problem, the US would do NOTHING to help you! Well I had a condo in the el Centro area of Bogota at that time and I never once felt any concern nor danger there, infact I felt safer there than in Huntsville, Al. even when walking the streets at midnight, somethng I would never do in Huntsville. My point is, what the US government says and what is fact is quite often not the same. That, as I said does not mean that I am not aware of the instability of the Nicaraguan government, just that I do not see it as being as bad as the US says it is.

Your quote of what the US State department says concerning Equador and CR is really hilarious IMHO! Virtually everything they say about Equador could be said about CR if it were not for the US trying to stay on the good side with CR in their battle with China for Costa Rician favoritism!!! And what they say about CR is a total "white wash" of the facts! Every word of the first paragraph on Equador fits CR to a T!!!! Again JMHO!!!

Author:  Thirdworld [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:28 pm ]
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I don't disagree strongly, but I do disagree on Nicaragua ID. Presidente Ortega owns several large hotels up there from what I have heard, and no matter what happens he doesn't want to rock the boat and do anything that would threaten tourism. Now having said that, I'm not sure I would advise putting large percentages of your money there, just in case. As for the visa, I don't know. I mix it up. I go to Nicaragua sometimes but go to the States 2 or 3 times a year too. Maybe the several week long trips look better than just doing the minimum 72 hour jump all the time. Also, I always arrive around 9 or 10 pm and they seem to be at the point of just getting the cattle through. And then I do my best to smooth through immigration. I always talk to them just enough to be polite, but not enough to be chatty. All in all, I have heard the immigration thing for some 11 years. I always used to freak out the first few years and friends would tell me tranquilo. Not saying it can't change, but right now I don't have the means to get residency. Might have a marriage option in the future. But for right now, I will just play by the rules and not go over my 90 days... :)

Author:  Irish Drifter [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:15 pm ]
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Thirdworld wrote:
I don't disagree strongly, but I do disagree on Nicaragua ID. Presidente Ortega owns several large hotels up there from what I have heard, and no matter what happens he doesn't want to rock the boat and do anything that would threaten tourism.


I really not sure what relevance his ownership of hotels, if true, has to do with his turning Nicaragua into a dictatorship. These are fact as you can verify by doing some research.

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Fraudulent elections, Supreme Court Justices who refuse to leave the bench when their term expires, Supreme Court ruling allowing Ortega to seek reelection which is specifically prohibited by the Constitution and can only be changed by the National Assembly who refused to do so. That is just a few of the things going on there now.


You might want to also try to find out where the millions of dollars that Venezuela has poured into Nicaragua that Ortega refuses to give an accounting for or even say where it is being used for the benefit off the citizens. Maybe it is buying hotels. :P :lol:

Author:  Irish Drifter [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:21 pm ]
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BB57. I will leave at we can agree to disagree. Your points leave me to believe that you are like the guy who drives 50,000 miles a year on what statistics have shown is the most dangerous highway in Alabama having an accident and fatality rate 12 times any other highway and saying hey nothing happened to me so those statistics are BS. :P :lol:

Author:  BangBang57 [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:25 pm ]
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Irish Drifter wrote:
BB57. I will leave at we can agree to disagree. Your points leave me to believe that you are like the guy who drives 50,000 miles a year on what statistics have shown is the most dangerous highway in Alabama having an accident and fatality rate 12 times any other highway and saying hey nothing happened to me so those statistics are BS. :P :lol:

ID, Your analogy is rather asinine and totally inaccurate! I base my assement on what I see when visiting there, what I hear from the people who live there- gringos and Nicaragurnses, and what I read in newspapers from there (not Nicotimes) and hear and see on the TV there. Same thing for when I was going to and spending a lot of time in Colombia!! As opposed to someone?? who bases their assessment on what they read from the highly politically influenced USA state department!!

But I totally agree with you on ONE thing! We can agree to disagree :!: :roll: :wink:

But I must make one more comment before closing--I found it interesting that you did not disagree with my assessment that everything the State Department had to say in the first paragraph about Equador could totally pertain to Costa Rica! I assume you agree with me on this!

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