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Author: | VegasBob [ Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:28 am ] |
Post subject: | Chinese influence on CR |
I rode by the new stadium in Sabanna yesterday and it got me thinking. I'm sure the Chinese Government didn't build this just because they love CR so much. I wonder if CR sold their sole to the Devil for a Stadium. Perhaps our resident historian (ID) could enlighten me, and everyone else here, if or when we will be overwelmed by more than their restaurants. These are the same Chinese who just announced that the are almost ready to reveal their new missiles that can wipe out our largest warships from 900 miles away. |
Author: | EsposoDeBarbie [ Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:35 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Chinese influence on CR |
VB: I grew up and worked in Silicon Valley, CA and have been immersed in every oriental race you can imagine. All I can say is, "You haven't seen nothin' yet" Side note: I had a chinese guy try to run me over with his food cart at the farmers market yesterday. I stayed cool until he then tried to run over Barbie. Trust me, it was time to show these Ticos that us gringos can play soccer to when I practiced my corner kick with his carrito. Almost got an applause from the locals and you know how easy-going I am... Pura Vida EdB |
Author: | Californicationdude [ Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:35 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Chinese influence on CR |
there is a direct correlation between the number of available cockroaches and potential new chinese restaurants....I suppose the cockroaches could start double shifts or something ![]() |
Author: | El Tranquilo [ Mon Aug 09, 2010 11:42 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Chinese influence on CR |
VB, The Chinese are participating in a joint venture expansion of Costa Rica's Oil Refinery in MoÃn and have recently negotiated a Free Trade Agreement with Costa Rica. The refinery project has had some legal setbacks regarding the constitutionality of CR participating in joint for-profit business ventures with foreign governments, but I believe they have been largely resolved. Both projects are a little bit grander than the new stadium or the proposed China Town. ![]() ![]() ![]() Here's an article on the refinery: Quote: Costa Rica, China eye $1 bln refinery deal Sat Feb 6, 2010 8:47am IST By Robert Campbell SAN JOSE Costa Rica (Reuters) - Costa Rica and China's top state oil company CNPC are hammering out the details of a planned refinery upgrade that could cost up to $1 billion, the head of Costa Rica's national oil company said. The project, which would triple the size of the Central American nation's only oil refinery by 2015, is likely to be approved by the two companies sometime in 2011 after further engineering studies are completed, Jose Desanti, the head of Costa Rican state oil refiner Recope, said on Friday. "We're just a few weeks from bringing (the joint venture) to life," Desanti told Reuters in an interview. "We think it will be 14 to 18 months to give the green light to start the project," he added. The deal with CNPC evolved out of conversations between the two companies when Costa Rica dropped its diplomatic recognition of Taiwan in favour of China in 2007. In return for the switch, Beijing has already made low interest loans to the Central American nation and is building a soccer stadium in the capital San Jose. Chinese oil companies have been expanding in the Americas as they seek to build up global businesses and secure new sources of supply for China's rapidly growing economy. CNPC has a long-standing interest in Venezuela and most recently Petrochina, a subsidiary of CNPC, took over a strategic oil storage terminal lease in the Netherlands Antilles. However, China's entry into Costa Rica's energy sector is unlikely to provide it with access to new reserves for the foreseeable future as public opinion in the environmentally conscious nation is strongly opposed to oil drilling. JOINT VENTURE Recope, which is Costa Rica's monopoly oil refiner and distributor, has wanted to expand its existing 20,000 barrels per day refinery for some time to reduce its reliance on oil product imports, but has lacked the financial strength to do so on its own alongside other projects. The refinery upgrade will be carried out by a 50-50 joint venture between Recope and CNPC that will then lease the plant back to Recope upon completion. The two sides hope to finance 70 percent of the cost of the upgrade. "From feasibility studies, we estimate a range of $800 million to $1 billion," said Desanti. Financing from the project is likely to be provided in part by China at "attractive terms," he added. The expansion plan comes as global refining margins have fallen sharply, forcing the closure of several refineries in the United States and elsewhere. Recope is confident refining margins will recover in the medium term, Desanti said. Recope is also working on a modernization of its terminal facilities in the Caribbean to allow it to receive tankers capable of carrying up to 80,000 tonnes of refined products. A new crude oil loading monobuoy is also being studied. http://in.reuters.com/article/idINIndia-45954920100206 Here's the Free Trade Agreement: Quote: China, Costa Rica ink free trade agreement (Xinhua) Updated: 2010-04-08 16:47 China and Costa Rica signed a Free Trade Agreement (FTA) in Beijing Thursday to remove trade barriers and enhance bilateral ties, the Ministry of Commerce announced in a statement on its website. The agreement was the first free-trade pact inked between China and a Central American country, and would help both sides tap into each other's market, as well as other markets in Asia and Central America, it said. The agreement was signed between Chinese Commerce Minister Chen Deming and his Costa Rican counterpart Marco Ruiz. The two sides hoped that the FTA could be implemented as early as the second half of this year. The two countries would gradually lift tariffs off more than 90 percent of products traded between them once the FTA took effect. The FTA also would open sectors for investment from the other side: 45 service sectors in Costa Rica, including telecommunications and real estate, and 7 sectors in China. The tax reduction would benefit the trading of Chinese products such as textile materials, light industrial goods and machineries, as well as coffee, beef and fruit juice from Costa Rica, it said. Costa Rica is now China's ninth largest trade partner in Latin America while China is Costa Rica's second largest trade partner. Bilateral trade between China and Costa Rica reached $3.18 billion in 2009, compared with $2.89 billion in 2008, according to statistics from Chinese customs. China and Costa Rica started the FTA talks in November 2008 and concluded the negotiations at their sixth round of talks in February this year. China also has FTAs with Chile, Pakistan, New Zealand, Singapore, Peru and the Association of Southeast Asian Nations. http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2010-04/08/content_9704164.htm |
Author: | Irish Drifter [ Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:02 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Chinese influence on CR |
The Chinese government is engaged in a campaign they call "One China". They want to bring, what they consider a breakaway province, Taiwan, back into the mainland fold. To this end they are trying to get the handful of remaining counties who recognize Taiwan to change their recognition to Mainland China. In 2007 the Costa Rica government changed from recognizing Taiwan to recognizing China. As a present (reward) for taking this action the Chinese donated the new stadium being built in Sabana Park. They also have purchased over $300 million CR government bonds, contributed $20 million for victims of natural disasters, increased a line of credit to Banco National and as El Tranquilo pointed out entered in an agreement to partner up with Recoupe to expand the oil refinery and a free trade agreement. Recently the Chinese Foreign minister visited CR. The government has requested Chinese funding for many projects including a 108 kilometer highway from the northern zone to Limon, as well other infrastructure and clean energy projects. Dollar diplomacy always has been and always will be practiced by the worlds economics powers. Like everything in life nothing is free so the question always is what do I have to do to get the cash? |
Author: | Mike321 [ Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:15 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Chinese influence on CR |
same question the chicas ask ![]() |
Author: | El Tranquilo [ Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:14 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Chinese influence on CR |
One other more direct Chinese spin off from the stadium construction is their involvement in at least one of the luxury high-rises going up around Parque Sabana. Although you would never guess it from their website, the Torres del Lago complex is a project of Chinafecc, a subsidiary of China's state-run Anhui Foreign Economic Construction Group. ![]() ![]() http://www.torresdelago.com/english.html |
Author: | Haywood Jablommi [ Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:02 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Chinese influence on CR |
" Free trade" has to be the balls-iest euphemism in international relations. |
Author: | Irish Drifter [ Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:14 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Chinese influence on CR |
El Tranquilo wrote: One other more direct Chinese spin off from the stadium construction is their involvement in at least one of the luxury high-rises going up around Parque Sabana. Although you would never guess it from their website, the Torres del Lago complex is a project of Chinafecc, a subsidiary of China's state-run Anhui Foreign Economic Construction Group. ![]() ![]() http://www.torresdelago.com/english.html There has been some controversy about that project. The stadium is being constructed by a 100% Chinese labor force. The materials for construction, except for sand, gravel and cement has been imported from China duty free. The Chinese construction firm Chinafecc building the condo project have allegedly used some of those duty free supplies supposedly brought in for the stadium. Additionally they tried to get visas for 300 Chinese construction workers. That has been stopped, at least temporarily, by the CR labor minister who maintains that there are sufficient Ticos who can do the work. |
Author: | Thirdworld [ Mon Aug 09, 2010 6:23 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Chinese influence on CR |
haha It will take 100 Ticos to equal the work of 10 Chinos.... Is there an actual China Town of sorts established yet? I wouldn't mind checking around to find some roots and herbs if there is something like a Chinese bodega. |
Author: | Irish Drifter [ Mon Aug 09, 2010 6:52 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Chinese influence on CR |
Thirdworld wrote: haha It will take 100 Ticos to equal the work of 10 Chinos.... Is there an actual China Town of sorts established yet? I wouldn't mind checking around to find some roots and herbs if there is something like a Chinese bodega. No China Town is not established yet. However it is planned for an area that has some Chinese merchants in the area now. On Calle 3 just north of avenida 10 there is a Chinese market called Super Sony. They have a large selection of Chinese foods but not sure about the selection of roots and herbs. |
Author: | Thirdworld [ Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:40 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Chinese influence on CR |
Thanks ID, I will check it out the next time I'm up that way. I'm sure they can point me in the right direction if they don't have what I'm looking for.... |
Author: | JazzboCR [ Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:45 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Chinese influence on CR |
What the mainland Chinese are doing in Latin America, they are doing equally strenuously in Africa, in pursuit of the "One China" policy Brother ID mentioned, and eventual world dominance. The Chinese businesses if not outright owned by the Government or The Army, have their policies directed by and their ambitions subsidized by those 2 entities. Even the private businesses have time-lines in the decades--as much as it takes, as long as it takes. And there's nobody they won't do business with--no external moral constrictions for them. |
Author: | Pochi [ Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:50 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Chinese influence on CR |
The morality part is what's so worrysome. The US will slowly (not for a long time but...) get edged out by China as the second-coming superpower. Now, the US is doing the same thing to expand our sphere of influence, especially in the middle east now. This is just part of the power play. |
Author: | Irish Drifter [ Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:46 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Chinese influence on CR |
Pochi wrote: The morality part is what's so worrysome. The US will slowly (not for a long time but...) get edged out by China as the second-coming superpower. Now, the US is doing the same thing to expand our sphere of influence, especially in the middle east now. This is just part of the power play. "Now, the US is doing the same thing to expand our sphere of influence," Now ![]() ![]() The U.S. has practiced $$$ diplomacy around the world for eons. ![]() |
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